Well, I don't blame her for wanting to die. She's a woman. The women in that country are treated like crap and have abosolutely NO RIGHTS whatsoever.
SP33Demon
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HowardStern,
If you truly believe that their lives are worth less than ours, then you can go back into the hole you came from. What if your parents adopted one of them, would you not treat him/her as your sibling? Or would you kill the afghan sibling? I'm curious, it's people like you who should be in the Middle East with the rest of those crazy suicide bombers if you think our lives are worth "more". :| Sad, yet pathetic at the same time.
Easy to hide behind a computer screen, but I bet you wouldn't tell your parents how you think over dinner tonight. Cowardice.
If you truly believe that their lives are worth less than ours, then you can go back into the hole you came from. What if your parents adopted one of them, would you not treat him/her as your sibling? Or would you kill the afghan sibling? I'm curious, it's people like you who should be in the Middle East with the rest of those crazy suicide bombers if you think our lives are worth "more". :| Sad, yet pathetic at the same time.
Easy to hide behind a computer screen, but I bet you wouldn't tell your parents how you think over dinner tonight. Cowardice.
The main problem now is Pakistian not wanting U.S. ground troops (Another problem is Pakistan supports terrorism) We are at War with Terrorism not Afganistan. The plight of the people in Afganistan is considerable.
And I agree we wont get Ben Laden from the cockpit of some F-15E mud mover. I'm upset that where dealing with terriorsts to get THIS one madman ben Ladens family owns alot of $hit here. Fine lets sieze his assets here ('cause Dad gotta be sending his son warbucks) we gotta have a sit down with Suadi Arabia also this is Bull$hit that they turn a blind eye to this crap.There complicite in this! Sudan Cuba Libiaand esp. Iran why are we talking to them!!!!!! They support three terrorist groups!!!
We are now already comprimised in our mission We need to crack down on Terrorist cells in this country!! We need unfortunately to be able to spy on so called U.S. citizens. We need to greatly increase security in subways and water filtration plants!
This is war on Terrorism! Were gonna step on toes we can't pussy foot around because oil is involved
And I agree we wont get Ben Laden from the cockpit of some F-15E mud mover. I'm upset that where dealing with terriorsts to get THIS one madman ben Ladens family owns alot of $hit here. Fine lets sieze his assets here ('cause Dad gotta be sending his son warbucks) we gotta have a sit down with Suadi Arabia also this is Bull$hit that they turn a blind eye to this crap.There complicite in this! Sudan Cuba Libiaand esp. Iran why are we talking to them!!!!!! They support three terrorist groups!!!
We are now already comprimised in our mission We need to crack down on Terrorist cells in this country!! We need unfortunately to be able to spy on so called U.S. citizens. We need to greatly increase security in subways and water filtration plants!
This is war on Terrorism! Were gonna step on toes we can't pussy foot around because oil is involved
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I'm upset that where dealing with terriorsts to get THIS one madman ben Ladens family owns alot of $hit here. Fine lets sieze his assets here ('cause Dad gotta be sending his son warbucks) we gotta have a sit down with Suadi Arabia also this is Bull$hit that they turn a blind eye to this crap.There complicite in this! Sudan Cuba Libiaand esp. Iran why are we talking to them!!!!!! They support three terrorist groups!!!
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No, bin Ladens family is not involved, they have condemned his actions and they have distanced themselves from him.
How did you bring Cuba in to this? You can't blame all countries who happen to have different form of government! and besides, USA has also supported terrorists in the past (Nicaraqua anyone?).
Your statements are the exact same as saying that we should let all criminals out of jail since keeping them there just makes them mad; or saying that unless we just open our doors and let the world come and take what it wants out of us, that we are pissing them off and because of that, they are justified in their attacks.
<< am simply trying to show compassion for innocent people. >>
Are you on a higher road than everyone else? what a simple statement. There is no moral person alive that could believe otherwise.
Should we have your Touchy Feelie attitude and wait for the Germ warfare or a Nuke in your town to wake you up? Then you might get a better understanding on what is about to take place. It is going to take place.
Have you ever heard of a middle eastern country with ANY concerns of terrorism. They are carriers, they don't contract the disease.
You need to get this through your head: the only thing the U.S. could do that would satisfy the majority of the muslim world is to fire 150 50 megaton nuclear weapons at all major U.S. cities. It is our way of life they hate, the fact that we are all free and have the ability to annilate anyone we choose. Essentially, it is a criminal form of jealosy. Your totally stupid idea that it is our own underlying ideology that is the cause of this just blows my mind.
All these people, ALL of them hate Israel. They are worse than Hitler. They want every Jew Dead. Sudan, Yassar AraFLAT, Egypt, the Saudies, ALL these people want Jews to die. All of them. Israel is a friend of the USA. We stand by the rule an attack on our friend is an attack on us.
It is now us or them, who should it be?
War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the
crueler it is the sooner it will be over.
--William Tecumseh Sherman--
And who thinks they have the right to tell someone to STFU? Big shot?
<< am simply trying to show compassion for innocent people. >>
Are you on a higher road than everyone else? what a simple statement. There is no moral person alive that could believe otherwise.
Should we have your Touchy Feelie attitude and wait for the Germ warfare or a Nuke in your town to wake you up? Then you might get a better understanding on what is about to take place. It is going to take place.
Have you ever heard of a middle eastern country with ANY concerns of terrorism. They are carriers, they don't contract the disease.
You need to get this through your head: the only thing the U.S. could do that would satisfy the majority of the muslim world is to fire 150 50 megaton nuclear weapons at all major U.S. cities. It is our way of life they hate, the fact that we are all free and have the ability to annilate anyone we choose. Essentially, it is a criminal form of jealosy. Your totally stupid idea that it is our own underlying ideology that is the cause of this just blows my mind.
All these people, ALL of them hate Israel. They are worse than Hitler. They want every Jew Dead. Sudan, Yassar AraFLAT, Egypt, the Saudies, ALL these people want Jews to die. All of them. Israel is a friend of the USA. We stand by the rule an attack on our friend is an attack on us.
It is now us or them, who should it be?
War is cruelty. There's no use trying to reform it, the
crueler it is the sooner it will be over.
--William Tecumseh Sherman--
And who thinks they have the right to tell someone to STFU? Big shot?
StageLeft
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Howard Stern
Just as I suspected. These Afghans live miserable lives and we will be doing them a favor by anihillating them.
Your comments continue to provide us with solid evidence of your mental lethargy.
Yes! When you breed like rabbits like they do in thrild world countries it does cheapen human life.
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Overpopulation is a problem (worldwide). We are getting a bit off topic here. Afghanistan has about 25 million people in it. Almost all of them are destitute.
This mean that the loss of a child to a family of 10 is worth less than loss of a child to a family of 2? According to your blatant disrespect for intelligent thought this would indicate that the US with a population of 10X that is worth less, per person, than Afghanistan.
If I were running a country I would not allow overpopulation to exist. Yes, the more of something that there is, the less it's worth. Doesn't matter if it's widgets or people. Just simple economics.
You are now officially the biggest fvcking idiot on these boards, bar none. Seemingly oblivious to public opinion you continue to sh*t out of your mouth. You'd really do well to cease typing, although at this point I wonder if its possible for you to save any face at all as your stupidity has pervaded so many of the threads here.
Just as I suspected. These Afghans live miserable lives and we will be doing them a favor by anihillating them.
Your comments continue to provide us with solid evidence of your mental lethargy.
Yes! When you breed like rabbits like they do in thrild world countries it does cheapen human life.
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Overpopulation is a problem (worldwide). We are getting a bit off topic here. Afghanistan has about 25 million people in it. Almost all of them are destitute.
This mean that the loss of a child to a family of 10 is worth less than loss of a child to a family of 2? According to your blatant disrespect for intelligent thought this would indicate that the US with a population of 10X that is worth less, per person, than Afghanistan.
If I were running a country I would not allow overpopulation to exist. Yes, the more of something that there is, the less it's worth. Doesn't matter if it's widgets or people. Just simple economics.
You are now officially the biggest fvcking idiot on these boards, bar none. Seemingly oblivious to public opinion you continue to sh*t out of your mouth. You'd really do well to cease typing, although at this point I wonder if its possible for you to save any face at all as your stupidity has pervaded so many of the threads here.
There is no desire on my part to hurt innocent civilians. In fact, I am also viewing this as an opportunity to liberate the Afghani's. However, after the Taliban's defiant statement of defense in SUPPORT of bin Laden, I will not allow the fact that innocents may be killed sway me from my resolve to see justice and see that this never happens again.
I saw on MSNBC that the Taliban is now officially saying it will DEFEND bin Laden. Man these guys are dumber than hell. Do they not know they will soon be buzzard food? Well, it doesn't matter; the Taliban is supporting bin Laden's terrorist activities, and now they need to go.
I saw on MSNBC that the Taliban is now officially saying it will DEFEND bin Laden. Man these guys are dumber than hell. Do they not know they will soon be buzzard food? Well, it doesn't matter; the Taliban is supporting bin Laden's terrorist activities, and now they need to go.
Afghanistan has been in a war for a long time. First they were resisting the USSR invasion. When that was over an extreme faction the Taliban took over their government. Their is still a group of Afghanis resisting them meaning they are involved in a civil war. No country of the world including the US would be in good shape under that situation.
The situation is analogous to that of Germany after WWI. The poor conditions there are what led to Hitler being able to come to power.
I will apologize for the stfu. It was distressing to see that someone would advocate annihilating people just because they are poor and starving and their government is made up of religious fanatics.
What should we do?
Remove the Taliban and bin Laden and any other terrorists. Try our best to make this a war on terrorism with other countries being involved. Try to reduce any collateral damage with the full realization that in war innocents may die. Help the people of Afghanistan to set up a new government. Help them rebuild their country as we did Germany and Japan.
The situation is analogous to that of Germany after WWI. The poor conditions there are what led to Hitler being able to come to power.
I will apologize for the stfu. It was distressing to see that someone would advocate annihilating people just because they are poor and starving and their government is made up of religious fanatics.
What should we do?
Remove the Taliban and bin Laden and any other terrorists. Try our best to make this a war on terrorism with other countries being involved. Try to reduce any collateral damage with the full realization that in war innocents may die. Help the people of Afghanistan to set up a new government. Help them rebuild their country as we did Germany and Japan.
Triumph, I don't think he is saying anything of the sort. However, I will say this: WE DID NOT START THIS. I think his statements should be read as this:
While I do not wish to see innocents killed, we cannot let this act of violence go unanswered. We now have a duty to rid the earth of these cowards, and in action to do so, some innocents might get killed. That is unfortunate, but unavoidable.
While I do not wish to see innocents killed, we cannot let this act of violence go unanswered. We now have a duty to rid the earth of these cowards, and in action to do so, some innocents might get killed. That is unfortunate, but unavoidable.
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There is no desire on my part to hurt innocent civilians. In fact, I am also viewing this as an opportunity to liberate the Afghani's. However, after the Taliban's defiant statement of defense in SUPPORT of bin Laden, I will not allow the fact that innocents may be killed sway me from my resolve to see justice and see that this never happens again.
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So, go after bin Laden and the Taleban! But just remember that Taleban != Afgani people. Afgani people are being held hostage by that gang of thugs that call themselves the Taleban! Afgani people don't hate USA, in fact, I bet that they would welcome you as liberators! That's why is imperative to work with the Northern Alliance on this matter! Together with them you could liberate that country, afganis would welcome you!
Nobody would blame you if you wiped bin Laden and the Taleban off the face of the earth. But you would get some flak from international community if you started killing afgani civilians!
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Regardless what you say in these posts the bottom line is if afghanistan leaders or it's people don't bring forward Bin Laden and his people then they shall pay with their lives. While we are at it we should get that jack off Sadam too.. He isn't done with the US yet either.
Have seen this?
Koran 59.2: He it is Who caused those who disbelieved of the followers of the Book to go forth from their homes at the first banishment you did not think that they would go forth, while they were certain that their fortresses would defend them against Allah; but Allah came to them whence they did not expect, and cast terror into their hearts; they demolished their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers; therefore take a lesson, O you who have eyes!
Koran.003
3.151: We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
Koran.005
5.33: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
"....Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush...." (Sura 9:5)
"When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them...." (Sura 47:4)
"....Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the Last Day, and who forbid not what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden....until they pay tribute..." (Sura 9:29)
"Say to the infidels: If they desist, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." (Sura 8:39)
"Proclaim a grievious penalty to those who reject faith." (Sura 9:3).
"I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." (Sura 8.12)
"Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away... strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy... rouse the faithful to arms!" (Sura 8:59)
Koran 59.2: He it is Who caused those who disbelieved of the followers of the Book to go forth from their homes at the first banishment you did not think that they would go forth, while they were certain that their fortresses would defend them against Allah; but Allah came to them whence they did not expect, and cast terror into their hearts; they demolished their houses with their own hands and the hands of the believers; therefore take a lesson, O you who have eyes!
Koran.003
3.151: We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they set up with Allah that for which He has sent down no authority, and their abode is the fire, and evil is the abode of the unjust.
Koran.005
5.33: The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His apostle and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement,
"....Kill those who join other gods with Allah wherever you find them; besiege them, seize them, lay in wait for them with every kind of ambush...." (Sura 9:5)
"When you encounter the unbelievers, strike off their heads, until ye have made a great slaughter among them...." (Sura 47:4)
"....Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in Allah, or in the Last Day, and who forbid not what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden....until they pay tribute..." (Sura 9:29)
"Say to the infidels: If they desist, what is now past shall be forgiven them; but if they return, they have already before them the doom of the ancients! Fight then against them till strife be at an end, and the religion be all of it Allah's." (Sura 8:39)
"Proclaim a grievious penalty to those who reject faith." (Sura 9:3).
"I will instill terror into the hearts of the unbelievers: Smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." (Sura 8.12)
"Let not the unbelievers think they will ever get away... strike terror into the enemy of God and your enemy... rouse the faithful to arms!" (Sura 8:59)
>>>While we are at it we should get that jack off Sadam too.. He isn't done with the US yet either. <<<
Uh, I would take bets Saddam is in the mix,and will be a target. He, and therefor Iraq, have openly supported terrorism and specifically Osama bin Laden. There is little doubt a paper trail is already established, by bank records or in country documents. IO think taking Iraq on would give Saudia Arabia a reason to support the US. I do not believe there is any love lost between Iraq and the Saudies.
We have bases there (in Saudia Arabia) and the militent parts of the Arab region have long memories. The posturing of the Taliban reverberates within all other militant factions and they may have already selected Saudia Arabia for a target, just for its past support of the US.
This is just an opinion.
Uh, I would take bets Saddam is in the mix,and will be a target. He, and therefor Iraq, have openly supported terrorism and specifically Osama bin Laden. There is little doubt a paper trail is already established, by bank records or in country documents. IO think taking Iraq on would give Saudia Arabia a reason to support the US. I do not believe there is any love lost between Iraq and the Saudies.
We have bases there (in Saudia Arabia) and the militent parts of the Arab region have long memories. The posturing of the Taliban reverberates within all other militant factions and they may have already selected Saudia Arabia for a target, just for its past support of the US.
This is just an opinion.
umm, have you guys maybe considered that bin laden would not just be sitting there thinking he's safe and sound? if i were him, i'd be running around into other countries... as i would get my ass bombed to hell and back or else....
Our enemy is not a any specific people of any specific nation.
It is the terrorists, and governments and people that harbor\aid\whatever them. Some are from Afghanistan, some are from Iraq, some are from Iran, some are from Egypt, some are from Palestine, etc...
It is the terrorists, and governments and people that harbor\aid\whatever them. Some are from Afghanistan, some are from Iraq, some are from Iran, some are from Egypt, some are from Palestine, etc...
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<< veryape WTF?
I fully understand what happend on 9/11 don't ever question thar. I have at least 3 friends who I have not heard from yet!!
I am simply trying to show compassion for innocent people. What is so bad about trying to show compassion for INNOCENT Afghans? >>
All the innocent need to RAVAGE their government then and fix it, have their own revolution, then fix the problem that they shelter Terrorists, if there is a terrorist in the US we weed em out and nail em, they need to do the same. >>
yea, well, its kinda hard to ravage a government when you're underfed and malnourished and are armed with dust while the small opposition is armed with machine guns and bombs...
yea, well, its kinda hard to ravage a government when you're underfed and malnourished and are armed with dust while the small opposition is armed with machine guns and bombs...
Thankyou for making my point, I doubt the US military is just going to bomb the hell out of every city, if we invade we can take that POS government and change it around to be better,,, Remember when we did that for WW2 with Germany
Thankyou for making my point, I doubt the US military is just going to bomb the hell out of every city, if we invade we can take that POS government and change it around to be better,,, Remember when we did that for WW2 with Germany
Nemesis-
I am gonna give you the benefit of the doubt this morning and assume you read my statement wrong.
I went to church this morning, and much of my rage (NOT my resolve) has been squelched.
What would you have us do? Allow these guys to continually attack us? If we do not act, that is EXACTLY what will happen. Our founding fathers did not fight for freedom from a tyranical government just to let later generations get blown up by extremists who claim to be Muslims.
I find it ironic that the Muslim religion (forgive my terminology if it is incorrect) forbids the comsumption of alcohol, and yet there were 2 of these guys down in Florida boozing it up every night. Doesn't sound to religion-centered to me. These guys are not acting out of religious belief, they are acting out of pure evil and hatred of Freedom.
I am gonna give you the benefit of the doubt this morning and assume you read my statement wrong.
I went to church this morning, and much of my rage (NOT my resolve) has been squelched. What would you have us do? Allow these guys to continually attack us? If we do not act, that is EXACTLY what will happen. Our founding fathers did not fight for freedom from a tyranical government just to let later generations get blown up by extremists who claim to be Muslims.
I find it ironic that the Muslim religion (forgive my terminology if it is incorrect) forbids the comsumption of alcohol, and yet there were 2 of these guys down in Florida boozing it up every night. Doesn't sound to religion-centered to me. These guys are not acting out of religious belief, they are acting out of pure evil and hatred of Freedom.
Afronaut,
Using anything out of context can stir up a lot of thoughts, next time when you quote the Quran, make sure its in context. also, Islam is a in every essence of the word a peaceful religion that proclaims peace..the acts were not in line with any thing to do with islam other then the people twising the logic. In Islam, a murder of one innocent person is as if that murderer murdered the entire mankind, from adam till judgement..thats the punishment, there is no reward to as what you quoted.
Using anything out of context can stir up a lot of thoughts, next time when you quote the Quran, make sure its in context. also, Islam is a in every essence of the word a peaceful religion that proclaims peace..the acts were not in line with any thing to do with islam other then the people twising the logic. In Islam, a murder of one innocent person is as if that murderer murdered the entire mankind, from adam till judgement..thats the punishment, there is no reward to as what you quoted.
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What would you have us do? Allow these guys to continually attack us? If we do not act, that is EXACTLY what will happen. Our founding fathers did not fight for freedom from a tyranical government just to let later generations get blown up by extremists who claim to be Muslims.
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No, I never said that you should just "turn the other cheek". I want you to hit the terrorists and hit them hard! Make them pay! That's what I want you to do! And if Taleban starts causing problems while carrying out that justified task, hit them as well. But you should NOT attack the people of Afganistan! Taleban is NOT the same as afgani people! That is something you should not forget. People of Afganistan are propably the biggest victims in this case. Even bigger victims than those who died in WTC. They are the ones who are caught in the middle. On the other hand they have the Taleban bullying them. On the other hand they have to wait in fear how the west retaliates. They are afraid and they have been suffering way too long, it's about time they are liberated!
Since land combat is a necessity in order to get real results, you should work with the Northern Alliance. afgans want them to return to power, they are the legitimie rulers of Afganistan. While afgan would propably resent being occupied by US Forces, they would NOT resent if the "occupiers" were their government.
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I find it ironic that the Muslim religion (forgive my terminology if it is incorrect) forbids the comsumption of alcohol, and yet there were 2 of these guys down in Florida boozing it up every night. Doesn't sound to religion-centered to me.
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So? Christianity is a religion of compassion and tolerance, but you can't find any of those characteristics in Jerry Falliwell for example, and he calls himself a christian.
<< Have seen this? >>
So? the Bible is full of similar quotes. God ordering his believers in to killing babies, torturing enemies etc. So what's your point?
And I don't think that muslims think that christians and jews and unbelievers. If I remember correctly, Koran says that they "Are of the word". Meaning that they are believers and they must not be hurt.
<< Just as I suspected. These Afghans live miserable lives and we will be doing them a favor by anihillating them. >>
You should also run for president.
frysInsider thankyou for posting such a poignant statement.
Some may never understand, and just take it as offense that showing compassion to innocents is just insulting their sense of Justice, but rest assured there are those of us who understand.
To attack, threaten, antagonize or destroy innocent afghan civilians is no better than what the terrorists did. I hope The U. S. President can execute some form of retaliation that does not involve spilling innocent blood.
Some may never understand, and just take it as offense that showing compassion to innocents is just insulting their sense of Justice, but rest assured there are those of us who understand.
To attack, threaten, antagonize or destroy innocent afghan civilians is no better than what the terrorists did. I hope The U. S. President can execute some form of retaliation that does not involve spilling innocent blood.
Call me heartless, but I couldn't give a damn about any of those Afganastan people or whoever the hell they are. They kill innoccent people who worked at the World Trade Center, we come back and do the same. Of course, the innocent people should just suffer a less painful death than those of their government leaders.
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