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wetech said:
Currrent brawl is infuriating with the pure RNG aspect. In one match, opponent gets Tirion, Ysera, and V'oljin; I get a magma rager.
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Yeah, but it is also fun. There are also 3-4 decent classes to use this week (Shaman, Warlock, Paladin and Mage). The last few weeks, there was clearly 1 class better than the others. With the random factor of this, it is up to the class skill and spells to make the difference. Those 4 classes all have things which will make them really well suite for this meta.

My favorite moment so far has been a Warlock spell (forget the one, but if it kills the minion it summons a random demon) and it summoned Lord Jaraxx 😀
 
HumblePie said:
One disturbing trend though I've noticed lately is the hackers playing. I know of a couple hacking app that allow you to see your opponents cards and I can tell the use is starting to get a bit more prevalent. One good example I had the other night. I was playing a hunter and I have Mukla on my deck for shits and grins. With coin I got him out turn 2 on an empty board against my opponent. I also happened to have an ironbeak owl in my hand to silence whatever minion the opponent tries to banana. So what happens? No bananas. Even when the opponent cleared the board, was left with 1 attacking minion and PLENTY of mana to toss on two banana's to deal extra damage to me the person doesn't. It goes on for 7 or 8 turns like that until I was finally forced to use my ironbeak on something else. I was being stubborn about not using it until he toss out the fruit on something. Soon as I did he plops down both bananas even if it would have won him the game earlier had he done so. With that bizarre game play behavior I knew he was playing around my cards, and that wasn't the only instance in the game, just the major one I remembered.
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Any decent player who KNOWS you have a silence in your hand is far more likely to use those bananas as soon as possible in an attempt to bait out your silence, not hold on to them until you've silenced something far more dangerous. The fact that you think he was holding his bananas in fear of your owl is only proof that you aren't very good, not that he was cheating. Or maybe he was cheating and he's not very good either. Still, it's hardly proof.
 
Well, it is possible that he didn't play anything else worthy of the silence either. I mean, we are talking a hunter which doesn't get a ton of buff cards and has only 3 class specific cards that deserve a silence (with one of them situational).
 
HumblePie said:
The current brawl being pure RNG based frustrated the crap out of me last night. took almost 20 games before I even got my first win. I get annoying crap like wisps and millhouse manastone as my portal cards while my opponents were getting opening things like Troggzor. Getting Troggzor out on turn 2 is basically a free win with this current brawl setup. Getting Millhouse Manastone is basically a loss. I tried another 10-15 more brawls after that first 20 and won 2 more before just blowing it off.
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If it takes you that many games to get a win, I really doubt it's bad RNG, I think you just need to improve your play. Even if you get millhouse, why would you ever play it? I've got it twice now this brawl, I just held him until I had a safe time to play him. One game I had to keep that card in the whole game.

HumblePie said:
One disturbing trend though I've noticed lately is the hackers playing. I know of a couple hacking app that allow you to see your opponents cards and I can tell the use is starting to get a bit more prevalent.
So I looked up to see what cheats/hacks may be out there, found one, tried it, and saw how it worked.
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There are NO hacks for hearthstone. All the processing is done server side, so unless you've managed to hack their servers, it's impossible you can see opponent's cards.
 
Vivendi said:
There are NO hacks for hearthstone. All the processing is done server side, so unless you've managed to hack their servers, it's impossible you can see opponent's cards.
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I whole-heartedly, strongly, disagree. I know for a fact that I have seen on my android games, times where I can see what cards the opposing player has received for the initial card draw (before he discards). That means the data is being sent to both clients.
 
Fallen Kell said:
I whole-heartedly, strongly, disagree. I know for a fact that I have seen on my android games, times where I can see what cards the opposing player has received for the initial card draw (before he discards). That means the data is being sent to both clients.
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No.. Hearthstone doesn't send opponent deck info. There is however a graphical glitch in the phone app which shows random cards.
 
Fallen Kell said:
Well, it is possible that he didn't play anything else worthy of the silence either. I mean, we are talking a hunter which doesn't get a ton of buff cards and has only 3 class specific cards that deserve a silence (with one of them situational).
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I took his post to mean that he was playing AS a hunter, not that his opponent was a hunter. I really don't think it matters though, even hunters have plenty of silence targets - knife juggler, two of the three animal companions are worth silencing (Misha is a bit situational to silence, but it can be worth it sometimes), savannah highmane, mad scientist, piloted shredder are all common cards in hunter decks, and most players run two of each. That's at least 8-10 possible targets that I would silence over a minion with +2/+2 on it any day. Hell I'd even consider silencing a webspinner so long as I could kill it with another minion I already have on board (i.e. its not just gonna trade 1 for 1 into my owl next turn).
 
Fallen Kell said:
I whole-heartedly, strongly, disagree. I know for a fact that I have seen on my android games, times where I can see what cards the opposing player has received for the initial card draw (before he discards). That means the data is being sent to both clients.
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HumblePie has a habit of exaggerating in this thread, so I'm certainly not taking his word for it when he says he found one.

The only possible way to know what cards are in the other players hand though would be if the data is being sent to both clients. There is no mechanic I can think of in the game that is based in any way off the contents of the other players hand or un-drawn cards. I can't think of one single reason Blizzard would send the info to both clients, and it would be the most bizarre oversight I've seen in a LONG time if nobody at Blizzard had figured out in the last 3+ years (including development time here) how easy it would be for someone to make an exploit to take advantage of it.

In short, show me the proof.
 
AgentUnknown said:
So when gvg came out did people buy 50 packs at a time and get a card back? I came to hs when black.rock came
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No. The pre-order exclusive cardback only started with blackrock adventure. The GvG cardback was released as a normal one at the end of the month.
 
HumblePie said:
So I looked up to see what cheats/hacks may be out there, found one, tried it, and saw how it worked. Bleh retarded to play that way.
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You claim to have actually used that cheat, implying it exists, and that it works.
Care to post a video showing it in action? (blur/erase your battle.net username)
 
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Vivendi said:
If it takes you that many games to get a win, I really doubt it's bad RNG, I think you just need to improve your play. Even if you get millhouse, why would you ever play it? I've got it twice now this brawl, I just held him until I had a safe time to play him. One game I had to keep that card in the whole game.



There are NO hacks for hearthstone. All the processing is done server side, so unless you've managed to hack their servers, it's impossible you can see opponent's cards.
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Uh to both accounts no.

For the first I was getting stuff like wisps, magma ragers, target dummies, and the occasion decent minion like a chillwind yeti or along those lines for many games while my opponents were dropping turn 2 or 3 Troggzors, Dr. Booms, and other major game winning minions in early rounds that are basically impossible to deal with in the current brawl mode setup.

As for the second, if it makes feel better at night to keep telling yourself that then go ahead. People claimed the same thing for League of Legends and other games like that for years while the cheaters had a field day. Even to this day many people still believe people cheat in that game or how prevalent it is. Oh and I downloaded and USED the cheat for hearthstone. It works. But keep thinking there is nothing out there.

A bit of digging as to how the hack works it's a hack to the hash algorithm of the seed for what is randomized in the deck draw. The initial hash is sent to both players if not the exact card info. The hash has been deciphered and the hack app just decodes what the opponent is going to draw as he draws it. This is how the game stays on "sync without massive latency delays in bandwith.

So the answer is both yes and no to card info being sent to both players. It's an initialized random hash of the cards for each deck and draw order.
 
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I don't think anyone is looking for links. But screenshots, at a minimum, would be nice. As is, you're basically claiming that Blizzard are completely incompetent morons based on how you say the hack works. Which is not inconceivable, but warrants requests for evidence.

And regardless, holding onto bananas because your opponent has a silence would be terrible play. Getting your opponent to blow a silence on a banana is a pretty clear win.
 
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ewdotson said:
I don't think anyone is looking for links. But screenshots, at a minimum, would be nice. As is, you're basically claiming that Blizzard are completely incompetent morons based on how you say the hack works. Which is not inconceivable, but warrants requests for evidence.

And regardless, holding onto bananas because your opponent has a silence would be terrible play. Getting your opponent to blow a silence on a banana is a pretty clear win.
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It's not that they are incompetent morons at all. Every online game ever made has been hacked. Just the way it is.
 
HumblePie said:
It's not that they are incompetent morons at all. Every online game ever made has been hacked. Just the way it is.
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Yet you still haven't posted a shred of evidence supporting your claims. Not asking for the hack itself, just post some pics or preferably a video. Why are you unable to do this unless, you're just making this stuff up.
 
HumblePie said:
It's not that they are incompetent morons at all. Every online game ever made has been hacked. Just the way it is.
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I'm sorry, I must not have been clear. I wasn't intending to say they were morons for being hacked. I was saying they'd be morons for sharing the information with the clients that would be required for your purported hack to work. Basically, I can't think of a good reason for a player's client to have any information at all about the contents of the other player's deck beyond the number of cards remaining in it.
 
Any thoughts on the cards revealed so far?

http://hearthstoneplayers.com/list-grand-tournament-cards/

I don't see any must have cards yet. The 3 cost 3/4 legendaries that do something when you target them with a spell (one gains divine shield, the other deals 3 damage to a random enemy) seem a good fit in a priest deck (power world shield, velen's chosen) but I don't think too many decks use spell buffs. They would be more interesting if their effects triggered when and opponent targeted them with a spell (although gaining divine shield would make the card op). The legendary that adds a random spell to your hand when you use your hero power should also be good.

Garrison commander (2 mana 2/3 that allows you to use your hero power twice in a turn) might be decent. No other neutrals jump out at me.

Class specific I like the mage's fallen hero (2 mana 2/3 where your hero power deals one extra damage) although I don't know what happens if another class gets the card (such as with a cabal shadow priest). Holy champion for the priest seems solid (4 mana 3/5 that gains two attack whenever a character is healed). Shaman a lot of card have been revealed but I don't think a totem tribal deck is going to be effective. Warlock is the only class specific legendary revealed a 6 mana 4/4 that reduces the cost of the cards you draw using your hero power to zero. That seems to be really good.
 
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