Wow, you really believe it when you tell yourself that?
They want to see their culture murdered? They want to have others' will forced upon them?
They want to see their culture murdered? They want to have others' will forced upon them?Heh.............................
Well, I'm sorry this thread went this direction so soon. I appologize for helping contribute to that.
I think it's great that people go outside of their comfort zone and go overseas to help people, even though it may be due to a religious calling. I've been to Mexico and seen people in destitute. In fact, I came from a Third World country and have lived it. I feel that I can do more good helping those people than the homeless people in the US, simply because there are a lot more opportunities here to improve yourselves.
I am glad you have such insight into the minds of people you do not know, but please don't make these harsh allegations now, in this thread. I'm just asking you for a little courtesy right now, that's all.
You've made your point, Gurck, alright?
Anyways, to everyone else, this thread quickly degraded into something it was not intended to be. I'm a little emotional frayed atm because of this, so I probably shouldn't post anymore right now because I don't want to get upset at anyone.
I'll keep everyone updated on what develops, if anyone would like to know. Thank you very much for your sympathy.
Welllllll.....Originally posted by: Gurck
Wow, you really believe it when you tell yourself that?
Ugh, this should be a whole 'nother thread.
You have to understand that they're "simpler" people than we are. Most of them are going to be uneducated.
Hope is a very powerful thing, and sometimes ANY hope is good....... It's only when you take [the religion] to extremes, and you get the fundamentalist wackos...... that's when you've got problems.
It's true, that you can have hope without belief in a diety, though.. It just seems to help to make the hope larger than life, lol.
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Wow you do not get out much. If I were to be poor and destitute I would pray that it was in America. Have you ever seen a 7 year old children digging through a pile of burning rubbish trying to find the smallest piece of plastic. They then try to sell that twice picked through trash for a little money for thier families. Third world poverty is no comparison to poverty here in the U.S.
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Haiti is 3rd world poor and most have no idea the kind of desperation they go through there. I'm sorry that this happened, but he's also lucky he's not dead and that no one was kidnapped. That's the real blessing.
For those ripping on missionaries in 3rd world countries, yes they proselytize but usually support local people in tremendously beneficial ways that go far beyond starting churches, including orphanages, teaching to grow crops, building houses or buildings, and education and so on.
I'd guess those who are ripping this probably haven't done sh!t to help people like this ever in their lives, so stfu please. And if they have, then stfu anyways because they wouldn't be there if local people didn't want them.
For those ripping on missionaries in 3rd world countries, yes they proselytize but usually support local people in tremendously beneficial ways that go far beyond starting churches, including orphanages, teaching to grow crops, building houses or buildings, and education and so on.
I'd guess those who are ripping this probably haven't done sh!t to help people like this ever in their lives, so stfu please. And if they have, then stfu anyways because they wouldn't be there if local people didn't want them.
Thanks for the information, and to think, all this time I thought people who dig through trash looking for a scrap of food, live in used cardboard appliace boxes (if lucky) and stuff their clothes with newspaper to keep warm were doing it because they had no choice, I didn't realize it was a compulsory sport. I stand corrected. Could you link me to a local club website for the NYC area please?
Back off a little dude. They're right.
Think of it this way...
What are these... appliance... boxes.. you speak of?
Newspapers?
Even the poorest of the poor here in the States have it better off than they do. This is a result of our excess.
We throw enough sh!t away for them to live. There is hardly such a thing as a starving man, woman or child here in the US. You could walk down any park avenue and find enough food in the garbage to eat like a king. Seriously.
It just isn't like that there.
Ouch, hard to argue with a good "stfu"; it's such a mature & levelheaded thing to say in a discussion...
But I'll try anyway
Missionaries use peoples' poverty as leverage to build their religion. They're using people as you would a tool. If they really wanted to help they'd do so while encouraging local culture to flourish. Btw shouldn't you be in a third world country "helping" rather than arguing about it on the internet?
It's sad(I keep saying that, why is it sad exactly?...) but I have to agree.Originally posted by: Gurck
Ouch, hard to argue with a good "stfu"; it's such a mature & levelheaded thing to say in a discussion...
But I'll try anyway
There are alterior motives. That doesen't completely negate the good being done, but it sure does put a nasty dent in it.
If you've read the Bible, which you probably haven't, you'd find that Christianity is based on the selflessness you've condoned earlier. It's not based on a systematic shoving of itself down people's throats or in forcing their will on others.
Are you as pissed off at fast food chains for forcing their burgers on people, using people's hunger as leverage to launch their corporate enterprises? They're using people as you would a tool... much more so than some missionaries and relief efforts programs that really are trying to help people.
And I think it's ridiculous that you're going to use your assumption of what people's motives were to remain unsympathetic to their physical persecution. I'm not muslim, and I think followers of Islam are wrong, but if people beat them up and left them on the side of the road, I'd still feel sorry for them. Nobody's asking you to accept Christianity in this thread... all they're doing is sharing a story about how some family friends who were trying to help people in a foreign country got beaten and robbed, and you feel a need to say something stupid like, "Well, serves them right... pushing their faith on other people..."
Don't breed.
Are you as pissed off at fast food chains for forcing their burgers on people, using people's hunger as leverage to launch their corporate enterprises? They're using people as you would a tool... much more so than some missionaries and relief efforts programs that really are trying to help people.
And I think it's ridiculous that you're going to use your assumption of what people's motives were to remain unsympathetic to their physical persecution. I'm not muslim, and I think followers of Islam are wrong, but if people beat them up and left them on the side of the road, I'd still feel sorry for them. Nobody's asking you to accept Christianity in this thread... all they're doing is sharing a story about how some family friends who were trying to help people in a foreign country got beaten and robbed, and you feel a need to say something stupid like, "Well, serves them right... pushing their faith on other people..."
Don't breed.
What christianity is based on and what it has become are two vastly different things, and your fast food analogy is a bad one in a number of ways. The OP wasn't merely sharing a sad story, he was begging for money - the moderator edited that out
And I never said it serves them right, though I'm not surprised you feel the need to lie about what someone said as justification for flaming them for not agreeing with you Sage advice on breeding though, I greatly hope you follow it.I shouldn't forward this to my brother who just left for Indonesia yesterday. It might scare him.
Maybe I'm overly pragmatic, but putting ideas into impressionable children is insignificant compared to feeding, clothing, and sheltering them.
Originally posted by: Gurck
What christianity is based on and what it has become are two vastly different things, and your fast food analogy is a bad one in a number of ways. The OP wasn't merely sharing a sad story, he was begging for money - the moderator edited that out
Sorry if I misunderstood you, but I think your misunderstanding of christianity is greater, and you've been using your misunderstanding to flame in every thread you've been able to. You can't use people who present christianity poorly as an accurate reflection of the belief. And you don't know how these people are presenting christianity, so why are you coming in here arguing that they're shoving it down people's throats? That's a bigger crime than me "lying" about what someone said, and I too am not surprised. If I could follow my advice about you not breeding, believe me, I would. Maybe you didn't use those exact words, but it's the attitude you're conveying, and I find it heartless.
Exactly, and that is exactly why some of us have a problem with this.
Absolutely.
Well, for the record.. I didn't say it.
I've been the one trying to defend some other points... But in that strict sense, I completely agree with Gurck....If you want to help people, that's great. Teach them how to grow crops, find them homes, educate them, help them build buildings.. You don't need [religion] to do that. The topic of religion has nothing to do with those things.
But it doesen't matter. These people were doing good things, that's all that should matter I guess. He's right, it's more than most of us can say for ourselves. They're risking their lives and spending their money to help people. They're doing something they believe in, even though we may not agree with it all aspects of it. That deserves respect.
How many lives could we change if we all decided to help one person today? A smile instead of a frown?
It matters...
Originally posted by: Gurck
What christianity is based on and what it has become are two vastly different things, and your fast food analogy is a bad one in a number of ways. The OP wasn't merely sharing a sad story, he was begging for money - the moderator edited that out
after reading the post i thought, - where is the part where the OP links to a donation link of some sort - i feel bad for thinking this, but i just see it so often that its an automatic response now. i was quite suprise not seeing one. but after reading your post....i feel back to the same o me again. hah
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