Heads-up! *Don't get AT&T Broadband*

NOX

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<< AT&T Broadband says no to NAT

by Toni Kistner, Network World Fusion (US)

In the first deal of its kind, AT&T Broadband announced a partnership with Linksys last week to offer home networking gear as part of its US$45-per-month cable service. AT&T Broadband customers choose from among designated Linksys wired and wireless gear offered at its site, then pay AT&T Broadband $4.95 per month to network two computers and an additional $4.95 per month for each additional PC.

What's wrong with this picture? Forget that customers have to pay full price for the Linksys hardware. Why should anyone pay a monthly fee to network when network address translation (NAT) lets you do it for free?

NAT distributes an IP (Internet Protocol) address to each device on the network. Hook up a NAT router or residential gateway to your cable or DSL (digital subscriber line) modem and voila, you're sharing the connection. Another benefit of NAT is that it allows only one IP address to be visible to the outside world. Hiding your LAN behind the router adds a layer of security and also hides your PCs from your service provider.

But what early adopters see as a benefit, AT&T Broadband sees as an inhibitor to the wide-scale adoption of home networks. It's gunning to serve the 22 million or so two-PC households -- consumers it expects will need a lot of handholding. That's why AT&T Broadband is offering the Linksys gear -- a wireless access point, and Ethernet hub or switch -- that doesn't include NAT. Instead, AT&T Broadband is doling out the IP addresses on these home networks via its DHCP (Dynamic Host Configuration Protocol) servers and charging $4.95 per month to do so.

AT&T Broadband's product director Scott Russell argues that consumers need good technical support and removing NAT is the only way to remote troubleshoot individual PCs on the LAN. "We don't support NAT boxes," Russell says. "Sometimes, we ask customers to disable the NAT box. If they do, we often find the problem, and find that problem is the NAT box."

Any strategy that improves customer support and removes barriers to home networking deserves consideration, even at a cost of $5 or $10 more per month. But there's probably more going on here. By taking NAT out of the picture, AT&T Broadband gains device-level access to customers' PCs and maintains a level of control over users' systems that could encroach on their privacy.

"Giving AT&T access to my PC sounds somewhat daunting to me, unless they're going to provide virus scan or firewall protection, and perhaps notify me of virus alerts or advice on how to save hard drive space," says Kurt Sherf, analyst at Parks Associates and author of "E-Home 2001," a report examining consumers' receptiveness to buying Internet services.

Sherf's report finds that many more broadband-connected homes are interested in buying firewall services (61 percent) than home networking services (47 percent). Currently, AT&T Broadband recommends customers download Zone Labs' Zone Alarm and provides a link on its Web site. It does expect to offer value-add services down the road though, as the market matures, Russell says.

Mike Wolf, Cahners In-Stat/MDR analyst and author of "Speed! Understand and Installing Home Networks", sees things another way: "The [cable providers] still believe they can charge per IP address. Part of it stems from concerns over neighborhood bandwidth. They want control, and they want to be compensated."
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Not sure if this was posted, but it looks to be more then just a NAT issue.

Opps forgot link :).
 

Thegonagle

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Screw them. They don't need to support NAT routers, but if I can support it myself, then I should be able to. I'm glad I have Road Runner. I just hope they're never allowed to merge. I can see it happening though.
 

tm37

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<< ? all broadband services don't like nat:p >>



When I singed up for DSL with Hickory Tech I asked about Home neworking and they SUGGESTED THE ROUTER!

I already had it but charter wanted me to get TWO STATIC IP's
 

NOX

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My isp likes NAT. In fact, they suggested to my father which brand router to get when he signed up with the same isp as I.
 

pyonir

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<---boycott's anything AT&T. would rather use 56k for life than use AT&T
 

NOX

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I just completed a network, which consisted of about 13 computers for this non-profit organization. The Director of the program had some other guy setting everything up at first then the guy left the project before all the hardware had come in (DSL Modem, Hub/Switch etc?). So he asked me if I wouldn?t mind setting up the network for the program. They singed up with Verizon for just one static IP. When the package from Verizon arrived it included the ADSL modem, a 3com hub, cat5 cables, and to my surprise a Linksys router!

I had everything installed in a day, the router made it simple. They pay about $45 a month for the business account.
 

NikPreviousAcct

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<< Screw them. They don't need to support NAT routers, but if I can support it myself, then I should be able to. I'm glad I have Road Runner. I just hope they're never allowed to merge. I can see it happening though. >>

Dude.... Roadrunner is an AT&T market... we 0wnz j00.
 

Michael

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I fail to see what the issue with AT&T is. That's the same arrangement that @Home had. They charged extra for every computer you had linked up (a unique IP address per computer) and the user agreement says that you can only link up one computer per network. Anyone who wants to ignores it and uses NAT.

Michael
 

erub

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nothing to see here folks..they are just offering to support and rent you the hardware...