"He just f---s California," says one Enron employee. "He steals money from California to the tune of about a million."

dahunan

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Enron Traders Caught On Tape

LOS ANGELES, June 1, 2004



Enron Scammers On Tape


ENRON'S INTERNAL MEMOS
The Federal Energy Regulatory Commission released two Enron memos describing company plans to inflate energy prices during California's energy crisis of 2000.
The practices were considered so outrageous, that an attorney with the California Public Utilities Commission dubbed them a "smoking gun memo."


(CBS) When a forest fire shut down a major transmission line into California, cutting power supplies and raising prices, Enron energy traders celebrated, CBS News Correspondent Vince Gonzales reports.

"Burn, baby, burn. That's a beautiful thing," a trader sang about the massive fire.

Four years after California's disastrous experiment with energy deregulation, Enron energy traders can be heard ? on audiotapes obtained by CBS News ? gloating and praising each other as they helped bring on, and cash-in on, the Western power crisis.

"He just f---s California," says one Enron employee. "He steals money from California to the tune of about a million."

"Will you rephrase that?" asks a second employee.

"OK, he, um, he arbitrages the California market to the tune of a million bucks or two a day," replies the first.

The tapes, from Enron's West Coast trading desk, also confirm what CBS reported years ago: that in secret deals with power producers, traders deliberately drove up prices by ordering power plants shut down.

"If you took down the steamer, how long would it take to get it back up?" an Enron worker is heard saying.

"Oh, it's not something you want to just be turning on and off every hour. Let's put it that way," another says.

"Well, why don't you just go ahead and shut her down."

Officials with the Snohomish Public Utility District near Seattle received the tapes from the Justice Department.

"This is the evidence we've all been waiting for. This proves they manipulated the market," said Eric Christensen, a spokesman for the utility.

That utility, like many others, is trying to get its money back from Enron.

"They're f------g taking all the money back from you guys?" complains an Enron employee on the tapes. "All the money you guys stole from those poor grandmothers in California?"

"Yeah, grandma Millie, man"

"Yeah, now she wants her f------g money back for all the power you've charged right up, jammed right up her a------ for f------g $250 a megawatt hour."

And the tapes appear to link top Enron officials Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling to schemes that fueled the crisis.

"Government Affairs has to prove how valuable it is to Ken Lay and Jeff Skilling," says one trader.

"Ok."

"Do you know when you started over-scheduling load and making buckets of money on that?

Before the 2000 election, Enron employees pondered the possibilities of a Bush win.

"It'd be great. I'd love to see Ken Lay Secretary of Energy," says one Enron worker.

That didn't happen, but they were sure President Bush would fight any limits on sky-high energy prices.

"When this election comes Bush will f------g whack this s--t, man. He won't play this price-cap b------t."

Crude, but true.

"We will not take any action that makes California's problems worse and that's why I oppose price caps," said Mr. Bush on May 29, 2001.

Both the Justice Department and Enron tried to prevent the release of these tapes. Enron's lawyers argued they merely prove "that people at Enron sometimes talked like Barnacle Bill the Sailor."


http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/06/01/eveningnews/main620626.shtml
 

Infohawk

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We need more corporate transparency to avoid crap like this. I think Democrats are better suited to pass such legislation. Vote Democrat this year.
 

wkabel23

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Disgusting.

Do we not have some government agency that investigates this type of stuff? I find it disturbing that this was allowed to take place :|
 

NightCrawler

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Oh God like they're the first people to be happy when something bad happens cause there going to profit from it.

California was screwed from the start when they deregulated the wholesaler but the retailer had to sell at a fixed price which was way below the wholesale price.
 

chess9

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NightCrawler:

Which economist told California deregulation would be good? Must have been some left wing wacko, correct? :)

Sure, the California legislature and governor bear a large portion of the responsibility, but these dumb ideas come out of the right wing "no-think" tanks, particularly supply side/trickle down/libertarian style economists.

-Robert
 

Bowmaster

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That SOB Bush stood by and let Enron do this to CA. FERC did nothing.

Let's get this straight - Bush & Co. DID NOT just stand by and let this happen. They took MASSIVE AMOUNTS OF CASH and let this happen.

Surprised? I didn't think so...
 

Crimson

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Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Sick bastards. They should hang. :p

So Enron Exec's should hang, but you make nothing but excuses for terrorists? I think we have a clear picture of DealMonkey's agenda.
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Sick bastards. They should hang. :p

So Enron Exec's should hang, but you make nothing but excuses for terrorists? I think we have a clear picture of DealMonkey's agenda.

How does Enron's bilking of millions relate to terrorists? Well, I guess Enron execs could be considered terrorists. I think Bush should do the right thing and hold them captive as "enemy combatants".
 

chrisms

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Sick bastards. They should hang. :p

So Enron Exec's should hang, but you make nothing but excuses for terrorists? I think we have a clear picture of DealMonkey's agenda.

Anyone who posts on an internet forum consistantly has no political agenda.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Crimson
Originally posted by: DealMonkey
Sick bastards. They should hang. :p

So Enron Exec's should hang, but you make nothing but excuses for terrorists? I think we have a clear picture of DealMonkey's agenda.

Yeah whatever Crimson, like I really said that you asshat. Give your sarcasm meter a technical tap. Just to clarify, yes I think what those energy traders did was sick and twisted especially considering I had the priviledge of feeling the brunt of their actions first-hand. But no, I don't think they should hang.

Hooking 'em up to the CA grid, Abu Ghraib-style sounds like a good alternative. Remember, after 9/11 the gloves come off. ;)
 

Gravity

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Originally posted by: Infohawk
We need more corporate transparency to avoid crap like this. I think Democrats are better suited to pass such legislation. Vote Democrat this year.

Um, no.
 

Moonbeam

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You should have heard the right wing here squeal like pigs when it was first suggested that Enron and other companies were playing games to make a killing on Californians and Bush wouldn't step in like the governor asked. The Chimp and Co are are Mafia pure and simple. The don't need to be impeached, they need to go to prison. But because they are protected by millions of the faithful, America will not be able to bring justice to this matter and the Mafia will continue to enjoy political careers as a safe haven for theft. Punishment is the only deterrent that will end criminal political parties.
 

Perknose

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George Bush, your pants are officially on fire.

The LIE:

On January 10, 2002 a reporter asked GWBush about his relationship with Ken Lay. Bush replied:

"First of all, Ken Lay is a supporter, and I got to know Ken Lay when he was a head of the -- what they call the Governor's Business Council in Texas. He was a supporter of Ann Richards (former Texas governor) in my run against her in 1994, and she named him head of the Governor's Business Council and I decided to leave him in place, for the sake of continuity. And that's when I first got to know Ken and worked with Ken, and he supported my candidacy . . .

The TRUTH:

In fact GWBush knew and associated with Ken Lay long before 1994 and Bush was much closer to Lay than just re-appointing him to a business council.

In the summer of 1991, Lay told the Dallas Morning News that in 1989, when he was spearheading a project to locate the Bush Presidential Library in Houston (Bush I), "That's when I probably spent more quality time with George W. Bush." 1989 -- not 1994.

Lay headed the local host committee for the 1992 Republican National Convention in Houston where, according to what he told the Houston Chronicle he "worked closely with George W. Bush." 1992 -- not 1994.

In a March 2001 interview with PBS, Lay told a much different story from the lie told by GWBush. Lay stated that he had been "a strong financial and political supporter of, first, President Bush, Sr., when he was running for president in 1980. . . I'm very close to the family. . . I was very close to George W. and had a lot of respect for him . . . " 1980 -- not 1994.

In a video of an October 2000 meeting of Enron employees, Lay stated "I strongly supported Bush when he ran for governor of Texas both times." In fact, Bush sent Lay a letter in 1997 in which he referred to Lay as one of his "old friends."

What about Bush's claim that Lay had supported Ann Richards, former Texas governor? Lay and his wife contributed $12,500 to Richards. They gave $47,500 to Bush and Enron's political action committee gave Bush $146,500 (the PAC gave Richards $19,500).

From 1994 on, Lay and his wife gave: $122,500 for the two Bush gubernatorial campaigns; $100,000 for his inauguration; $250,000 for the Bush I presidential library. Enron and Enron executives gave $736,680 to Bush for his political campaigns, his election recount, and his inauguration.

Perhaps this explains why Ken Lay has not been charged by the feds in the Enron disaster, while other Enron executives are going to jail.

The CONCLUSION:

George W. Bush lied about his relationship with Enron CEO Ken Lay.
 

catnap1972

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Originally posted by: teiresias
Screw that...hook em up to the transmission cables and turn the juice on

Don't forget to put the black hood on 'em.

And shove another electrode up their @$$ while we're at it (CBS News just played the tape)

(BTW, make sure Grandma Milly brings the marshmallows) :thumbsup:
 

Gaard

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George W. Bush lied about his relationship with Enron CEO Ken Lay.

Another example of the lies and deceit associated with this administration. Anyone keeping a list?
 

dahunan

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When will Cheney go to jail for the SECRET Energy hearings... the ones in which he passed around MAPS OF IRAQI OIL FIELDS and had already lined up suitors for??