HDR+AA not working on X1800XTs

[Cookie Monster]

So much flaming in this thread. So much threats, petty personal insults. No wonder there arent any video forum mods, because if there ever was one, no one would be posting here anymore, with the except of a very few.

I hope this thread gets locked.

Amazed to see dave posting here in AT though. Always learn a thing or two from you. :beer:

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Sure I could. But which level ?

Let me try to find one with good effects. I'll try to take the screenshots for indoor levels in a few moments. If not, I'll do it tommorow.

I need to return the game to my friend tommorow anyway, so that'll be my limit.

you people DISGUST me, really, you do. Rollo posted what appeared to be factual...had I found it I would have posted the same. Its kinda an important feature to go by, especially since you are paying a premium for the X1800XT. I really don't give a crap whether nVidia has their own problems - they do. We all remember the 5800 Ultra and the 3dmark03 snaffu...get over it.

If you cannot simply debate the item at hand here, don't type anything; AT ALL....WTF did I just say, stop typing...dammit! I'm really sick of coming in here and seeing you idiots flamming eachother. GROW UP. As the AT mod has already said, they aren't going to put a new mod in, and nothing is going to be done about these forums.

the forums are AS GOOD AS YOU DECIDE TO MAKE THEM. In plain words, everyone stoping the friggen flaming and grow up.


Look at the quote at the top of my post: Zenoth has gone to the trouble to post FC screenshots that show HDR+ AA working...but you're too busy to even look at them, instead you bicker some more. GROW UP DAMMIT. OR LEAVE AT....

 

[Zenoth]

For Your Eyes Only



Indoor screenshots. Same settings.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3772/farcry00014pg.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7050/farcry00024pz.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1448/farcry00033tu.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4653/farcry00048mz.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7126/farcry00063nz.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7809/farcry00078hi.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2600/farcry00109gk.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5222/farcry00110ur.jpg
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/1544/farcry00133bb.jpg
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/1442/farcry00141hz.jpg
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/1395/farcry00159yz.jpg
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/4434/farcry00207az.jpg
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/5425/farcry00222qy.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/2961/farcry00232gu.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7646/farcry00241lm.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/889/farcry00257rl.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/2139/farcry00263kg.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/8342/farcry00284kg.jpg

Well. I believe that's enough.

 

[Munky]

Originally posted by: nitromullet

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Ok, I've just taken a few screenshots (thanks Steve) in Far Cry (patched to version 1.3).

With "\r_hdrrendering 7" in effect.

In-game settings were: Everything as high as it could be, except for resolution (1024 x 768), and Lightning quality (there is a bug with "Very High"), which was set at "High".

With 6x Adaptive A-A / 8x HQ A-F

Screenshots:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4071/farcry00002ki.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8319/farcry00018or.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9392/farcry00037md.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7093/farcry00055cs.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4884/farcry00069ha.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9307/farcry00079jd.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/963/farcry00095ox.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1237/farcry00100rb.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4901/farcry00115wd.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8411/farcry00129uq.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6380/farcry00149km.jpg

The screenshots format is .JPG, and I as I look at them, I see there's some lack of details, and they might not make justice to what it really is to see it in motion.

But it's better than nothing.

My conclusion: AA (or AAA, as in "Adaptive" AA) does indeed work with HDR. Well ... Far Cry's, at least.

Good contribution to this thread. It does appear that HDR+AA is working. Wonder why [ H ] couldn't figure that out...? Can you take some shots from an indoor level that really shows the contrast of HDR?

What, the same[ H ] that claimed Nv wasnt cheating in the FX cards' drivers, and also "declared" Nv shimmering didnt exist? Well, there MAY be a reason for this one too.

 

[Zenoth]

Wow, RampantAndroid, now that's how we do it.

Way to over-react.

And, sorry do disappoint you, but I won't leave AT just because of a pure stranger spitting words at me. Nor even because of Rollo.

He created this thread. I participate in it. I give my opinions, and I try to make points, and I try to back them up.

If I fail, then, oh so miserable insect that I am God may squish my forfeit life. I don't care, personally.

And, isn't there just a way here at AT to "ignore" someone's posts ? If you don't like my opinions or whatever, what about YOU do something about it ? As in ignore me ?

Whatever ...

 

[nature1]

Originally posted by: crazydingo

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Rollo
And I'd own any dog as a mod- dogs can be bought with $.10 worth of bacon and are NOT impartial.

And you are LOL :laugh:

Turn that bacon into NVIDIA stuff like Reference cards and...

No offense but you are the biggest fanboy I have ever seen.

:laugh:

QFT !

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: munky
But the features are available in the hardware, only the game devs need to use the features.

That is the key here isn't it? History tells us that for the most part developers won't code for an ATI only feature, for whatever reason.

So in your own little way, you are implying that future Nvidia products wont do HDR+AA. Oh god ...

Originally posted by: Rollo

Originally posted by: nts

Originally posted by: Rollo
And I'd own any dog as a mod- dogs can be bought with $.10 worth of bacon and are NOT impartial.

And you are LOL :laugh:

Turn that bacon into NVIDIA stuff like Reference cards and...

No offense but you are the biggest fanboy I have ever seen.

:laugh:

Originally posted by: Rollo
I think everyone here pretty much knows:

I lie whenever i can, post erroneous information about competitive hardware (like in this thread title suggest).

That I applaud nVidia for giving devs the nV40 feature set to make the games you'll play on ATIs catch-up card but at the same time be a hypocrite and dont accept the same when the tables are reversed.

That after having and using 4 SLI sets I think it's the best thing since sliced bread but also accept that it is not the thing for the masses.

Fixed it for you. :laugh:

lol pwned

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
And, sorry do disappoint you, but I won't leave AT just because of a pure stranger spitting words at me. Nor even because of Rollo.

Awww mannnn. Not even because of me?!?!?



I have no desire for you to leave AT Zenoth. You don't seem to be flaming, just posting a different viewpoint, which is always welcome!

:beer:

 

[nitromullet]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
For Your Eyes Only



Indoor screenshots. Same settings.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/3772/farcry00014pg.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7050/farcry00024pz.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1448/farcry00033tu.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4653/farcry00048mz.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7126/farcry00063nz.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7809/farcry00078hi.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/2600/farcry00109gk.jpg
http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/5222/farcry00110ur.jpg
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/1544/farcry00133bb.jpg
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/1442/farcry00141hz.jpg
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/1395/farcry00159yz.jpg
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/4434/farcry00207az.jpg
http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/5425/farcry00222qy.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/2961/farcry00232gu.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/7646/farcry00241lm.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/889/farcry00257rl.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/2139/farcry00263kg.jpg
http://img417.imageshack.us/img417/8342/farcry00284kg.jpg

Well. I believe that's enough.

Wow dude. Thanks for all the effort you've put forth for this.

Interesting though... You say you're running 6xAA, and while most if the images look great, there are a few that are odd to me.

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/4653/farcry00048mz.jpg

That one for example, the gun has so much aliasing going on, it looks like it needs a shave. Are the images compressed to make them smaller. I've seen screen shots lose IQ pretty quick when compressed.

Anyway, not putting down your effort in the least bit. Just trying to understand this situation a bit better. The way it looks like so far is that [ H ] can't figure out how to use a video card, while an ordinary user can. I wonder if their results are due to [ H ] benchmarking with pre-release hardware/drivers. If so, you think ATI would make sure that they got the fixed stuff. Possibly, this only affects XT cards, but I can't think of a logical reason that it would affect the XT and not the XL.

/mullet scratches head with dumbfounded mullet look on his face...

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Wow, RampantAndroid, now that's how we do it.

Way to over-react.

And, sorry do disappoint you, but I won't leave AT just because of a pure stranger spitting words at me. Nor even because of Rollo.

He created this thread. I participate in it. I give my opinions, and I try to make points, and I try to back them up.

If I fail, then, oh so miserable insect that I am God may squish my forfeit life. I don't care, personally.

And, isn't there just a way here at AT to "ignore" someone's posts ? If you don't like my opinions or whatever, what about YOU do something about it ? As in ignore me ?

Whatever ...

No, I realy don't think I am overreacting....especially since this flame war junk has been going on for quite a bit....its always a certain few people fighting over the R580, or the GTX512....Rollo says something, it seems people are attracted like magnets to rant about his fanboy status...if they don't like someone that much, than just ignore them or something.....

Cookie Monster sums it up fairly well:

So much flaming in this thread. So much threats, petty personal insults. No wonder there arent any video forum mods, because if there ever was one, no one would be posting here anymore, with the except of a very few.

EDIT:

Either way...back to the subject (I'm throwing it off myself.... Sooooo....I guess [ H ] was wrong again? BTW- the shimmering is terrible....is that something driver wise? Even with quality on high I see it in some games.

 

[RampantAndroid]

One more question: I'm not fully up to date on the Far Cry AA thing...any chance that it will ever work for us people who have 7800s? (is the HDR in AOE III and Chaos Theory the same way?)

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
No, I realy don't think I am overreacting....especially since this flame war junk has been going on for quite a bit....its always a certain few people fighting over the R580, or the GTX512....Rollo says something, it seems people are attracted like magnets to rant about his fanboy status...if they don't like someone that much, than just ignore them or something.....

No body cares about Rollo, similarly nobody likes FUD to spread as well. When both of them mix (which is sadly very often) then you see people having a problem.

Either way, Zenoth contributed to this thread and debunked Rollo's FUD. If you are upset for that, then you've got your priorities wrong.

People that help :thumbsup:

People that spread FUD :thumbsdown:

 

[RampantAndroid]

I wouldn't call this FUD (whatever FUD stands for)

He had something to back him up, and since he doesn't own a x1800XT, he can't test [ H ]'s review very well, can he? (no, I don't care that all he owns is nVidia....yes, you are allowed to post stuff on hardware you don't own.)

Still my questions above stand.

 

[Zenoth]

Nitromullet, yep I did noticed that screenshot as well. The gun is aliased on top of it especially.

But I do remember that place, in-game. It wasn't that noticeable.

The .JPG format really isn't doing the whole thing justice. But I tried. And ImageShack won't upload .BMP's.

But, yes technically speaking, there is a few places where, if you really, really look long enough, you can notice "some" aliased sections of objects with HDR and AAA.

I didn't try with regular A-A, but Adaptive AA does work in most places, if not all actually.

Taking screenshots is a thing ... but you need to see it in motion, as I said.

Not only that, but the actual display quality of the Monitor you play it on also helps make the scenery look crisper.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
I wouldn't call this FUD (whatever FUD stands for).

FUD = BS (something not true)

Originally posted by: RampantAndroid
He had something to back him up, and since he doesn't own a x1800XT, he can't test [ H ]'s review very well, can he? (no, I don't care that all he owns is nVidia....yes, you are allowed to post stuff on hardware you don't own.).

Conversely he had other reviews which attested that HDR+AA works, but since his motives were aligned with [ H ] he choose them. Kind of shady, isnt it? Presenting the half-truth.

 

[RampantAndroid]

For hosting plain BMPs, you could probably get a freewebs account and upload those BMPs?

 

[Zenoth]

Hey, crazydingo, thanks.

I'd pay you a beer right now, but sadly, I don't drink alcohol, hehe.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Hey, crazydingo, thanks.

I'd pay you a beer right now, but sadly, I don't drink alcohol, hehe.

Credit where its due. Others have also acknowledge that you were helpful.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Originally posted by: crazydingo
Conversely he had other reviews which attested that HDR+AA works, but since his motives were aligned with [ H ] he choose them. Kind of shady, isnt it? Presenting the half-truth.

Well, one review out of the bunch does stand to be explained...I've been seeing a lot about [ H ] going down, and I can see it too, but either way, it deserves to be explained.

Listen, either way, I don't care...lets NOT let this degenerate into a flame war, please.

Again, I'll reemphasize my questions:

Either way...back to the subject (I'm throwing it off myself.... Sooooo....I guess [ H ] was wrong again? BTW- the shimmering is terrible....is that something driver wise? Even with quality on high I see it in some games.

One more question: I'm not fully up to date on the Far Cry AA thing...any chance that it will ever work for us people who have 7800s? (is the HDR in AOE III and Chaos Theory the same way?)

 

[Zenoth]

No not really RampantAndroid.

Simply because:

1) Far Cry's screenshots taken from the game with the F12 key are automatically created as .JPG's.
2) I do not have them as originally created from the game in .BMP's, of course.
3) Changing format from .JPG to .BMP wouldn't have the same quality as in automatically creating them as .BMP's in the first place.
4) I believe I've made my point, which is clear enough with the posted .JPG's: HDR, in Far Cry at least, is affected by Adaptive A-A, as ATi tells it is capable of. The X1K series is technically, physically capable of that. Now another question that could be asked is ... are developers ready to make their games optimized for that ? I'm not sure. I cannot say.

Personally, I didn't buy an X1800 XL just because it's ATi, or just because Ruby is drawn on the cooling solution of the card, but because I had a superb deal for it, that only a fool with the money for that kind of products would have refused to grab the opportunity.

And now as I use it regularly I discover a great Graphics card, that I myself can admit did avoid getting information from, since I wasn't interested, by you know what ? By mere sayings, and forums posts.

Now all I can do, and say, is to eat my thoughts back, and be proud I have such a great card at the price I got it.

 

[nRollo]

Originally posted by: Zenoth
Ok, I've just taken a few screenshots (thanks Steve) in Far Cry (patched to version 1.3).

With "\r_hdrrendering 7" in effect.

In-game settings were: Everything as high as it could be, except for resolution (1024 x 768), and Lightning quality (there is a bug with "Very High"), which was set at "High".

With 6x Adaptive A-A / 8x HQ A-F

Screenshots:

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4071/farcry00002ki.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/8319/farcry00018or.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9392/farcry00037md.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7093/farcry00055cs.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/4884/farcry00069ha.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/9307/farcry00079jd.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/963/farcry00095ox.jpg
http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/1237/farcry00100rb.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/4901/farcry00115wd.jpg
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/8411/farcry00129uq.jpg
http://img212.imageshack.us/img212/6380/farcry00149km.jpg

The screenshots format is .JPG, and I as I look at them, I see there's some lack of details, and they might not make justice to what it really is to see it in motion.

But it's better than nothing.

My conclusion: AA (or AAA, as in "Adaptive" AA) does indeed work with HDR. Well ... Far Cry's, at least.

No offense, but I'm goign to want to see a review site cover this or at screenshots that show the same scene HDR/no HDR, preferably the ones you put the mouse over to flip, before I believe this.

A. It's hard to tell from screeshots. For example, you 2KI is a blurry mess, that looks horrible for the setting you claim. In 48, the gun is aliased. Etc.
B. I find it hard to believe no one at Rage3d, the ATI fansite, knows this?
C. Why isn't it covered in reviews if you can do it?

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: Todd33
Rollo, go buy a X1800XT, test it and then give it to your cat.

I have a better idea. Why don't you? And if you don't have a cat, go buy one to give it to.
Cause it looks to me like you just threw an insult at a 5 year old boy.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: BFG10K

HDR+AA not working on X1800XTs

Does FP HDR + AA work on your 7800? Nope and it never will because your hardware doesn't support it, unlike Far Cry and Serious Sam 2 which simply requires developer AA support to make it work on R520 cards.

I don't recall you ever creating a troll thread to slam nVidia's AA-less HDR limitation but that's to be expected from you.

Personally, I wondered a lot about what performance would be for this, even if it was working.

Yet you didn't seem to wonder about performance when you were pimping AA-less HDR and soft shadows on nVidia cards.

Quit yer trolling. HDR + AA was never hyped on 7800's was it? It sure as hell was on the X1000's now wasn't it sunshine.....

Anyway, this thread is about the X1800XT using HDR+AA. Go and start another thread stating that 7800's don't work with HDR + AA and you'll get a lot of "No sh!t sherlock" replies.

 

[Zenoth]

Hey ... people ...

Once the screenshot loads, don't forget to left-click on it again. So you can see it in 1024 x 768 ... and not in 800 x 600.

Maybe that's why some of you might think it's "blurry".

And, to answer you, Lord Rollo:

A: Blurry ? Mess ? Blurry Mess at that ? Rollo, just for me to get information, did you play Far Cry before ? That level is outdoor, right ? Well, the scene can seem "blurry" to your eyes, but remember that we can see as far as 1 kilometer in draw-distance in Far Cry. Go to a humid tropical paradise like that, and tell me if you can see clear far away. But, hey, yes I do agree that it IS technically blurry, in the distance that is (otherwise I don't know what you think is blurry, or you'll have to tell me what's your definition of it, so I could perhaps agree then), but you ever thought about it being something the developers wanted ?

B: Huh ... yeah, me to.

C: Hummm ... because they don't know I exist and couldn't think of somebody that would be able to think beyond posting numbers white on black ? Man I don't know, really. Maybe it's because they post what companies tell them to ? Who knows actually for sure.

 

[crazydingo]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003
Anyway, this thread is about the X1800XT using HDR+AA. Go and start another thread stating that 7800's don't work with HDR + AA and you'll get a lot of "No sh!t sherlock" replies.

Hey keys surprisingly you dont seem to have any problems with the misleading title of this thread ..

 

[Zenoth]

Oh, and, Rollo, would an in-depth review from Anand make you "believe" what I'd have done and proven weeks or months before ?

I mean, why do you find it hard to believe ? Do you hate ATi enough so to blindly ingore truth ?

Hey I'm just asking, mind you. No direct offense here.

Although I can agree, and I do actually, that mere .JPG's do not reflect the real quality of the whole thing when played live, I can say however that I saw it in motion myself, and I discovered it was possible during the process of taking the screenshots. I am still damnly impessed by how nice that game looks.

Oh and ... in case you're wondering, the actual game-play was smooth on those settings. Keep in mind it was 1024 x 768. Probably what became an under-estimated resolution who knows. You can enable everything eye-candy with such a resolution, and still play the game smooth with NO slow downs. And I do mean "NO" ... and not "Little to no".

Frame-rates varied from 40 to 60.

Wow, I wonder why I still keep posting. Bah, I'm trying to make my time taken for the contribution of the thread worth a little humble something I guess.