HD6770 specifications possibly leaked: 1280SPs 900Mhz 256-bit

[RussianSensation]

... Barts XT can't come soon enough!

Frankly, what REALLY can't come soon enough are some great PC games (with next generation graphics to boot). I just finished Braid (a 2D puzzle game) because I needed a change from all the FPSers. In all seriousness though, other than Crysis, Metro 2033 and STALKER:CoP, there is nothing that even pushes a 5850 < 1920x1200 unless you apply an insane level of AA.

 

[blastingcap]

Frankly, what REALLY can't come soon enough are some great PC games (with next generation graphics to boot). I just finished Braid (a 2D puzzle game) because I needed a change from all the FPSers. In all seriousness though, other than Crysis, Metro 2033 and STALKER:CoP, there is nothing that even pushes a 5850 < 1920x1200 unless you apply an insane level of AA.

I game at 5040x1050 when possible. That's sufficiently punishing to make an oc'd 5850 choke on BFBC2 at anything above medium settings, though less-stressful stuff like TF2 and CoH can run okay at Eyefinity resolutions.

StarCraft 2, Fallout New Vegas, Mass Effect 2, etc. so far in 2010. Some people also liked Civ V, Bioshock 2, etc. This year isn't that bad in terms of new PC games.

 

[Avalon]

I'd really hope they don't price Barts XT at $250 with rumored performance of a GTX470. That would just be merely competitive at that price point. You don't release a next generation GPU, at a specific price point, and not raise the bar.

That's like saying when Nvidia's 6000 series came out, it would have been ok to release the 6600GT at $300, since it performed like a $300 (at the time) Radeon 9800XT.

Barts XT with GTX470 performance needs to be priced at $200. Barts Pro needs to be priced around $170. Even at these price points, AMD is still going to make a healthy profit. After all, this isn't 4000 series pricing, and it's not their high end.

 

[MrK6]

MrK6, but at the same time how can Fermi, even refreshed, compete with a brand new HD6000 series in performance? In videocard generations, generally the performance difference is very large between generations. It will take until Kepler before HD6000 series can be challenged on the high-end unless HD6000 is underwhelming. If NV can actually compete with HD6000 series with just refresh of Fermi, then HD6000 is a huge failure. There should be almost no competition between a brand new generation and an old one. NV's only strategy at this point is lowering prices and bundling more games with their cards.

It does seem like a predicament. I've used the phrase before that NVIDIA "dug itself into a hole" with GF100, and I'll stick to it for now. I think they were overly optimistic about the capabilities of 40nm and it bit them in the ass. How they recover is anyone's guess, although creating some GF104 variants to compete in the mid-range and lower markets is a good idea.

I'd really hope they don't price Barts XT at $250 with rumored performance of a GTX470. That would just be merely competitive at that price point. You don't release a next generation GPU, at a specific price point, and not raise the bar.

That's like saying when Nvidia's 6000 series came out, it would have been ok to release the 6600GT at $300, since it performed like a $300 (at the time) Radeon 9800XT.

Barts XT with GTX470 performance needs to be priced at $200. Barts Pro needs to be priced around $170. Even at these price points, AMD is still going to make a healthy profit. After all, this isn't 4000 series pricing, and it's not their high end.

Well, it'd also depend on what else Barts XT brings to the table, like features (Eyefinity 4?), power consumption, overclocking capabilities, etc. I'd like to see Barts XT come in at $230, if it's any indication of Cayman prices, but I doubt it, as I think $250 is more feasible. Hopefully I'm wrong .

 

[Tsavo]

I'd really hope they don't price Barts XT at $250 with rumored performance of a GTX470. That would just be merely competitive at that price point. You don't release a next generation GPU, at a specific price point, and not raise the bar.

That's like saying when Nvidia's 6000 series came out, it would have been ok to release the 6600GT at $300, since it performed like a $300 (at the time) Radeon 9800XT.

Barts XT with GTX470 performance needs to be priced at $200. Barts Pro needs to be priced around $170. Even at these price points, AMD is still going to make a healthy profit. After all, this isn't 4000 series pricing, and it's not their high end.

The 470 is $300. An AMD part that's performance competitive for $250 would be a hot seller.

 

[3DVagabond]

I'd really hope they don't price Barts XT at $250 with rumored performance of a GTX470. That would just be merely competitive at that price point. You don't release a next generation GPU, at a specific price point, and not raise the bar.

The cheapest I could find the GTX-470 on Newegg today is $270.00 AR. So, $250.00 release price wouldn't be terrible, but I concur that ~$230.00 would be better.

I do expect that AMD will try and price it too whatever demand is. It's the same story as Evergreen. No point in selling every one they make @ $230.00 when they can sell every one they make @ $250.00

Assuming it's not a power hog, which unless they screwed something up it won't be, give it the same performance as the GTX-470, and the GTX-470 will have to sell for less.

 

[Keysplayr]

You made a funny?

Well, I tried. But I got reported for it..

So much for humor.
OT: Specs for the 6xxx series looks fantastic. Can't wait.

 

[blastingcap]

The cheapest I could find the GTX-470 on Newegg today is $270.00 AR. So, $250.00 release price wouldn't be terrible, but I concur that ~$230.00 would be better.

I do expect that AMD will try and price it too whatever demand is. It's the same story as Evergreen. No point in selling every one they make @ $230.00 when they can sell every one they make @ $250.00

Assuming it's not a power hog, which unless they screwed something up it won't be, give it the same performance as the GTX-470, and the GTX-470 will have to sell for less.

$252AR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-320-_-Product

 

[Stoneburner]

No! It's fun to speculate! Plus, I've been dying for the last couple of weeks after I sold my 5850 in preparation for HD6xxx launch. My old 6800XT was supposed to tide me over, but it died on me suddenly. In any case, with the death of my old GeForce, the best GPU in the house is currently a freakin' IGP. D: I need a single-GPU tri-monitor solution sooner rather than later, but I can't bear to buy a HD5xxx series when I know I can just wait a month and get a better GPU with UVD 3.0 and (probably) efficiency. The wait is killing me and these leaks are getting really interesting... Barts XT can't come soon enough!

I've been using a 3870 in my main rig since it was released years ago. I switched to gaming on an HTPC but now the 3870 is getting a bit long in the tooth. I was thinking of geting a 5770 since i only game at 1680 x 1050 but I probably will need anew monitor soon to. The $200 5850 and the 460's are damn tempting these days.

 

[3DVagabond]

$252AR

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...-320-_-Product

Oops! I only clicked on the prices. Didn't actually check each one in depth. My bad. I still don't think it changes things much, though. I believe it could very well change in a month though.

 

[Avalon]

The 470 is $300. An AMD part that's performance competitive for $250 would be a hot seller.

Alright, sorry, it's closer to $275, but even still, you're going to tell me you're excited for an upcoming performance competitive part that's $25 cheaper?

Because the vibe I'm getting from this forum is that everyone is drooling at the thought, and that just completely baffles me. If we're not gaining notable performance, we're only saving $25, and features are only being incrementally upgraded, what is the big deal?

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to see what this launch brings, but I'm not the least bit interested in a Barts XT coming out at $250. This is their 6700 series. Or so the rumors tell me.

 

[HendrixFan]

Don't get me wrong, I'm excited to see what this launch brings, but I'm not the least bit interested in a Barts XT coming out at $250. This is their 6700 series. Or so the rumors tell me.

I don't know where that idea originated from. They have already officially stated that the 6700 Barts cards are to compete with the GTX 460 parts which are priced (MSRP) at $230 and $200.

 

[RussianSensation]

StarCraft 2, Fallout New Vegas, Mass Effect 2, etc. so far in 2010. Some people also liked Civ V, Bioshock 2, etc. This year isn't that bad in terms of new PC games.

Any of these games can be played on a Radeon 4870 1GB, and a $200 GTX460 will crush just about any game besides Crysis, Metro 2033 and STALKER:CoP < 1920x1200. Unfortunately, consoles have helped to stagnate PC gaming graphics in the last 2-3 years (plus Windows XP/Vista slowed down DX10/11 adoption). I can understand in your case you need more hp since you have multiple monitors. It seems with today's graphics, every little bit of extra realism just hammers performance. Maybe developers are waiting for much faster graphics cards and wider DX11 adoption before introducing another revolution (we haven't had anything jaw dropping since Crysis 1 came and blew everything away).

Thankfully with Barts, we should see elevated mid-range performance, which is much needed.

 

[blastingcap]

Any of these games can be played on a Radeon 4870, and a $160 GTX460 will crush them. Consoles have helped to stagnate PC gaming graphics in the last 2-3 years (plus Windows XP/Vista slowed down DX10/11 adoption). I can understand in your case you need more hp since you have multiple monitors.

Sorry, I was talking about game quality, not graphics. They don't have to go hand in hand.

I agree with you that for a 16x10 user, something like a 4870 is just fine, and anything faster is gravy.

If you are looking for top-quality games that also demand top-quality hardware, nobody has done that since Crysis (and only if you consider that to be a top-quality game). BFBC2 probably comes closest for such a game in 2010. Metro 2033 barely cracked 80 on metacritic, not to mention some of its GPU-crushing settings barely helped image quality anyway. So don't hold your breath.

I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing, as I'd rather play well-designed games with okay graphics than mediocre games with good graphics.

In the meantime, AMD and NV are trying hard to spur demand for GPU power via multi-monitor and 3D, both of which are highly resource intensive. I think multi-monitor is more useful because it may be used for productivity purposes outside of gaming, but that's just me.

 

[blastingcap]

VR Zone updated their article: http://vr-zone.com/articles/updated--rumour-amd-radeon-hd-6700-specification-chart-leaked/9936.html

"UPDATE: Over at Chiphell, the source of most leaks, Napoleon, has leaked the full version of the same table. Two very similar tables coming from different sources certainly lends much more credibility to this chart than previous ones. The full chart reveals further details - power consumption. While notably higher than HD 5700, the HD 6770 is also lower than HD 5850, a GPU it will most likely beat comfortably. The HD 6770 features a TDP of 146W and the HD 6750 a very reasonable 116W. Idle power usage is 23W and 20W respectively. This means the HD 6770, while under 150W, will probably release with 2-pin PCI-e connectors, while the HD 6750 can easily do with just one. "

Additionally, at least one S|A'er with a history of inside knowledge says that these specs are real.

 

[Silverforce11]

I've originally said the 2x6-pin on Barts XT is just for OC headroom (and it will be an OC monster), as its TDP is lower than 5850, for >= 5870 performance. Since its very close to release, more leaks are going to be detailed and we'll get some crossfire numbers soon.

Crossfire Barts XT will blow everything we know out of the water for perf/price and perf/w and pretty much every metric.

Cayman XT is looking ~50&#37; faster than 5870 in dx9/10 with the recent drivers and a lot faster in dx11. It won't be cheap, for those expecting ~$400. So far, my sources say ATI is thinking of $499+ and not ~$440 as they originally planned. CF Barts XT (~$250) may be quicker for cheaper, but Cayman XT's a halo product and the fastest single GPU with no competition. I'm not certain on Cayman Pro pricing yet, but its performance is a bit faster than gtx480. Both Cayman types are also excellent overclockers. It looks like the 5850 vs 5870 scenario again, with Cayman Pro being down-clocked heavily, so if you are willing to OC, its the best value card.

The lower TMU count is deceptive as they've significantly beefed up both the TMUs (especially the TMUs, with a focus for better scaling at high-res eyeinfinity) and ROPs performance so it ends up being more of everything.

One thing ppl haven't thought of, is the new eyefinity setup, being very friendly to your pockets as there's no need for dp monitors or active dp>vga or dvi. Either way, ATI knows it has no competition.. so don't expect things to be dirt cheap. It doesn't mean it won't be good value, because it is, but not a major bargain some hope for.

 

[RaistlinZ]

Guess there's no need to rush to sell my current 5870 then, since the 6770 will just be a sidegrade at best. It will be interesting to see how they scale in CrossFire though, especially against a 2 X GTX460 1GB setup.

 

[Silverforce11]

If i had CF 5870, i would sell it right now before its depreciates in price by a huge margin once 6K is released.

2x Barts XT will blow 2x 5870 away, its not even a fair contest. The new architecture has been specifically designed to 1) Scale a lot better with crossfire and 2) Scale better at high-res eyeinfinity.

 

[toyota]

I've originally said the 2x6-pin on Barts XT is just for OC headroom (and it will be an OC monster), as its TDP is lower than 5850, for >= 5870 performance. Since its very close to release, more leaks are going to be detailed and we'll get some crossfire numbers soon.

Crossfire Barts XT will blow everything we know out of the water for perf/price and perf/w and pretty much every metric.

Cayman XT is looking ~50&#37; faster than 5870 in dx9/10 with the recent drivers and a lot faster in dx11. It won't be cheap, for those expecting ~$400. So far, my sources say ATI is thinking of $499+ and not ~$440 as they originally planned. CF Barts XT (~$250) may be quicker for cheaper, but Cayman XT's a halo product and the fastest single GPU with no competition. I'm not certain on Cayman Pro pricing yet, but its performance is a bit faster than gtx480. Both Cayman types are also excellent overclockers. It looks like the 5850 vs 5870 scenario again, with Cayman Pro being down-clocked heavily, so if you are willing to OC, its the best value card.

The lower TMU count is deceptive as they've significantly beefed up both the TMUs (especially the TMUs, with a focus for better scaling at high-res eyeinfinity) and ROPs performance so it ends up being more of everything.

One thing ppl haven't thought of, is the new eyefinity setup, being very friendly to your pockets as there's no need for dp monitors or active dp>vga or dvi. Either way, ATI knows it has no competition.. so don't expect things to be dirt cheap. It doesn't mean it won't be good value, because it is, but not a major bargain some hope for.

I seriously doubt that a larger chip than the 5770 already clocked at 900 will be an overclocking monster.

 

[Silverforce11]

I seriously doubt that a larger chip than the 5770 already clocked at 900 will be an overclocking monster.

It's ~240mm2, a lot smaller than Cypress @ ~340mm2.
Much better yield at 40nm node this time around & better designs.

Edit: I think most ppl know that Cypress is a great overclocker, most cards hit ~900mhz with stock vcore (both my 5850s run at 950mhz core at stock) and 1ghz with a small vcore bump.

 

[Ancalagon44]

6750 looks a little too anemic compared to the 6770 to me. Massively reduced clockspeed as well as fewer functional units. Think they nerfed it too hard.

 

[Skurge]

Crossfire Barts XT will blow everything we know out of the water for perf/price and perf/w and pretty much every metric.

I lol'd at this.

 

[toyota]

6750 looks a little too anemic compared to the 6770 to me. Massively reduced clockspeed as well as fewer functional units. Think they nerfed it too hard.

well at stock speeds yeah there is a big gap but the 6750 will probably oc pretty high though. the memory bandwidth is almost identical and they will probably oc exactly the same there since they likely both use same rated speed ram. then the core clock on the 6770 is likely much closer to the max compared to the 6750 which probably has tons of headroom.

 

[RaistlinZ]

If i had CF 5870, i would sell it right now before its depreciates in price by a huge margin once 6K is released.

2x Barts XT will blow 2x 5870 away, its not even a fair contest. The new architecture has been specifically designed to 1) Scale a lot better with crossfire and 2) Scale better at high-res eyeinfinity.

I could probably sell it for $299, but then what? Buy a 6770 for slightly less performance?

 

[Avalon]

I don't know where that idea originated from. They have already officially stated that the 6700 Barts cards are to compete with the GTX 460 parts which are priced (MSRP) at $230 and $200.

I don't know either, I just keep hearing it everywhere. Where was the official announcement on intended competition?