HD6770 specifications possibly leaked: 1280SPs 900Mhz 256-bit

blastingcap

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UPDATE:

VR Zone updated their article: http://vr-zone.com/articles/updated--rumour-amd-radeon-hd-6700-specification-chart-leaked/9936.html

"UPDATE: Over at Chiphell, the source of most leaks, Napoleon, has leaked the full version of the same table. Two very similar tables coming from different sources certainly lends much more credibility to this chart than previous ones. The full chart reveals further details - power consumption. While notably higher than HD 5700, the HD 6770 is also lower than HD 5850, a GPU it will most likely beat comfortably. The HD 6770 features a TDP of 146W and the HD 6750 a very reasonable 116W. Idle power usage is 23W and 20W respectively. This means the HD 6770, while under 150W, will probably release with 2-pin PCI-e connectors, while the HD 6750 can easily do with just one."

Additionally, at least one S|A'er with a history of inside knowledge says that these specs are real.

http://vr-zone.com/articles/-rumour-amd-radeon-hd-6700-specification-chart-leaked/9936.html


In case AMD makes vr-zone take down the article or at least the pilfered slide, I'm copying parts of the article here and bolding/underlining some of the highlights (someone else can screenshot or copy the .jpg if they want):

"Codenamed Barts XT, the HD 6770 features 320 VLIW-4 shader clusters, i.e. 1280 SP. It features the same ROP count (32) and memory bus (256-bit) as the HD 5870, though TMU count is dropped to 64 (from 80). The core clock is a whopping 900 MHz, making it the fastest stock speed of any discrete GPU. The memory clock and thus bandwidth is a shade lower than the HD 5870, at 134.4 GB/s. Barts Pro, branded HD 6750, features 280 clusters, or 1120 SP and 56 TMU and a much lower clock speed of 725 MHz, though the memory speed is only 50 MHz lower at 1 GHz. Incidentally, these clock speeds are identical to the HD 5850.

The chart also reveals details about the SIMD structure of the Barts core. The Evergreen series SIMD featured 16 VLIW-5 clusters of 5 shaders each, for a total of 80 SP. Each SIMD also featured 4 TMU. The top part, Cypress XT / HD 5870, thus comprised of 20 SIMD, which is 320 clusters = 1600 SP and 80 TMU. The first major change, that has already been widely speculated, is the structure of each shader cluster. It now features only 4 shaders. However, each cluster is now more efficient, providing equal or greater performance for a smaller die area. Each SIMD now oddly consists of 20 such VLIW-4 clusters. (8, 16, 32... are usually expected) The total shaders per SIMD, thus remains the same - 80 - though they are arranged differently. Barts XT features 16 SIMD, or 320 clusters with 4 shaders each. I.e. a total of 1280 SP. The TMU per SIMD ratio remains constant at 4. Hence, Barts XT features 64 TMU. If these specifications are true, the end result is a HD 6770 card which soundly defeats a HD 5850, as recent rumours suggest, and gets very close to a HD 5870."

These look way more legit than the previous "leak" that had numbers that made no sense and a black smudge on them. But it's still not convincing enough for me to believe it's necessarily true. The whole "Each SIMD now oddly consists of 20 such VLIW-4 cluster" thing makes me wonder....
 
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RussianSensation

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With this info, it's fair to say that Barts Pro will be faster than GTX460 1GB and Barts XT will come right about GTX470 performance (so right between 5850 and 5870). The last key piece of info missing is price. Given these performance expectations, I am expecting HD6750 (Barts Pro) to be $189-209, with HD6770 (Barts Pro) to slot at $239-259. I wonder what 5750/5770 will be replaced with then at their price levels?
 

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If true and they keep the price around $200, 6770 will be my next card.

though now i have to start looking for a third 2408wfp for portrait eyefinity. craigslist here i come.
 

gorobei

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.... Given these performance expectations, I am expecting HD6750 (Barts Pro) to be $189-209, with HD6770 (Barts Pro) to slot at $239-259. I wonder what 5750/5770 will be replaced with then at their price levels?

I'm kinda hoping for a 8800gts(g80)/8800gt(g92) situation (the gts was in the 260$ range until the gt came out at 200$.) AMD could really put their foot on NV's throat if they priced bartsXT at 200 and bartsPRO at 180. It would kind of depend on how much 57x0 product is left in the AIB pipeline.
 

blastingcap

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I am expecting HD6750 (Barts Pro) to be $189-209, with HD6770 (Barts Pro) to slot at $239-259.

If AMD has any sense at all, it should eat as much market share as it can before Kepler arrives so as to reduce the potency of the CUDA/PhysX ecosystem. Simply matching NV's price/perf isn't enough to steal market share. GTX 460-768MBs have dropped to $140AR briefly before settling in the $150-160AR zone, and GTX460-1GBs have been seen for under $190AR for a while now. It may drop some more in 30 days' time. Now and in the recent past, the GTX470 has seen a lot of deals at the ~$250 mark, and it's still got a month to drop in price some more.

Barts Pro at $189 would be sorta okay ($180 would be much better at taking market share), but $200+ is letting NV off the hook imho. Similarly, AMD if it wants to kill NV's market share should price the 6770 at ~$220 or less if it's exactly in-between a 5850 and 5870 (not sure if it really will approach a 5870 or not; if it does, then a higher price is justified).

I wonder what 5750/5770 will be replaced with then at their price levels?

The HD6670 and HD6650? :)
 
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Lonyo

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I'm kinda hoping for a 8800gts(g80)/8800gt(g92) situation (the gts was in the 260$ range until the gt came out at 200$.) AMD could really put their foot on NV's throat if they priced bartsXT at 200 and bartsPRO at 180. It would kind of depend on how much 57x0 product is left in the AIB pipeline.

That was a die shrink situation, this is not, so there's less room to reduce prices like that.
 

blastingcap

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That was a die shrink situation, this is not, so there's less room to reduce prices like that.

I wonder how things would be had TSMC not canceled 32nm. If AMD managed to wring this much out of 40nm, and 32nm would have given more even more die space for more improvements or more SPs or whatever... :eek:
 

RussianSensation

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If AMD has any sense at all, it should eat as much market share as it can before Kepler arrives so as to reduce the potency of the CUDA/PhysX ecosystem.

Market share is important, but not if it comes at a loss to profit margins. I definitely think if Barts XT is above $200, it will still sell like hotcakes considering nV has nothing to counter Barts XT, even at $250, given the noise and power consumption deficiencies of the GTX470.
 

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To be honest, in todays market, the 6770 (6870) would sell at $300 easy. But it wont be todays market. So they will probably price it at $230 to start, then raise it to $250 later on.
 

MichaelD

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What's the new AMD card at the $350-$400 pricepoint look like? Name? I need a new high end card. Single card solution is what I'm looking for.
 

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It would be called a 6870 by what we say, but possibly renamed 6970. Should come at or around that price point, maybe up to $450 after launch. Speculation off specs put it at 30-40% raw performance over the 5870, and 2x the tesselation performance. DX11 seems also to be improved, but who knows. That puts it at about +20-30% over the 480, which better tess. Will almost definitely use a little more power, but likely wont run much or any hotter than the 5870 due to this new cooler type.
 

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Definitely looks like a storm is coming. Nvidia's already at a disadvantage at almost every market segment, these upcoming cards look to extend AMD's lead.

I won't count Nvidia out, but they need to get in gear with their offerings. They don't have the licensing to produce CPUs(yet), and they lost most of their chipset business when Intel didn't grant them the license for future Intel CPUs. They can still make chipsets for AMD CPUs, I believe, but I believe the 'native' AMD made chipsets will have the advantage. Doesn't look so rosy for them in the long term.

Announcing little more than the code names and estimated manufacturing process for GPUs 2-3 years out means absolutely nothing. If thats the best they can do against the Barts/Cayman products, its going to be a rough couple of years for them.
 

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Definitely looks like a storm is coming. Nvidia's already at a disadvantage at almost every market segment, these upcoming cards look to extend AMD's lead.

I won't count Nvidia out, but they need to get in gear with their offerings. They don't have the licensing to produce CPUs(yet), and they lost most of their chipset business when Intel didn't grant them the license for future Intel CPUs. They can still make chipsets for AMD CPUs, I believe, but I believe the 'native' AMD made chipsets will have the advantage. Doesn't look so rosy for them in the long term.

Announcing little more than the code names and estimated manufacturing process for GPUs 2-3 years out means absolutely nothing. If thats the best they can do against the Barts/Cayman products, its going to be a rough couple of years for them.

Quadro, Tesla, Tegra.
 

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Based on these specs, the 6750/6770 are definitely NOT replacements for the 5750/5770. AMD has had a huge gaping hole in their lineup between $150 and $250. These two cards will replace the DOA 5830 at $200 and the 5850 at $250. Now if AMD drops the prices $50 from those two points, we'll really be talking price war, but it seems like that's Nvidia's game now.
 

blastingcap

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Please let's keep on topic rather than derailing this thread like the other one that turned NV v AMD marketing/armchair CEOing, etc.

Definitely looks like a storm is coming. Nvidia's already at a disadvantage at almost every market segment, these upcoming cards look to extend AMD's lead.

I won't count Nvidia out, but they need to get in gear with their offerings. They don't have the licensing to produce CPUs(yet), and they lost most of their chipset business when Intel didn't grant them the license for future Intel CPUs. They can still make chipsets for AMD CPUs, I believe, but I believe the 'native' AMD made chipsets will have the advantage. Doesn't look so rosy for them in the long term.

Announcing little more than the code names and estimated manufacturing process for GPUs 2-3 years out means absolutely nothing. If thats the best they can do against the Barts/Cayman products, its going to be a rough couple of years for them.
 

3DVagabond

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5770 prices are currently where they've been for a while, ~$125.00-$130.00AR. I think the 5770 will continue on for a while longer than the 5800 series, which is starting to see a bit of price erosion. Of course, nVidia's price erosion I'm sure is also having an effect on Cypress as that's a similar performance category. The GTS-450 isn't really any type of competitor for the 5770 though.
 

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Current price (near the low end of the price range) of 5000 series...

5750 - $125
5770 - $140
5850 - $260
5870 - $390
5950 - $650

If Barts is $200 and $250 respectively, then where does that place 6850, 6870, 6970?

6750 - $200
6770 - $250
6850 - $325 ??
6870 - $425 ??
6970 - $800 ??
 

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This is the most impressive rumor yet. If the 6770 Barts XT does shape up to be 5870 performance with improved tesselation for $250, it's going to be another 8800GT type release and will take the market by storm.

That is incredible performance for the price and considering most gamers are at 1920x1200 and downwards, it would hit an incredible performance point for said price.

I hope this one is true it would give credence to the 6870 also being a stellar performer and giving us 140% the performance of a GTX 480. Good news if true, I'd like to see a monster single GPU like that. Hopefully they stick with $450 for the flagship and don't step it up to $600.

One can hope at least, when nvidia had the 8800GTX, that sucker was $600 for a full year because it had no competition from AMD in the single GPU bracket. If AMD pulls off 140% performance of the 480 in 6870, they may just hose potential buyers and charge us $600 because nvidia wont have any competition possible in the single GPU bracket after hitting a wall with the 480.
 

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That was a die shrink situation, this is not, so there's less room to reduce prices like that.


Actually, we do have a die shrink as in a smaller die for the same performance. You are talking about a process node shrink, which is the most common, but certainly not the only way to die shrink.
 

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Current price (near the low end of the price range) of 5000 series...

5750 - $125
5770 - $140
5850 - $260
5870 - $390
5950 - $650

If Barts is $200 and $250 respectively, then where does that place 6850, 6870, 6970?

6750 - $200
6770 - $250
6850 - $325 ??
6870 - $425 ??
6970 - $800 ??

That depends on how aggressive AMD wants and/or can be with pricing.

Considering what happened so far, I believe AMD will drop the 6850 (supposing the 6850 is near or better than the GXT 480 performance wise) that will make people simply ignore the GTX 470 and GTx 480 and charge a premium on the 6870 and X2 card.

The most intriguing question is how aggressive AMD will be the with 6750 and 6770 - BArts die should be smaller than GF104 so AMD might wish to go for GTX460 jugular.
 

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I hope this one is true it would give credence to the 6870 also being a stellar performer and giving us 140% the performance of a GTX 480. Good news if true, I'd like to see a monster single GPU like that. Hopefully they stick with $450 for the flagship and don't step it up to $600.

But can this be done without creating the noise/heat/power beast that the GTX480 is? I'm not sure if this is a 'only time will tell' thing - are the limits of the 40nm process being pushed by these chips?
 

blastingcap

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I don't keep track of the highest-end parts much but I disagree with the lower end. The lowest prices after rebate are more like:

5750 - $100AR
5770 - $125AR
5850 - $210AR

Keep in mind there is an entire MONTH to go and prices may fall more as we get closer to Oct. 25.

Current price (near the low end of the price range) of 5000 series...

5750 - $125
5770 - $140
5850 - $260
5870 - $390
5950 - $650