HD5830 price drop

[OILFIELDTRASH]

Looks like the 5850's and 5870's have come down on newegg. $279 for a couple 5850's and I think I saw a 5870 for $360.

 

[dust]

Looks like the 5850's and 5870's have come down on newegg. $279 for a couple 5850's and I think I saw a 5870 for $360.

good start! A long way to go still...

 

[Dark4ng3l]

I want 5770s to drop a bit so I can buy another one. Unfortunately it looks like my plan kind of backfired because all the sub 150$ CAD cards are now out of stock on newegg...

 

[Wreckage]

The 5870 needs to drop to around $250
The 5850 needs to drop under $200
The 5830 needs to drop under $100

Until then I don't think they are worth it at all. It's funny when the 48xx launched at a good price, everyone praised ATI for not "gouging" people. Those people are oddly silent these days.

 

[DaveSimmons]

The 5870 needs to drop to around $250
The 5850 needs to drop under $200
The 5830 needs to drop under $100

Until then I don't think they are worth it at all. It's funny when the 48xx launched at a good price, everyone praised ATI for not "gouging" people. Those people are oddly silent these days.

I've seen people complaining about ATI price increases and lack of price drops in many, many threads, from many ATI owners such as myself. Odd that you consider that to be silence.

The 5850 is faster than the GTX 460 1GB so it's hard not to see a claim it should cost $30 less as anything besides trolling.

 

[Dark4ng3l]

The 5870 needs to drop to around $250
The 5850 needs to drop under $200
The 5830 needs to drop under $100

Until then I don't think they are worth it at all. It's funny when the 48xx launched at a good price, everyone praised ATI for not "gouging" people. Those people are oddly silent these days.

Right and the GTX480 needs to drop to 200$ to cover the extra energy costs before I consider buying one... Oh and I think GTX460s need to drop to 50$ too.

 

[busydude]

I want 5770s to drop a bit so I can buy another one. Unfortunately it looks like my plan kind of backfired because all the sub 150$ CAD cards are now out of stock on newegg...

5770 and 5750 actually went up in prices these last couple of weeks.

 

[bryanW1995]

LOL

You want an HD5830 (that fits nicely between a 4890 and a 4870) for $125? Not asking for much, are you?

$175 is just right at this point in time.




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well, considering that you could buy a 4870 1gb for ~ $150 16 mos ago when I bought my gtx 260, doesn't it seem reasonable to you that we should be able to get similar performance for a few $$ less today?

 

[bryanW1995]

The 5870 needs to drop to around $250
The 5850 needs to drop under $200
The 5830 needs to drop under $100

Until then I don't think they are worth it at all. It's funny when the 48xx launched at a good price, everyone praised ATI for not "gouging" people. Those people are oddly silent these days.

they would already be there if nvidia was more competitive this time around. unfortunately, amd did so well at gaining mindshare with 4xxx that they didn't feel the need to price quite as aggressively with 58x0. on top of that, remember that nvidia and amd launched on the same day in june 08, so there was even more price pressure then. Looking at this more and more it appears that 08/09 was the anomoly and current pricing is the norm instead of vice versa. pity. hopefully next round the green team won't show up at 3pm for a noon game.

 

[veri745]

The 5870 needs to drop to around $250
The 5850 needs to drop under $200
The 5830 needs to drop under $100

Until then I don't think they are worth it at all. It's funny when the 48xx launched at a good price, everyone praised ATI for not "gouging" people. Those people are oddly silent these days.

Haha, we love you Wreckage.

 

[Wreckage]

The 5850 is faster than the GTX 460 1GB so it's hard not to see a claim it should cost $30 less as anything besides trolling.

It's not much faster than a 460 and is slower than a 470. It also lacks a lot of features that the 460 and 470 have. With performance so close, the extra features in my opinion make the 460 a much better buy. That is why I think it should cost less than a 460 for anyone to consider it.

I'm actually shocked that people are actually arguing against lower prices.

 

[jiffylube1024]

A necessary move to cut the 5830 to $199, seeing as the GTX 460 is a bit faster at the same price.

Now, if ATI is serious about keeping up the pace, they should drop the price on the 5870 and 5850.

 

[DaveSimmons]

It's not much faster than a 460 and is slower than a 470. It also lacks a lot of features that the 460 and 470 have. With performance so close, the extra features in my opinion make the 460 a much better buy. That is why I think it should cost less than a 460 for anyone to consider it.

I'm actually shocked that people are actually arguing against lower prices.

You only asked for lower ATI prices, not nVidia, as a not at all subtle slam against ATI.

I'll argue against your perception that PhysX in Batman AA is worth paying $30 extra for, when 3D gaming will be slower in almost every game (as you admit).

While you might be able to use GPU PhysX / CUDA in a few other games in the future, the 460 is slow enough that you'll need to drop resolution and/or image quality to allow it.

In short, the "extra features" offer minimal extra value for the 460 in particular, and it has the drawback of lower performance in its primary function (3D acceleration).

 

[Dark4ng3l]

You only asked for lower ATI prices, not nVidia, as a not at all subtle slam against ATI.

I'll argue against your perception that PhysX in Batman AA is worth paying $30 extra for, when 3D gaming will be slower in almost every game (as you admit).

While you might be able to use GPU PhysX / CUDA in a few other games in the future, the 460 is slow enough that you'll need to drop resolution and/or image quality to allow it.

In short, the "extra features" offer minimal extra value for the 460 in particular, and it has the drawback of lower performance in its primary function (3D acceleration).

Don't bother arguing with wreckage. He won't bring any real arguments to anything he just beats his drums as usual. Apparently it was decided that people who beat the nVidia drums like this are immune to any kind of moderation around here...

 

[happy medium]

You only asked for lower ATI prices, not nVidia, as a not at all subtle slam against ATI.

In all fairness, the gtx 480 has dropped 65$,gtx 470 90$,and the gtx 465 35$ in he past 2 weeks. The gtx 460 is already the best bang for your buck.
I would say it ATI's turn, wouldn't you?

I'll argue against your perception that PhysX in Batman AA is worth paying $30 extra for, when 3D gaming will be slower in almost every game (as you admit).

I don't argue with people's opinions, I respect them as I do yours. I also don't knock something or give over the top praise to something I've never seen or tried for myself.
I don't waste my breath, it's just doesen't get anywhere,does it?

While you might be able to use GPU PhysX / CUDA in a few other games in the future, the 460 is slow enough that you'll need to drop resolution and/or image quality to allow it.

In short, the "extra features" offer minimal extra value for the 460 in particular, and it has the drawback of lower performance in its primary function (3D acceleration).

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While one gtx 460 might not be able to use these extra features in high detail at super high resolutions , 2 in sli can, and you gotta admit it is an advantage knowing you can or will use all these extra features and 3d vision with sli, on the other hand with Ati 's solution you have no choice because it does not even support these extra's.
I for one loved the video for Mafia 2 ,it's the first game that makes me want to check out physx,and to play this game with all the eyecandy it's only possible with a Nvidia setup.

 

[Wreckage]

You only asked for lower ATI prices, not nVidia, as a not at all subtle slam against ATI.

I'll argue against your perception that PhysX in Batman AA is worth paying $30 extra for, when 3D gaming will be slower in almost every game (as you admit).

While you might be able to use GPU PhysX / CUDA in a few other games in the future, the 460 is slow enough that you'll need to drop resolution and/or image quality to allow it.

In short, the "extra features" offer minimal extra value for the 460 in particular, and it has the drawback of lower performance in its primary function (3D acceleration).

Dismissing features ATI doesn't have does not make them any less relevant. PhysX is in more than one game, you should not make such blatantly false claims.

There are numerous other features like 3D, VLC acceleration, better tessellation performance, CUDA, better folding@home performance, etc.

That's a lot of important features that are worth plenty. I'm not saying YOU should like them, anymore than you should say people should not like them.

Also 3D does slow down a game, so does AA/AF and higher resolutions. Are those also features that should be dismissed?

 

[tincart]

While one gtx 460 might not be able to use these extra features in high detail at super high resolutions , 2 in sli can, and you gotta admit it is an advantage knowing you can or will use all these extra features and 3d vision with sli

Having to buy TWO video cards to use "features" allegedly available using just ONE is a good thing?

 

[Wreckage]

Having to buy TWO video cards to use "features" allegedly available using just ONE is a good thing?

Why do people buy 2 ATI cards? Is it not to do exactly what you have stated?

 

[tincart]

Dismissing features ATI doesn't have does not make them any less relevant. PhysX is in more than one game, you should not make such blatantly false claims. ?

It does if they are, in fact, barely relevant.

 

[tincart]

Why do people buy 2 ATI cards? Is it not to do exactly what you have stated?

You and happy_medium seem to have the same reading comprehension problems so I'll suggest the same solution.

1. Read his post
2. Read my post
3. Try to figure out what the connection is between the two

*It may help here to get out the crayons and construction paper and make a little diagram. This may help you to visualize connections that may not be obvious at first site.*

4. Make another post that doesn't paint you as a poorly equipped rhetorician.

 

[happy medium]

Having to buy TWO video cards to use "features" allegedly available using just ONE is a good thing?

If you want to use one card buy a gtx470/480. But Ive noticed that 2 gtx 460's are cheaper and faster ,thats why I used it as an example.

My point was YOU have no choice if you buy a ATI card AND want to use these features.

So in short a gtx 460 is 8% slower, runs just as cool, is just as silent, uses only 12 watts more, ANd gives you a choice in the future for better physx visuals, 3d gamplay,VLC acceleration, better tessellation performance, CUDA, better folding@home performance, ANd MOST important cost less! vs a 5850.
A 5830? forget about it.

Whats not to like about the gtx 460? It's almost a no-brainer.

 

[Absolution75]

LOL

You want an HD5830 (that fits nicely between a 4890 and a 4870) for $125? Not asking for much, are you?

$175 is just right at this point in time.




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I would consider his post pretty valid actually. The HD4890 cost around $175, over a year ago though. It could be had for just under $130 (After rebates). I would expect prices to drop at least a little bit. . . I wouldn't pay more than $150 for the HD5830. $125 seems pretty reasonable considering [correct me if I'm wrong] it runs hotter/louder than an HD4890 - and a little bit slower.

 

[happy medium]

I would consider his post pretty valid actually. The HD4890 cost around $175, over a year ago though. It could be had for just under $130 (After rebates). I would expect prices to drop at least a little bit. . . I wouldn't pay more than $150 for the HD5830. $125 seems pretty reasonable considering [correct me if I'm wrong] it runs hotter/louder than an HD4890 - and a little bit slower.

No ,The only way for the 5830 to be 150$ is a 5770 price drop.

I can't believe you guys are STILL comparing the "hot, loud, power hungry, directx 10 cards of a year ago to the 5000 series.

THE 4890 I believe was the loudest card ever, as per ANAND REVIEW.

On the other hand the gtx460 is faster then the 339$ (lowest price I seen)gtx285, for only 230$.

 

[manimal]

In regards to ATI not dropping prices enough one has to look at available inventories. Whats the point in selling something at a lower price when it sells at a higher one? My local Frys cannot get enough 5850s. They sellout usually within a day of getting them. If they didnt have the yield issues they did I bet prices would be lower by now.

 

[happy medium]

In regards to ATI not dropping prices enough one has to look at available inventories. Whats the point in selling something at a lower price when it sells at a higher one? My local Frys cannot get enough 5850s. They sellout usually within a day of getting them. If they didnt have the yield issues they did I bet prices would be lower by now.

Yield issues? Na, more like Nvidia is sucking up all the 40nm production.
I geuss mabe there plan is working?