hd5830 is still comming ..About 3 weeks

[tweakboy]

It will probably be 150 bones. That's amazing for the performance. Best bang for the buck... very nice

 

[lavaheadache]

happy medium,

I will say that i do very much want cheaper prices. It's hard for me to justify going the 5870 route given the sheer performance of my 4870x2 and 4870. I could maybe get $400 for my cards. Pretty much making it a zero dollar investment.

I would do it for the power savings alone(I can't have my pc hooked up to my battery back up while gaming, lol) but I feel as though it will be a substantial downgrade in performance. At 2560x1600 and my love for AA, I just can't see myself being satisfied with a single 5870.

I've thought about dual 5850's but I have a big e-peen ego to fill and neutered gpu's kind of bother me. I have an x800 pro that when i think about getting a 5850 I take the heatsink off and look at the laser cut on the gpu. Instantly I forget all about the 5850. =)

 

[toyota]

5850 / 5830

Price ~ 280$ / ~ 225$
gPU 725 / 750
sHADERS 1440 / 1280 (YOU HAD THIS BACKWARDS)
memory both 1000 gddr5
Texture units 72 for the 5850 / 60 for the 5830

15/20% slower is a good guess, for 50$ less money

With this release there still is a good gap between a 5770 and 5830.
I think we will see a 5790 in the future.

60 texture units is not really possible based on their architecture. for 1280SP the only reasonable number of texture units would be 64. I also highly doubt the 5830 would have faster clocks. that just would not makes any sense to take a 5850, reduce the shaders by just 160 but then up the frequency.

 

[toyota]

It will probably be 150 bones. That's amazing for the performance. Best bang for the buck... very nice

why would it be cheaper than a 5770?

 

[MarcVenice]

In holland:

cheapest 5770 1GB = 130 euro's
cheapest 5850 1GB = 230 euro's (most are 240 euro's)

Where will the 5830 end up? My guess would be somewhere around 200 euro's. A bit cheaper then a HD 5830, but a lot more expensive then the HD 5770.

In the USA, at newegg

Cheapest HD 5770 = 160 dollars
Cheapest HD 5850 = 290 dollars

My guess, HD 5830 ends up at 250 dollars.

 

[happy medium]

60 texture units is not really possible based on their architecture. for 1280SP the only reasonable number of texture units would be 64. I also highly doubt the 5830 would have faster clocks. that just would not makes any sense to take a 5850, reduce the shaders by just 160 but then up the frequency.

I wasn't guessing ,I was going by the article I linked and read. It said 60.>?

 

[Imp]

I just gave up on waiting and got a 5770, so whatever. Just hope it doesn't drop the 5770 price too much.

 

[happy medium]

happy medium,

I will say that i do very much want cheaper prices. It's hard for me to justify going the 5870 route given the sheer performance of my 4870x2 and 4870. I could maybe get $400 for my cards. Pretty much making it a zero dollar investment.

I would do it for the power savings alone(I can't have my pc hooked up to my battery back up while gaming, lol) but I feel as though it will be a substantial downgrade in performance. At 2560x1600 and my love for AA, I just can't see myself being satisfied with a single 5870.

I've thought about dual 5850's but I have a big e-peen ego to fill and neutered gpu's kind of bother me. I have an x800 pro that when i think about getting a 5850 I take the heatsink off and look at the laser cut on the gpu. Instantly I forget all about the 5850. =)

I feel your pain there bro. (Your electric bill that is)

Mabe look at it as an investment?
When Fermi does launch ,prices will fall and so will the value of your 4870's. Mabe more so! Get what you can now for those cards before your ego costs you more money :biggrin:
If you can sacrafice a little performance I'd go with a higher end crossfire set up. Last I looked 3 card performance is not all that great in tri -fire anyway.

You never know mabe Fermi will surprize you and you might go that route?

 

[toyota]

I wasn't guessing ,I was going by the article I linked and read. It said 60.>?

yeah I know. I was just saying that those specs can not be correct.

 

[MarcVenice]

yeah I know. I was just saying that those specs can not be correct.

Not completely true. As you can see with the HD 5450, there are 8 texture units, yet there are only 80 streamprocessors. That would usually correspond to 1 simd-engine. But, the HD 5450 (or better said, cedar-gpu) has 2 simd-engines, consisting of 40 streamprocessors each, and each simd-engine has 4 texture units, for a total of 8!

ATI might have waited with the HD 5830, because they felt the shader/texture power would be out of balance, and thus it has more texture units then you would expect.

Or Fudzilla is wrong, which is actually more plausible

 

[toyota]

Not completely true. As you can see with the HD 5450, there are 8 texture units, yet there are only 80 streamprocessors. That would usually correspond to 1 simd-engine. But, the HD 5450 (or better said, cedar-gpu) has 2 simd-engines, consisting of 40 streamprocessors each, and each simd-engine has 4 texture units, for a total of 8!

ATI might have waited with the HD 5830, because they felt the shader/texture power would be out of balance, and thus it has more texture units then you would expect.

Or Fudzilla is wrong, which is actually more plausible

so that would mean 64 or 128 texture units. again 60 texture units are not possible with 1280 shaders based on their current architecture. I guarantee you that it will be 64 texture units if its 1280 sp.

 

[MarcVenice]

so that would mean 64 or 128 texture units. again 60 texture units are not possible with 1280 shaders based on their current architecture. I guarantee you that it will be 64 texture units if its 1280 sp.

True, I didn't do the math, just said that it won't have 64 texture units per se. It won't be less though, that's fore sure. But yes, 64 is by far the most plausible number of texture units.

 

[toyota]

True, I didn't do the math, just said that it won't have 64 texture units per se. It won't be less though, that's fore sure. But yes, 64 is by far the most plausible number of texture units.

they have a pretty big gap between the 800sp 5770 and 1440sp 5850 so it could end up being a 1200sp/60tmu card too.

 

[MarcVenice]

they have a pretty big gap between the 800sp 5770 and 1440sp 5850 so it could end up being a 1200sp/60tmu card too.

The gpu's will be Cypress-chips. They will want to use chips with the least amount of simd-blocks disabled. 1360 would be to close to the HD 5850 to matter, but to me less then 1280 seems to be a waste. At 1280sp's, at a lower clockspeed of a HD 5850, a HD 5830 would beat a GTX 285 by a small margin, beat the HD 4890, and fill the gap.

I suppose I'll just have to wait and see, and keep refreshing amd's ftp

 

[cbn]

People that bought first release HD5850s did so much better than people who waited.

5 months later a HD5830 is only going to cost $45 less than a HD5850 @ release :rollseyes: This assuming HD5830 ends up being $215

 

[SlowSpyder]

I'm pretty sure I am set on a 5850, unless a stellar deal on a 5870 shows up. But, I am tempted to see how the 5830 stacks up. I think the 5830 will be a great card for AMD, it should fill a pretty large hole in AMD's line up. There's a lot of space between the $140 5770 and the $300 5850 as well as a pretty big void in performance that AMD needs to fill with a card that performs somewhere between the two.

The GTX285 is so overpriced it's ridiculous. The 5850 is already faster for $90 less (going by Newegg prices). I imagine the 5830 will give you right around GTX285 performance for well over $100 less.

I hear people complain here that the 58xx cards are overpriced, but when you look at the GTX285 they seem to be bargain priced. A 5870 can be had for the same price as a GTX285. Which would you rather have? I don't see how Nvidia can keep the GTX285 prices so absurdly high...

 

[Tab]

Heh. Looks like this card comes out right when we see actual GTX 470/480 benchmarks.

 

[cbn]

Heh. Looks like this card comes out right when we see actual GTX 470/480 benchmarks.

After these release I think we could see some good price wars in the following months.

In fact, if ATI really does plan on a early release for HD6870 we might see some real heated compeition in 2010 (assuming TSMC is able to actually produce enough quantities)

 

[Apocalypse23]

We will see how much they should have been when they get some competition from Nvidia and there price drops. Unless they sell at a loss.
Just like last round, Nvidia had the faster cards and charged a premium for it.
Ati launched with cheap prices and prices dropped accross the board with the gtx series.

Heres to cheap 250$ 5850's.:awe:

I've got a weird feeling about the new Fermi chips, I'm thinking the GTX 470 and 480 will be the only real performance champs perhaps, but at a price of maybe $700(480) and $500(470), but the GTX 370 and 380s may be a revision of their predecessors...price range could be $300 (380) and $200 (370)...but this is all speculation.....

I expect the 480 and 470 to compete with or beat the 5890 and 5870 cards...How they are in terms of power consumption and heat will also be something to note...

 

[ronnn]

Not totally thrilled with defective chips being cut down, but at the right price.....

Or better yet, some competition to greatly reduce the price of the 5850

 

[bryanW1995]

the only reason we think that 58xx is "overpriced" is that amd went too low to start with. they wanted to aggressively grab market share, didn't take into account tsmc's ineptitude, and assumed that nvidia wouldn't be 7-8 months late to the party. Oops, sorry, is it ok to say that nvidia is late now?

 

[Xcobra]

the only reason we think that 58xx is "overpriced" is that amd went too low to start with. they wanted to aggressively grab market share, didn't take into account tsmc's ineptitude, and assumed that nvidia wouldn't be 7-8 months late to the party. Oops, sorry, is it ok to say that nvidia is late now?

This is what bugs me about people today. Just because we were pampered with low prices doesn't mean it will stay that way. Most of the HD4xxx cards were underpriced imo and people seem to forget that. In no way, I think the HD5xxx series is overpriced. It's just that my wallet is screaming lol.