HD-DVD versus Blu-Ray

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Originally posted by: zinfamous
as to the Lions gate rumors....does this mean my my $100 HD DVD player will be useless in another 4 months?

It won't ever be useless as long as you own HD-DVD movies. It will have significantly less useful value when the Paramount exclusivity agreement dissolves after the 18-month term ends.

I think the $80 I paid for my HD-A2 (and 5 free movies) is well worth the price of admission to watch Transformers in high-definition, even though I own more Blu-Ray movies.

lol... a Jar of spit isn't worth watching Transformers in any format...but that's another argument

but nice job letting that post WHOOSH right by you, by the way, hehe. (read the sentence after the one you quoted, then maybe you'll get it )

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Shawn
The A1 can play every HD DVD out there, including all of the special features. So no, it isn't obsolete, but the Samsung player is. That said, I'd still buy the Samsung if it was about $100 cheaper.

Tell ya what, as long as you guys call profile 1.0 players obsolete, I'm going to call your HD DVD players obsolete because they will all be replaced by Performance Level 2 players in the future.

Yeah, that's right, HD DVD has "profiles" just under a different name. By your logic, the HD-A1, HD-A2, & HD-A3 players are all obsolete too.


But I really don't want to play this pointless, endless name calling game - because I'm fairly certain you guys are intelligent enough to truly know what these terms mean.

 

[PurdueRy]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Shawn
The A1 can play every HD DVD out there, including all of the special features. So no, it isn't obsolete, but the Samsung player is. That said, I'd still buy the Samsung if it was about $100 cheaper.

Tell ya what, as long as you guys call profile 1.0 players obsolete, I'm going to call your HD DVD players obsolete because they will all be replaced by Performance Level 2 players in the future.

Yeah, that's right, HD DVD has "profiles" just under a different name. By your logic, the HD-A1, HD-A2, & HD-A3 players are all obsolete too.


But I really don't want to play this pointless, endless name calling game - because I'm fairly certain you guys are intelligent enough to truly know what these terms mean.

I really was trying to stay out of this one...but come on man. The player can't support a fairly significant feature of future Blu-ray discs. Yes they will play, but then whats the point of those GB of space sitting taken up by something I can't even access?

I would consider it the same case as my receiver. My receiver, the HK AVR-435, has no HDMI. Was it outdated at the time of purchase? No, it did everything I could possible ask it to. All the features were there. But would I buy it now? No! It's pretty clear why; I can't playback HD audio formats with it. Sure, DD and DTS are nice, but it IS obsolete in regards to future formats technology.

So, in the same way, I see nothing wrong with calling this player obsolete. If it won't play the extras of future discs, it lacks features which result in the user not being able to enjoy all the content on the disc.

 

[Thraxen]

Sorry to interrupt this format war... but can anyone tell me if there is a good site out there that keeps track of any good sales/BOGO deals for the HD formats?

Thanks!

 

[superbooga]

Try the forums at AVSForum, Highdefdigest

 

[zinfamous]

yeah, AVS forums have stickied threads updated regularly for deals on BD and HD DVD, in their respective forums.

 

[galperi1]

Amazon.com has added more titles for the B1G1 Blu-Ray Sale FYI.....

115 titles (Warner and Sony)

Sale!

 

[Schadenfroh]

Anyone interested in starting / maintaining our (anandtech) own HD-DVD and Blu-Ray deals thread(s) over in the Hot Deals forum? If so, I will talk to the mods there in Hot Deals to see if we can start new threads there to consolidate HD-DVD (player and movie deals) and (another thread for) Blu-Ray (player and movie deals).
I could link the two threads in the OP of this thread if two of you guys would like to maintain a thread apiece for each format in the hot deals forum.

Also, any objections to reseting this thread since it is getting rather long?

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Sorry to interrupt this format war... but can anyone tell me if there is a good site out there that keeps track of any good sales/BOGO deals for the HD formats?

Thanks!

Blu-ray.com has been posting summary of BD deals on their home page weekly under the heading "Less Green; More Blu" as well as a hot deals section inside the forum.

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=738
http://forum.blu-ray.com/forumdisplay.php?f=49

(I think you can get to that section without signing up for an account)

 

[superbooga]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Sorry to interrupt this format war... but can anyone tell me if there is a good site out there that keeps track of any good sales/BOGO deals for the HD formats?

Thanks!

Blu-ray.com has been posting summary of BD deals on their home page weekly under the heading "Less Green; More Blu" as well as a hot deals section inside the forum.

AVS and Highdefdigest have information on BOTH FORMATS, have more mature posters and better information, and are better than going to a non-official fanboy site (although HD DVD doesn't really have many BOGO sales).

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: superbooga

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Sorry to interrupt this format war... but can anyone tell me if there is a good site out there that keeps track of any good sales/BOGO deals for the HD formats?

Thanks!

Blu-ray.com has been posting summary of BD deals on their home page weekly under the heading "Less Green; More Blu" as well as a hot deals section inside the forum.

AVS and Highdefdigest have information on BOTH FORMATS, have more mature posters and better information, and are better than going to a non-official fanboy site (although HD DVD doesn't really have many BOGO sales).

:roll:

You really don't know anything about the site then.

Which site was it that had to be shut down completely a while ago?



The best part of blu-ray.com is that they do not pretend to be a neutral site. And it's great. If you want to discuss a particular hardware player, you can do so without anyone butting their noses in proclaiming all the hardware obsolete and presenting their top 10 list of why they hate Blu-ray.

 

[superbooga]

The shutdown at AVS was actually the best things to happen. Made things much better.

If I ran a website the first thing I would do is ban anyone who uses the BR abbreviation instead of BD.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Shawn
The A1 can play every HD DVD out there, including all of the special features. So no, it isn't obsolete, but the Samsung player is. That said, I'd still buy the Samsung if it was about $100 cheaper.

:roll:

Get over yourself, because you know exactly what the term obsolete means, and you know exactly why it does not apply to the Samsung players.

I know exactly what the term means, and yes, Profile 1.0 players are obsolete. The only ones that aren't are those which can upgraded to 1.1. Fortunately, that includes the PS3, which is most Blu-ray players.

It'd be OK if it were $99 - $149, but for $299, that's a total joke.

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: superbooga

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Sorry to interrupt this format war... but can anyone tell me if there is a good site out there that keeps track of any good sales/BOGO deals for the HD formats?

Thanks!

Blu-ray.com has been posting summary of BD deals on their home page weekly under the heading "Less Green; More Blu" as well as a hot deals section inside the forum.

AVS and Highdefdigest have information on BOTH FORMATS, have more mature posters and better information, and are better than going to a non-official fanboy site (although HD DVD doesn't really have many BOGO sales).

:roll:

You really don't know anything about the site then.

Which site was it that had to be shut down completely a while ago?

The best part of blu-ray.com is that they do not pretend to be a neutral site. And it's great. If you want to discuss a particular hardware player, you can do so without anyone butting their noses in proclaiming all the hardware obsolete and presenting their top 10 list of why they hate Blu-ray.

The site is a juvenile fanboy site, but to each his own.

I just don't understand how anyone can think a player like the Samsung isn't obsolete. Even the BDA considers it obsolete, as ALL Blu-ray players released since last month and on MUST have the 1.1 feature set. 1.0 players are no longer acceptable... They're only being sold now because the old ones were grandfathered in.

 

[jpeyton]

Originally posted by: Eug
I just don't understand how anyone can think a player like the Samsung isn't obsolete.

Exactly how much profile 1.1 content is on the market right now? How much before the end of the year?

I'm trying to figure out how this Samsung is obsolete when it can play all Blu-Ray content released to date.

 

[superbooga]

One year from now, there will be better players for cheaper. I don't expect any early adapters to hold onto their players for more than a year or two, so buying a Profile 1.0 player is not a terrible choice. You will still be able to watch the main feature, which to some people is enough.

Anyways, the prices of the HD DVD players keep dropping at Amazon. The A30 is $240 and the A35 is $340. Plus, they qualify for the 10 free movies deal.

 

[superbooga]

Eug, 1.0 players like the Sony S500 are still being sold for $500 - $600, so it's not like stores are trying to get rid of all 1.0 players. The Samsung players have always been considered to be sub-standard and have always been the cheapest. They were being sold for $350 - $400 as far back as early November. Samsung probably wants stores to carry the UP5000 instead, so that might explain why they want stores to get rid of the P1400.

 

[cliftonite]

Originally posted by: Eug

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Shawn
The A1 can play every HD DVD out there, including all of the special features. So no, it isn't obsolete, but the Samsung player is. That said, I'd still buy the Samsung if it was about $100 cheaper.

:roll:

Get over yourself, because you know exactly what the term obsolete means, and you know exactly why it does not apply to the Samsung players.

I know exactly what the term means, and yes, Profile 1.0 players are obsolete. The only ones that aren't are those which can upgraded to 1.1. Fortunately, that includes the PS3, which is most Blu-ray players.

It'd be OK if it were $99 - $149, but for $299, that's a total joke.

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: superbooga

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Thraxen
Sorry to interrupt this format war... but can anyone tell me if there is a good site out there that keeps track of any good sales/BOGO deals for the HD formats?

Thanks!

Blu-ray.com has been posting summary of BD deals on their home page weekly under the heading "Less Green; More Blu" as well as a hot deals section inside the forum.

AVS and Highdefdigest have information on BOTH FORMATS, have more mature posters and better information, and are better than going to a non-official fanboy site (although HD DVD doesn't really have many BOGO sales).

:roll:

You really don't know anything about the site then.

Which site was it that had to be shut down completely a while ago?

The best part of blu-ray.com is that they do not pretend to be a neutral site. And it's great. If you want to discuss a particular hardware player, you can do so without anyone butting their noses in proclaiming all the hardware obsolete and presenting their top 10 list of why they hate Blu-ray.

The site is a juvenile fanboy site, but to each his own.

I just don't understand how anyone can think a player like the Samsung isn't obsolete. Even the BDA considers it obsolete, as ALL Blu-ray players released since last month and on MUST have the 1.1 feature set. 1.0 players are no longer acceptable... They're only being sold now because the old ones were grandfathered in.

They are not obsolete if they can still play the movie :roll: Especially if someone who doesnt give a rats ass about PIP and all the other extras buys one knowing it will be cheaper.

 

[cubby1223]

Originally posted by: Eug
I know exactly what the term means, and yes, Profile 1.0 players are obsolete. The only ones that aren't are those which can upgraded to 1.1. Fortunately, that includes the PS3, which is most Blu-ray players.

It'd be OK if it were $99 - $149, but for $299, that's a total joke.

You describe it right in your own words. You believe it's obsolete just because it's expensive. If it were cheap, it would not be obsolete. Your exact works "It'd be OK if it were $99-$149".




We both know what obsolete means, we both know how it properly describes hardware on both sides of the format war - only difference is what *you* type is _different_ from what you *know* to be true.

Well, if you truly believe that the current Blu-ray players are obsolete, then you have a superiority complex. There's nothing more I can say on the subject.

 

[cubby1223]

Alright, too much mud slinging from the red side. Time to just post the current news:

http://www.alleyinsider.com/20...r-hollywood-loses.html
http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/...044229,62035392,00.htm

or, how about the NY Times?
http://www.nytimes.com/paidcon...34.html?ref=technology

 

[superbooga]

Journalists are wrong and misinformed way too often. I remember reading some analyst talking about NVDA and ATI. LOL, the old symbol was ATYT, not ATI, and she though ATI stood for Allegheny Technologies Incorporated.

How many copies of Harry Potter are sold on each format will have a large impact on Warner's decision.

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: cubby1223

Originally posted by: Eug
I know exactly what the term means, and yes, Profile 1.0 players are obsolete. The only ones that aren't are those which can upgraded to 1.1. Fortunately, that includes the PS3, which is most Blu-ray players.

It'd be OK if it were $99 - $149, but for $299, that's a total joke.

You describe it right in your own words. You believe it's obsolete just because it's expensive. If it were cheap, it would not be obsolete. Your exact works "It'd be OK if it were $99-$149".




We both know what obsolete means, we both know how it properly describes hardware on both sides of the format war - only difference is what *you* type is _different_ from what you *know* to be true.

Well, if you truly believe that the current Blu-ray players are obsolete, then you have a superiority complex. There's nothing more I can say on the subject.

Sorry, you're confused. I'm willing to buy obsolete hardware if it's cheap enough.

For example, I just bought a Mac Cube. It's obsolete, but I bought one anyway, just because I happen to like its aesthetics, and because it was cheap. Yes, I can still use OS X with it, but it's slow, and doesn't even have USB 2.0 support. And while it can be made to work with Leopard, it isn't supported by Leopard.

ie. It's obsolete, but the price was right.

The situation with the Samsung is significantly worse. Basic functionality for extras on some discs isn't even supported with it, and never will be. I cannot in good conscience recommend this piece of obsolete hardware to any person entering into hi-def, at least not at the high price of $299. It will p!ss many people off, and it simply gives hi-def a bad name. Hi-def doesn't need that kind of bad PR.

Mind you, if your goal is give Blu-ray a bad rap by recommending the Profile 1.0-limited Samsung, then by all means, go ahead.

 

[Genx87]

If journalists had any idea what they were talking about, HD-DVD would have died last March

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: cubby1223
Alright, too much mud slinging from the red side. Time to just post the current news:

http://www.alleyinsider.com/20...r-hollywood-loses.html
http://www.zdnetasia.com/news/...044229,62035392,00.htm

or, how about the NY Times?
http://www.nytimes.com/paidcon...34.html?ref=technology

I guess I should point out that The NY Times and the ZD Net articles are referencing the exact same article. But since we're posting speculation pieces from analysts/journalists based on very limited info:

MarketWire: TDG's Latest Research Suggests HD DVD May Benefit From Pull of Mainstream HDTV Buyers

"Among HDTV Intenders who are likely to purchase a new high-def DVD player in the next six months, 43% prefer HD DVD, 27% prefer Blu-ray, and 30% are undecided."

 

[PurdueRy]

http://www.amazon.com/gp/featu...301&pf_rd_i=B000TGJ8F8

B1G1 Amazon HDDVD's

 

[Eug]

Originally posted by: PurdueRy
http://www.amazon.com/gp/featu...301&pf_rd_i=B000TGJ8F8

B1G1 Amazon HDDVD's

Unfortunately, there is only one on the list that'd I'd consider. (There are a couple on the list I like, but I already own them.)

Anyways, I still have have the Harry Potter box set, Dawn of the Dead, Battlestar Galactica Season 1, Star Trek Season 1, and the Blade Runner 5-disc set coming. I guess I'll have enough to watch for now.

EDIT:

Warner's quality control leaves much to be desired.

Some of the Blu-ray Harry Potter box sets came with an HD DVD in the set.