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HD-DVD on a 1080i LCD HDTV?

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Haui

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So I have a Panasonic 50" WS 1080i with HDMI. It is a fantastic tv.

Simple question, will adding an HD-DVD player or Blu-Ray player to the mix improve the picture of movies (playing in the respective format) or is this only beneficial with a 1080p hdtv?
 
If it's an LCD it's probably not 1920x1080 but 1366x768 that deinterlaces then downscales 1920x1080i. You will get an improvement from an HD format though. You should set the device to ouput 720p
 
Originally posted by: Queasy
Whether it is 720p or 1080i, you'll see a huge improvement over a 480p DVD.
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So my current dvd player is a Sony 1080i up-convert......are you telling me that this doesnt matter and it still throws it to the tv at 480p widescreen?
 
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
If it's an LCD it's probably not 1920x1080 but 1366x768 that deinterlaces then downscales 1920x1080i. You will get an improvement from an HD format though. You should set the device to ouput 720p
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You meant to say that lcd tv's that advertise 1080i or 1080p really only have 720 lines of resolution?

 
1080i is much nicer than the 480i DVDs you're watching now.

The cheap HD-DVD players are 1080i output anyway, so is cable / satellite programming.

blu-ray, you might try to get in on the $320 walmart deal, though the 40GB PS3 does not play PS2 games, just PS1. $320 deal info inside
 
Originally posted by: Haui
So are these $100 Toshiba hd-dvd players worth it?
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I have yet to watch an HD DVD, but I think I have seen an increase in picture quality with standard def DVDs. Then again, it might just be a false perception. Or maybe just a result of using HDMI cabling instead of the s-video I used before. But for $100...how can you complain?
 
So is blu-ray better? Should I go with a Toshiba HD DVD player for $100? Will it play regular dvd's as well? I hate the battle with bu-ray and hd-dvd though....it drives me nuts!
 
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
If it's an LCD it's probably not 1920x1080 but 1366x768 that deinterlaces then downscales 1920x1080i. You will get an improvement from an HD format though. You should set the device to ouput 720p
Click to expand...
??
You meant to say that lcd tv's that advertise 1080i or 1080p really only have 720 lines of resolution?
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The ones that advertise 1080p usually are.

The ones that advertise 1080i are usually mislabeled and are 1280x720 or 1366x768 panels.

"1080i" Plasmas are also not really 1080i from what I've seen and they either have the same issues with a mislabeled resolution that's closer to 720p, or they may be a resolution closer to 1080p but with non-square pixels which means it does not have the true 1920x1080 resolution of 1080p.

Basically there's two things that are confusing here.

1. Sets may advertise what type of signals they are capable of receiving rather than native resolution

2. Sets may have non-standard resolutions which do not really conform to the labels 720p / 1080p
 
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: Queasy
Whether it is 720p or 1080i, you'll see a huge improvement over a 480p DVD.
Click to expand...

So my current dvd player is a Sony 1080i up-convert......are you telling me that this doesnt matter and it still throws it to the tv at 480p widescreen?
Click to expand...

It up-converts but the source is still 480p. A movie encoded at 1080p down-converted to 1080i still looks miles better than 480p up-converted to 1080i.
 
Originally posted by: Haui
So is blu-ray better? Should I go with a Toshiba HD DVD player for $100? Will it play regular dvd's as well? I hate the battle with bu-ray and hd-dvd though....it drives me nuts!
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The $100 Toshiba should be a very good upconverter making SD-DVDs look pretty good but well made HD-DVDs should be much much better quality and with that player, you'll be able to play them.

Where are you getting the Toshiba for $100 still btw?
 
Originally posted by: Haui
So my current dvd player is a Sony 1080i up-convert......are you telling me that this doesnt matter and it still throws it to the tv at 480p widescreen?
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The data on the DVD is 480i. When you upconvert it doesn't add real information, it just makes up all of the extra pixels by looking at the real pixels around them.

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Also, the native resolution of your TV may really be 720p even if it accepts a 1080i signal. If so, you might try setting the DVD player to output 720p instead of 1080i.


Edit: blu-ray vs. HD-DVD
1. get netflix so you can rent instead of buy.
2. look at what movies and TV shows you want to watch are in which format(s). WB is both, Paramount is HD-DVD, Sony Disney Pixar are blu-ray, etc.
 
Had a PS3 on a 27" 1080i LCD, it was a noticable upgrade from DVD. Just went to a 42" 1080p LCD and you can notice another big leap.
 
Originally posted by: Haui
So is blu-ray better? Should I go with a Toshiba HD DVD player for $100? Will it play regular dvd's as well? I hate the battle with bu-ray and hd-dvd though....it drives me nuts!
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Both the Blu-Ray and HD DVD players will play regular DVDs.

I completely agree that the Blu-Ray/HD DVD battle is nonsense. They had an opportunity to work things out before either format was released but chose not to. I'm sitting out for now.
 
Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
Originally posted by: techs
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
If it's an LCD it's probably not 1920x1080 but 1366x768 that deinterlaces then downscales 1920x1080i. You will get an improvement from an HD format though. You should set the device to ouput 720p
Click to expand...
??
You meant to say that lcd tv's that advertise 1080i or 1080p really only have 720 lines of resolution?
Click to expand...

The ones that advertise 1080p usually are.

The ones that advertise 1080i are usually mislabeled and are 1280x720 or 1366x768 panels.

"1080i" Plasmas are also not really 1080i from what I've seen and they either have the same issues with a mislabeled resolution that's closer to 720p, or they may be a resolution closer to 1080p but with non-square pixels which means it does not have the true 1920x1080 resolution of 1080p.

Basically there's two things that are confusing here.

1. Sets may advertise what type of signals they are capable of receiving rather than native resolution

2. Sets may have non-standard resolutions which do not really conform to the labels 720p / 1080p
Click to expand...
thanks

 
Originally posted by: Haui
Originally posted by: Queasy
Whether it is 720p or 1080i, you'll see a huge improvement over a 480p DVD.
Click to expand...

So my current dvd player is a Sony 1080i up-convert......are you telling me that this doesnt matter and it still throws it to the tv at 480p widescreen?
Click to expand...

up convert players do not increase detail. they just move the resize stage from the tv to the player decoder earlier in the stage so theres less or no quality loss . either way the tv's gotta make the image fit its pixels. the upconvert just makes it easier.

are the $100 hddvd players worth it? yes of course
 
The Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD Player would actually be a great fit for you because it doesn't do 1080p.

at $100 you cant go wrong no matter how the battle unfolds, unless of course you are the type that buys every DVD that comes out.

 
Originally posted by: Tylanner
The Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD Player would actually be a great fit for you because it doesn't do 1080p.

at $100 you cant go wrong no matter how the battle unfolds, unless of course you are the type that buys every DVD that comes out.
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For crying out loud!

If you have a 1080p set and you have an A2, you're going to get a 1080p picture.
 
Originally posted by: Tylanner
The Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD Player would actually be a great fit for you because it doesn't do 1080p.

at $100 you cant go wrong no matter how the battle unfolds, unless of course you are the type that buys every DVD that comes out.
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with bios update i believe its 1080p
 
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Tylanner
The Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD Player would actually be a great fit for you because it doesn't do 1080p.

at $100 you cant go wrong no matter how the battle unfolds, unless of course you are the type that buys every DVD that comes out.
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with bios update i believe its 1080p
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got a link to that? i havent seen anything saying it updates it to `080p
 
Originally posted by: nakedfrog
Originally posted by: Haui
So are these $100 Toshiba hd-dvd players worth it?
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I don't think you can find them for $100 any longer...
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Do we think they will be $100 again anytime soon? I can always buy on craigslist or something.
 
Originally posted by: waggy
Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
Originally posted by: Tylanner
The Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD Player would actually be a great fit for you because it doesn't do 1080p.

at $100 you cant go wrong no matter how the battle unfolds, unless of course you are the type that buys every DVD that comes out.
Click to expand...

with bios update i believe its 1080p
Click to expand...

got a link to that? i havent seen anything saying it updates it to `080p
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The update does NOT add 1080p to the HD-A2. The update is compatible with that player and adds other functionality.

 
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