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hd 7950 3gb review.. amd beats fermi to a pulp

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blackened23 said:
IT doesn't work for most games. Guess its nice for those who spend 600$ for a specific 3d vision monitor that only does 1080p (ie junk)
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I'm currently there 🙁

I'm hoping have more GPU power to get 120fps in more games will redeem the purchase. But currently, I'm not buying into the 3D gaming craze.
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Much more developer support for games, better drivers, a useable 3D solution, and the performance to back up the prices.
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1- yes, some bad codded games that even nvidia mid-end card can't play...you are forced to buy it's high ends...awesome :awe:

2-ati drivers used to be shit, they are pretty much equal today

3- already answered by blackened23

4- don't make me laugh
 
Crappy argument. Yesterday's Enthusiast cards become today's Performance as performance increases and, naturally, prices for the same performance decreases or you get more performance for the same price. That point isn't now simply because NVIDIA, as it has been for the past three years, has been late when it comes to adopting new process nodes. When NVIDIA launches their 28nm cards, prices will drop. AMD has adopted a strategy of pricing based on everything else on the market instead of letting manufacturing costs dictate it. Right now, AMD is making huge margins on the 7970 since it costs less to manufacture than the
580 and has a higher ASP, and there's nothing wrong with that given it's priced right compared to current offerings.
 
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Eugene86 said:
What boggles my mind about the 7950 is that after reading anandtech's review of the card, I noticed that in Battlefield 3 the 7950 just barely scrapes past the GTX570 in performance with an increase of 2-5 fps at most.

Last gen performance and next gen prices? Sign me up!

NOT.
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Good observation. And if you think about it if NV simply pull a cheap ass die shrink GTX570 in 28nm and up the clocks from 730mhz to 900mhz, it will be a tiny mainstream part (about half the die size) that equal the 7950 in performance. AMD beats Fermi into a pulp? really?
 
WMD said:
Good observation. And if you think about it if NV simply pull a cheap ass die shrink GTX570 in 28nm and up the clocks from 730mhz to 900mhz, it will be a tiny mainstream part (about half the die size) that equal the 7950 in performance in one game. AMD beats Fermi into a pulp? really?
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Fixed that for you. 😉

No doubt the 7950 is overpriced, but that's because the 580 is still overpriced.
 
3DVagabond said:
Not sure why that matters? It's the first "next gen" in a while that used less power than the "last gen".
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the 7900s are actually using more power under load than their respective 6900s...


blackened23 said:
What I want to know is

1) Why was 7950 allowed to have non ref designs from the get go and not 7970?

2) Why aren't they releasing a 1.5gb version now

3) Seems backwards to make non ref 7950 but only ref 7970s arghh (guess i'm going water)

Seems like a good card, still cheaper than gtx 580. but I bet a 399$ 1.5gb version would sell like hotcakes, I wonder why AMD didn't release that version?
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obviously AMD wants to increase the gap between low and high end by making it easier for AIB partners to favor the 7970 and relatively neglect the 7950 (AT's generally negative review of the XFX BEDD 7950 reflects that thus far), as well as make sure that anyone going water will likely go with a reference 7970 instead, which is more money for both AMD and the partners.

Basically I think AMD has learned their lesson, the 5850 and especially the 6950 were simply too good for the consumer, and while they certainly helped boost AMD's reputation amongst enthusiasts, AMD would rather we be making more money, not only on a much more expensive 7950 (relative to 5850/6950), but to be encourage consumers to spend even more money on their highest end part as its only $100 more.

We're a far cry from the days of the $260 5850 smashing the GTX285. The 7950 is certainly more than a fair deal, but for $450 and losing in some situations to the 580, its simply not the same. And its probably all for the better as it means we're finally seeing some excellent competition the likes of which we really haven't seen since the days when ATI first started to truly make some noise with the 9700 Pro.

Granted, on the other side of the coin they are leaving quite a bit of room for the 7800s, which could very well end up being even better parts for their generation than the 6800s were.
 
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Have any of you ever complained about gas prices, price of a car at a dealership, or anything else?

Well don't do that again. It's in those companies best interests to do so. It's also in AMD's best interest to charge every last penny they can and stagnate the price/performance increases we've seen since the beginning of computing.

How dare any of you complain about this.
 
tviceman said:
What? Who is talking about Nvidia's pricing? Not me. Care to stick within the scope of the conversation?
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The pricing only sucks because there's no competition.
Hence how NV kept the GTX580 at $500 for a year. There was no competition.

The pricing sucks because they can get away with it.
When they can't get away with it, the pricing will be the same. NV pricing is a required part of the conversation, because NV pricing along with AMD pricing drives the market.

By talking about AMD pricing you are inherently talking about NV pricing.
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Whether you want to accept it or not nvidia is a premium company. Much more developer support for games, better drivers, a useable 3D solution, and the performance to back up the prices. Whether you accept it or not it's true. We can pull up quarterly reports if you'd like. People vote with their wallets and agree they are worth the premium.
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Wow. This explains a lot. So you think nvidia cards should just be more expensive? And you were talking about how it's bad for consumers that AMD price their cards so high, but nvidia are allowed to and its ok? You can't prove any of what you said here. A better 3D solution is all they have and I don't care about 3D cause it just gives me Headaches. Multi-monitor is what I care about and I'll pay a premium for that. Overclockability is something I care about and I'll pay a premuim for that.

So you would buy a card that is worse in every metric just cause you think nvidia is a premium company? They haven't had the fastest card since the GTX295 so I don't know what your talking about in that regard. People like you who buy cards based on brand and not performance are the ones hurting consumers.

As for drivers. Look at nvidia's latest driver release.
http://forums.guru3d.com/showthread.php?t=358025

But go ahead and pay more for a slower card just cause you think their drivers are better. 3D is one thing, but claiming nvidia is a better company by using all the reasons you made up reeks of fanboyism.
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Whether you want to accept it or not nvidia is a premium company. Much more developer support for games, better drivers, a useable 3D solution, and the performance to back up the prices. Whether you accept it or not it's true. We can pull up quarterly reports if you'd like. People vote with their wallets and agree they are worth the premium.
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Fanboyism in its purest form lol.
OILFIELDTRASH said:
Can't remember ever being this disappointed at a next gen launch. Okay maybe Bulldozer. lol

Same company. Coincidence? I dunno.

Can't wait for the 7870 launch when you get 6970 performance at the same price. Oh wait power consumption will be better. Man imagine those pennies you'll save over the life of the card.
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Everything you post is crap. :thumbsdown:
Termie said:
AMD's attempt to lift its stock prices on the backs of its enthusiast GPU users will backfire.
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Hey, what will be the score in the Superbowl this year?

Premium prices on premium products has sure seemed to work well in the past, so why will it fail for AMD this time?
 
A couple of things here:

1) Not sure how 7950 'beats the 580 to a pulp'. We are talking like 10% and trading blows in some gams.
2) Not sure how AMD is going to sell these at this price. If I am going to spend $459 on a 7950, what is another $90 bucks to have the full fledged 7970? I guess I don't see how the 7950 is 'special'. It needs to be priced at $399.
3) Not sure how nVidia is going to sell their overpriced 580 GTX. That thing needs to drop down to $349 if they want to sell them. Heck, maybe even $329 because of rather large power consumption difference.

I'll hole back a few months and see where the prices settle. The 7970 is an awesome card, but I can't really drop $550 on it when it really looks like nVidia might have something to counter in the next 2-3 months.

I am also waiting for IB anyway, so by the time IB comes out, nVidia shoudl have something ready. If anything, maybe we can catch some better prices.
 
AnandThenMan said:
Fanboyism in its purest form lol.

Everything you post is crap. :thumbsdown:

Hey, what will be the score in the Superbowl this year?

Premium prices on premium products has sure seemed to work well in the past, so why will it fail for AMD this time?
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So it's already resorted to personal attacks?

Sorry my opinion doesn't match yours. Next time try to form an opinion and make a counter argument rather than working up a few brain cells to make personal attacks.
 
OILFIELDTRASH said:
So it's already resorted to personal attacks?
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It's not a personal attack. I find 99% of your posts dripping with fanboyism, and your only intent seems to be to denigrate anything AMD does. I am attacking your message, which is extremely anti-anything-AMD, go Nvidia rah rah. On top of that, you use the worst possible pricing comparisons, I have quite a lot of video cards I got for nothing, can I use those to point out what a terrible value your hardware is?

Stop making stupid posts and I'll stop calling you out on them.
 
I'm going to laugh in a few months when NV releases their 28nm high end card and it beats the 7900 series handily. AMD will have to drop prices to compensate, and everybody who bought a 7900 at current prices start to moan and whine. That is, unless NV prices their new cards at $600 - $700. They wouldn't do that, would they? <cold shiver goes up spine>
 
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OILFIELDTRASH said:
Have any of you ever complained about gas prices, price of a car at a dealership, or anything else?

Well don't do that again. It's in those companies best interests to do so. It's also in AMD's best interest to charge every last penny they can and stagnate the price/performance increases we've seen since the beginning of computing.

How dare any of you complain about this.
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I most certainly do complain about those things, for example at the gas station I complain about the cost of gas and might even go into a political tirade about how it can be fixed.

I also haggle the dealer to try to get a better deal at least on the financing.

You know what I don't do? I don't log into a forum and complain about these things because in the end - if I can't afford gas, I shouldn't be driving, and if I can't afford a new car I shouldn't be at a dealership.
 
lifeblood said:
I'm going to laugh in a few months when NV releases their 28nm high end card and it beats the 7900 series handily. AMD will have to drop prices to compensate, and everybody who bought a 7900 at current prices start to moan and whine. That is, unless NV prices their new cards at $600 - $700. They wouldn't do that, would they? <cold shiver goes up spine>
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Never. nVidia has never released a card over $499. Not the 8800 GTX, not the 8800 GTX ULTRA, not the 280 GTX... NEVER! 😛
 
lifeblood said:
That is, unless NV prices their new cards at $600 - $700. They wouldn't do that, would they? <cold shiver goes up spine>
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No Nvidia would never do that. :sneaky: Just look at history, nope never happened.

I think people need to get out of their heads this notion that a high end card is going to be $300, those days appear to be over. And yes AMD will adjust prices according to what Nvidia releases in the form of Kepler, when that is I wish I knew.
 
lifeblood said:
I'm going to laugh in a few months when NV releases their 28nm high end card and it beats the 7900 series handily. AMD will have to drop prices to compensate, and everybody who bought a 7900 at current prices start to moan and whine. That is, unless NV prices their new cards at $600 - $700. They wouldn't do that, would they? <cold shiver goes up spine>
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Then we'll all be pissed a month after than when AMD releases a GCN chip with a larger die size and higher clocks and makes everything we all own obsolete.

This is computer hardware we're talking about. This happens no matter what and most people with half a brain expect it to happen.
 
VulgarDisplay said:
This is computer hardware we're talking about. This happens no matter what and most people with half a brain expect it to happen.
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Bullplop, I just upgraded my whole system to Sandy Bridge-E, no way in HELL Ivy Bridge or Ivy Bridge-E can be faster and/or cause a price drop on the current hardware I own!
 
lifeblood said:
I'm going to laugh in a few months when NV releases their 28nm high end card and it beats the 7900 series handily. AMD will have to drop prices to compensate, and everybody who bought a 7900 at current prices start to moan and whine. That is, unless NV prices their new cards at $600 - $700. They wouldn't do that, would they? <cold shiver goes up spine>
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1) People always moan and whine, but PC Hardware enthusiasts should know by now that Prices could fall within months.

2) I doubt Nvidia will go higher in Price than the 7970. AMD is certainly losing some Volume with these Prices as it is, going higher makes the Market smaller.
 
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