HD 2900XTX Benches

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HurleyBird

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Originally posted by: Matt2
Originally posted by: HurleyBird
And you do nothing but talk, while never contributing any evidence to your claims. You're telling me my estimates are wrong or out to lunch, but never exactly *why*. I call them like I see them. I have no qualms with calling idiots people idiots when they act the part. I usually even give them three tries to stop being idiots before I say anything derogatory


Fair enough. You're an idiot.

Perhaps I didn't make my previous humiliation of you clear enough. Let's recap:

Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Originally posted by: Matt2
No matter what the methodology of the benches is, or what card they were run against, OC or not, the numbers are what they are. Not impressive.

This quote really speaks for itself.

Although that quote *should* have spoken for itself, you obviously are still at a loss.

The irony is this: You claimed that the DT results still stood as what they were no matter what methodology was used. This is quite obviously untrue. Incorrect methodology will create incorrect benchmarks. It could result in a small change in the numbers, or a very large changes (take, for instance, when DT had to retest the GTS in their first article and ended up doubling its FPS in HL:Ep 1).

You see, I can't just go out and call you an idiot. I need to prove the fact. For example, I can recite the above as proof of your lack of reasoning skills. I can't just go out and say "you're an idiot" without providing any contributing evidence to the fact (like you have just done); that would be stupid.

Here's the beautiful part. You dodge my biting responses not by contributing facts to counter mine, but by focusing on my biting nature. In essence, you argue that my sometimes ad hominem attacks invalidate my carefully reasoned responses. The irony here is that by using this argument you yourself are attacking my position ad hominem, therefore (by your standards, not mine) invalidating your own position!

Ah, the humiliation.
 
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18 pages of garbage. Anybody looking for any information would have to read through a 18 pages with a majority of it being childish discussion. I would like to have a forum of this nature to be edited for informative and interesting information (e.g. ideas to make you think).
 

Cookie Monster

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Originally posted by: mendocinosummit
18 pages of garbage. Anybody looking for any information would have to read through a 18 pages with a majority of it being childish discussion. I would like to have a forum of this nature to be edited for informative and interesting information (e.g. ideas to make you think).

Thats what beyond3d is for.
 

HurleyBird

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The irony here is that the last five posts (counting this one) are also uninformative and, quite frankly, garbage. It's the way forums work. Nay, it's the way the entire internet works. All that it takes is two people disagreeing before you have garbage spewing everywhere.

Then again, one man's trash is another man's treasure. Some people like reading through long winded arguments and whatnot.
 

CaiNaM

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lol.. yea, it's funny. article shows XT/X is disappointing.. out come all the fanboys arguing the #'s are unfair and they will be better.

desperation and wishful speculation..

could it turn out to be true? sure, but it's all congecture at this point. the #'s are what they are. if they are not reflective of actual performance, this will be shown in due time.. sheesh... quit pissin all over yourselves and wait for reviews to hit.
 

ShadowOfMyself

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Originally posted by: Cookie Monster
Originally posted by: mendocinosummit
18 pages of garbage. Anybody looking for any information would have to read through a 18 pages with a majority of it being childish discussion. I would like to have a forum of this nature to be edited for informative and interesting information (e.g. ideas to make you think).

Thats what beyond3d is for.

:thumbsup:
 

jdoggg12

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How much better are the 8800s than they were at launch? Could the 2900s see a decent increase with more mature drivers?
 

gorka

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Originally posted by: mendocinosummit
18 pages of garbage. Anybody looking for any information would have to read through a 18 pages with a majority of it being childish discussion....

...shhhh...people who argue endlessly in forums are more intelligent than the us drones who are simply trying to pick up *useful* information, to decide which card to buy next.

lets be quiet and pray something useful comes out. remember, there's gold in trash. :D

now back to this Jerry Springer thread!

 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Too many emoticons, apoppin. Like some preteen on MSN...

is that the very best you can do?
:thumbsdown:

and *who* is under NDA that is calling the DT numbers BS?
:confused:

and dreddfunk ... i DO believe we have some really bitter AMD former fans posting here now

Heh, I guess there's nothing actually wrong about going emoticon crazy... just is a bit annoying seeing them in every single sentence.

As for NDA guys, there's a poster on Toms' and an ATI guy at, I beleive it was Rage 3D.

Regarding bitter former AMD fans, I suppose there's probably a few, but there's also a lot of people who can't trust the DT numbers as authoritative due to many reasons.

Really, the only responsible thing to do right now is to wait until the NDA lifts.
well ... thanks ...

it is my unfortunate "trademark" ...

and - judging from the past - i would say that the forum is NOT going to do the "responsible thing" ...

why wait when there is fresh kill to be savaged?
:Q

it *appears* that DT's conclusions are accurate ... the GTX is faster than the XTX ...
... how much faster, remains to be seen
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Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
well you have people like apoppin to thank for that.

for informative posts ...

... well, thank you

and i see you decided to stay ... after originally making such a big deal about my 'style'
and "threatening" to take your vast knowledge elsewhere

--you fit right in

:D



 

Zstream

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Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Too many emoticons, apoppin. Like some preteen on MSN...

is that the very best you can do?
:thumbsdown:

and *who* is under NDA that is calling the DT numbers BS?
:confused:

and dreddfunk ... i DO believe we have some really bitter AMD former fans posting here now

Heh, I guess there's nothing actually wrong about going emoticon crazy... just is a bit annoying seeing them in every single sentence.

As for NDA guys, there's a poster on Toms' and an ATI guy at, I beleive it was Rage 3D.

Regarding bitter former AMD fans, I suppose there's probably a few, but there's also a lot of people who can't trust the DT numbers as authoritative due to many reasons.

Really, the only responsible thing to do right now is to wait until the NDA lifts.
well ... thanks ...

it is my unfortunate "trademark" ...

and - judging from the past - i would say that the forum is NOT going to do the "responsible thing" ...

why wait when there is fresh kill to be savaged?
:Q

it *appears* that DT's conclusions are accurate ... the GTX is faster than the XTX ...
... how much faster, remains to be seen
==================
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
well you have people like apoppin to thank for that.

for informative posts ...

... well, thank you

and i see you decided to stay ... after originally making such a big deal about my 'style'
and "threatening" to take your vast knowledge elsewhere

--you fit right in

:D


You know if you stopped using those silly things people would respect you more.

Here are somemore benchmarks More Benchmarks

They are using windows Vista with a few DX10 demo's. No idea about driver settings, I am still looking.

I have a GTX and GTS but I will not touch vista at all. Anyone willing to verify these scores with vista and a GTS/GTX using 1600*1200 8xAA and 16xAF?

Also if you can please download the global illumination demo and test and show us some SS of the test. I would like these verified if possible ASAP so I can say they are fake or possibly correct.
 

aimforsilence

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so amd-ti strikes back it seems... with well? nothing... Weird how the tables turn... and ironic how it turned the way it did

AMD is beating everything in processors and ATi's high end cards destroy Nvidia's... AMD gets a cool idea.. "Let's Buy ATi and become the best company/s ever"
AMD owns ATi... intel says im sick of this ****** and releases Core 2 Duo... AMD lose ****** loads of money because intel now destroy AMD in every respect...
AMD says "if we cant win the processor war... WE'LL WIN THE VIDEO CARD WAR FOR DX10"
nividia releases 8800 GTS/GTX... ATi Release R600 aka HD 2900 XT/XTX... They suck compared to 8800GTX... nvidia win's... and intel wins.. and AMD-TI get owned...


it still baffles me.. but whatever :) i like my 8800/core 2 duo ;)
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: Zstream
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Too many emoticons, apoppin. Like some preteen on MSN...

is that the very best you can do?
:thumbsdown:

and *who* is under NDA that is calling the DT numbers BS?
:confused:

and dreddfunk ... i DO believe we have some really bitter AMD former fans posting here now

Heh, I guess there's nothing actually wrong about going emoticon crazy... just is a bit annoying seeing them in every single sentence.

As for NDA guys, there's a poster on Toms' and an ATI guy at, I beleive it was Rage 3D.

Regarding bitter former AMD fans, I suppose there's probably a few, but there's also a lot of people who can't trust the DT numbers as authoritative due to many reasons.

Really, the only responsible thing to do right now is to wait until the NDA lifts.
well ... thanks ...

it is my unfortunate "trademark" ...

and - judging from the past - i would say that the forum is NOT going to do the "responsible thing" ...

why wait when there is fresh kill to be savaged?
:Q

it *appears* that DT's conclusions are accurate ... the GTX is faster than the XTX ...
... how much faster, remains to be seen
==================
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
well you have people like apoppin to thank for that.

for informative posts ...

... well, thank you

and i see you decided to stay ... after originally making such a big deal about my 'style'
and "threatening" to take your vast knowledge elsewhere

--you fit right in

:D


You know if you stopped using those silly things people would respect you more.

Here are somemore benchmarks More Benchmarks

They are using windows Vista with a few DX10 demo's. No idea about driver settings, I am still looking.

I have a GTX and GTS but I will not touch vista at all. Anyone willing to verify these scores with vista and a GTS/GTX using 1600*1200 8xAA and 16xAF?

Also if you can please download the global illumination demo and test and show us some SS of the test. I would like these verified if possible ASAP so I can say they are fake or possibly correct.
no one cares to have respect from the video trolls

--if one "side" respects you then the other "hates" you ...

this way everyone can hate me ... for an *obvious* "reason" ;)

and *no one* can confirm blogspot.com's benchs

DT is still a *respected* site with much reputation at stake


and it is easy to create a website with accurate GTX/GTX scores to *compare* with XTT scores - if you have nothing at stake
 

swtethan

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Originally posted by: Zstream
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Originally posted by: apoppin
Originally posted by: HurleyBird
Too many emoticons, apoppin. Like some preteen on MSN...

is that the very best you can do?
:thumbsdown:

and *who* is under NDA that is calling the DT numbers BS?
:confused:

and dreddfunk ... i DO believe we have some really bitter AMD former fans posting here now

Heh, I guess there's nothing actually wrong about going emoticon crazy... just is a bit annoying seeing them in every single sentence.

As for NDA guys, there's a poster on Toms' and an ATI guy at, I beleive it was Rage 3D.

Regarding bitter former AMD fans, I suppose there's probably a few, but there's also a lot of people who can't trust the DT numbers as authoritative due to many reasons.

Really, the only responsible thing to do right now is to wait until the NDA lifts.
well ... thanks ...

it is my unfortunate "trademark" ...

and - judging from the past - i would say that the forum is NOT going to do the "responsible thing" ...

why wait when there is fresh kill to be savaged?
:Q

it *appears* that DT's conclusions are accurate ... the GTX is faster than the XTX ...
... how much faster, remains to be seen
==================
Originally posted by: OneOfTheseDays
well you have people like apoppin to thank for that.

for informative posts ...

... well, thank you

and i see you decided to stay ... after originally making such a big deal about my 'style'
and "threatening" to take your vast knowledge elsewhere

--you fit right in

:D


You know if you stopped using those silly things people would respect you more.

Here are somemore benchmarks More Benchmarks

They are using windows Vista with a few DX10 demo's. No idea about driver settings, I am still looking.

I have a GTX and GTS but I will not touch vista at all. Anyone willing to verify these scores with vista and a GTS/GTX using 1600*1200 8xAA and 16xAF?

Also if you can please download the global illumination demo and test and show us some SS of the test. I would like these verified if possible ASAP so I can say they are fake or possibly correct.


I like how in the graph I see that:

HDR+AA gaming that 2900XT cannot beat a single GTS, but Crossfire XT's can beat SLI GTS? How is that possible? (serious sam graph)


http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?cat=grfx&id=474&pagenumber=7

on this graph it shows up to 80% increase in SLI mode, but on the bench you provided, only 50% improvement? Whats going on there? lol

Yes I know they are diffrent benches run on different timedemos BUT there SHOULD be a bigger improvement in SLI than 50%



http://www.tbreak.com/reviews/article.php?cat=grfx&id=474&pagenumber=9

85% improvement in SLI mode vs single in serious sam HDR vs the 39% on the same res and settings as the site you posted ;)
 

fern420

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Originally posted by: mendocinosummit
Is there a way to block certain users in a forum? ^^^^^^

i thought there was a way to add someone to your ignore list and you wont be bombarded with their spam posts but i guess not. i was actually trying to find some useful info, not a cat fight but i dont think these forums are moderated anymore.
 

apoppin

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Originally posted by: fern420
Originally posted by: mendocinosummit
Is there a way to block certain users in a forum? ^^^^^^

i thought there was a way to add someone to your ignore list and you wont be bombarded with their spam posts but i guess not. i was actually trying to find some useful info, not a cat fight but i dont think these forums are moderated anymore.

what "anymore" ? :p

you can ignore/block PMs

you can skip over someone's post
 

Ruptga

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I don't really get why the XTX is so much worse than the GTX, you'd think the 320 shaders vs 96 shaders would count for something. Besides, wasn't AMD supposed to be using SIMD shaders so that they'd be more powerful per-clock? Also I don't understand the core clock vs shader clock thing in G80, how does all this fit together?
 

Nightmare225

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Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
I don't really get why the XTX is so much worse than the GTX, you'd think the 320 shaders vs 96 shaders would count for something. Besides, wasn't AMD supposed to be using SIMD shaders so that they'd be more powerful per-clock? Also I don't understand the core clock vs shader clock thing in G80, how does all this fit together?

The GTX has 128. :disgust:

It's this slide which is scaring me: http://bp2.blogger.com/_BabjUDZIqPw/RjL...I/AAAAAAAAACs/omHwk7C2K8c/s400/004.jpg

If true, and if this represents general DX10 performance, somebody save NVIDIA! :(
 
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Originally posted by: Nightmare225
Originally posted by: ADDAvenger
I don't really get why the XTX is so much worse than the GTX, you'd think the 320 shaders vs 96 shaders would count for something. Besides, wasn't AMD supposed to be using SIMD shaders so that they'd be more powerful per-clock? Also I don't understand the core clock vs shader clock thing in G80, how does all this fit together?

The GTX has 128. :disgust:

It's this slide which is scaring me: http://bp2.blogger.com/_BabjUDZIqPw/RjL...I/AAAAAAAAACs/omHwk7C2K8c/s400/004.jpg

If true, and if this represents general DX10 performance, somebody save NVIDIA! :(

That slide is confusing to me... on the graph itself, the bars represent numbers; however, in the guide below, the numbers are shown as percentage points...

What was the source of that slide? I would like to see what explaination the article provides...

In terms of GTX vs XTX performance, I would like to believe there was something wrong with the article. However, I cannot seem to justify DT purposely manipulating their results or taking PR money from NV. They are (were) a trusted news site; I cannot see them destroying their reputation for a few more page hits.

On a lighter note, it seems that the GTX's 384 bit bus which everyone was complaining about wasn't such a bad idea... if only the same were true for the 8600/8500 series...
 

swtethan

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the baseline (100%) is the lowest # (or the 8800gts i dunno) then it show increase in performance afterwards