HC passes Senate

[Zebo]

Well here we go with a HC bill that forces people to buy a defective and private product. This is like solving homeless problem by making everyone buy a house.

The Republicans could have never gotten away with this - much like Welfare reform they could have never done without Clinton - no a rip-off of that magnitude requires a "Centrist" Democrat.

Next on Obama's Hit List:
"Entitlement Reform" (the reduction of Medicare and Social Security)

Bank on it. If you been following his speeches and his calls to action against them you'd know that.

So disappointed.

 

[Vic]

Health care bad, medicare good!!

 

[Tab]

I think I'm happy, though Obama does have some tough questions as I believe he did promise a public option during his campaign.

 

[Zebo]

You shouldn't be happy about Fascism defined by Mussolini himself as corporate power to demand money from every citizen, enforced by law.

Oh and hell yes he did promise. My second sentence above is his.

But lets look at what he did and see if he really had ANY intention to do a public plan.

1. At the beginning totally removed Single Payer from the agenda and forbidding any discussion of Single Payer when asked about it.
2. Sitting down in smoke filled rooms with insurance companies and big pharma and no members of progressive caucus or any other memeber of the communities that support SP or PO.
3. Forcing Pelosi to remove the Kucinich Amendment after passing on house commitee - never even got voted on by full house despite committee passage.
4. Making reid give everything Lieberman and Nelson wanted.
5. Never taking it to people so the majority who demanded PO or SP could stand with him.

Hell no he didn't and anyone half paying attention could see he was lying in campaign.

 

[Vic]

What's to be happy about? This bill didn't do anything besides tie up Congress and the Senate for 6 months. And next it will tie up the courts for a couple years before the whole thing is watered-down beyond all recognition. But in the meantime, partisans will have plenty to argue about.

 

[Zebo]

What's to be happy about? This bill didn't do anything besides tie up Congress and the Senate for 6 months. And next it will tie up the courts for a couple years before the whole thing is watered-down beyond all recognition. But in the meantime, partisans will have plenty to argue about.

Then it doesn't take effect until Obama is relected so he can run of meme of HC reform before Americans relise what a disaster and expensive way this will effect their lives. Got to hand it Obama - devilishly clever.

 

[Vic]

Then it doesn't take effect until Obama is relected so he can run of meme of HC reform before Americans relise what a disaster and expensive way this will effect their lives. Got to hand it Obama - devilishly clever.

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

 

[Tab]

What's to be happy about? This bill didn't do anything besides tie up Congress and the Senate for 6 months. And next it will tie up the courts for a couple years before the whole thing is watered-down beyond all recognition. But in the meantime, partisans will have plenty to argue about.

If this is indeed a poor move by Obama I'm really concerned about seeing a split with-in the left/progressives/liberals. I can only suspect that the Republican Party will exploit this and put the "teabaggers" in power.

Eek.

 

[Zebo]

If this is indeed a poor move by Obama I'm really concerned about seeing a split with-in the left/progressives/liberals. I can only suspect that the Republican Party will exploit this and put the "teabaggers" in power.

Eek.

Don't worry republicans have zero populism message. Publics cued into their tired old song (tax cuts small govt) which means fuck all in reality. And John Q P knows it. No, I aint worried about Republicans, but "centrist" "third way" democrats.

 

[Pliablemoose]

Christ, this bill is an abortion and many of the provisions don't kick in for years.

Say hello to your new insurance company overlords.

 

[alchemize]

Congrats dems, you passed a bill crappier than Medicare Part D. Way to go, one upping Bush & the repubs on the crap scale!

 

[Cogman]

WhooT, $800 Billion dollars, Just what the economy needed. Lets keep spending till the dollar is worth less then any form of currency on the plant.

 

[Ozoned]

Well here we go with a HC bill that forces people to buy a defective and private product. This is like solving homeless problem by making everyone buy a house.

The Republicans could have never gotten away with this - much like Welfare reform they could have never done without Clinton - no a rip-off of that magnitude requires a "Centrist" Democrat.

Next on Obama's Hit List:
"Entitlement Reform" (the reduction of Medicare and Social Security)

Bank on it. If you been following his speeches and his calls to action against them you'd know that.

So disappointed.

Entitlement Reform (the reduction of Medicare and Social Security) can be accomplished by means testing. The young people entering the labor market shouldn't have to pay for a $60,000 knee replacement for a person sitting on a $1,000,000 retirement nest egg.

Same concept for Social Security.

I think the next target will be big oil. They have some control over us that they shouldn't have.

 

[Ozoned]

I am really interested how the accounting for yearly budgets will be reflected by the provisions of this bill. Will money coming in for 3 years, with little going out be considered revenue? Will the costs of the program be handed to whatever administrations budget that happens to be in at the time they take effect?

 

[ProfJohn]

The Democrats posting in this thread are just as tone deaf as the rest of your party.

The American people are against this bill by huge numbers. According to the latest CNN poll the American people are against the bill 56 to 42.

And when the public option was still on the table the American people were still against the bill.

This bill is going to be a disaster for our healthcare system and a disaster to the Democrats.

BTW the guys at 538 are already saying that generic polling numbers suggest that the Republicans could retake the house next year. It is still early, but the possibility is certainly there.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/generic-house-polling-suggests.html

 

[ProfJohn]

I am really interested how the accounting for yearly budgets will be reflected by the provisions of this bill. Will money coming in for 3 years, with little going out be considered revenue? Will the costs of the program be handed to whatever administrations budget that happens to be in at the time they take effect?

The same way our government handles all of its money.

It will be placed into a big pile and spent on whatever congress wants it spent on.

 

[spidey07]

Passing something when nobody is paying attention on christmas eve that 60% of people reject. This should tank obama's approval even further. The people do not want this.

My paper called it a win for obama, the people view it as a loss.

 

[umbrella39]

The Democrats posting in this thread are just as tone deaf as the rest of your party.

The American people are against this bill by huge numbers. According to the latest CNN poll the American people are against the bill 56 to 42.

And when the public option was still on the table the American people were still against the bill.

This bill is going to be a disaster for our healthcare system and a disaster to the Democrats.

BTW the guys at 538 are already saying that generic polling numbers suggest that the Republicans could retake the house next year. It is still early, but the possibility is certainly there.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/2009/09/generic-house-polling-suggests.html

There is no senate race! Right! /rollseyes and bookmarked Face facts.

 

[Genx87]

I think I'm happy, though Obama does have some tough questions as I believe he did promise a public option during his campaign.

He never did that.

 

[Jaskalas]

Passing something when nobody is paying attention on christmas eve that 60% of people reject. This should tank obama's approval even further. The people do not want this.

My paper called it a win for obama, the people view it as a loss.

Always good to see the media siding with the people...

 

[Robor]

Passing something when nobody is paying attention on christmas eve that 60% of people reject. This should tank obama's approval even further. The people do not want this.

My paper called it a win for obama, the people view it as a loss.

I'm pretty sure people were paying attention. I caught the news on Yahoo at just after 7am yesterday.

 

[SparkyJJO]

What a wonderful Christmas present..... D:

I hope that they won't be able to reconcile the two (or more?!) versions of the bill between the house and senate, and hope they all get booted out of office next year in the senate elections.

It couldn't have been more partisan though. Straight down the party lines. At first I thought hey some of the democrats have a little bit of a brain... but then, all they had to do was dangle incentives and money to buy out the few that were balking. Bought them out. Idiots.

What we need is people with true morals, real brains, some common sense, and heck some basic math skills in office. Right now, what we have are a bunch of greedy, self-serving, practically communist morons running this nation.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Christ, this bill is an abortion and many of the provisions don't kick in for years.

Say hello to your new insurance company overlords.

But it is exactly what you asked for. No, not what you wanted, but you asked for it.
Life sucks, eh?

You are a health care provider. You've seen just what headaches Medicaid and other programs are. Why would you expect something better than what they have had for half a century. They are unable or unwilling to fix the most basic problem and you're suprised it's a cluster? I thought I taught you better than that.

 

[Lemon law]

Passing something when nobody is paying attention on christmas eve that 60% of people reject. This should tank obama's approval even further. The people do not want this.

My paper called it a win for obama, the people view it as a loss.

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Earth to spidey 07, you do not speak for the American people and repeating a minority party GOP talking point once more does not make it true.

IMHO the health care bill passed by congress could have been far better, but what we got is better than nothing.

Its just very sad that the GOP was 100% lock step opposed to any health care reform.

But we could have had a much better HC bill if the GOP was willing to contribute as a positive force. But at least this one starts us all out on a better path even though we are
going to have to go and fix missing things like the public option.

 

[SparkyJJO]

How is forcing people to buy insurance (which, by the way, WHERE is the Constitutional allowance for the government to FORCE you to buy something? Hint, IT ISN'T THERE!) and spending MORE money going to fix the issue we have now? Hmm???

It won't. Plain and simple. It is just going to make things worse. This country is already broke and it way too much debt as it is. Spending more, and taxing more, isn't going to fix a thing.