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HBO's "The Night Of" mini-series

I liked the first episode but the first episode has been on HBO go for months so I've been waiting for the next episode in the series for what seems like ages.
 
I think the kid's story is pretty thin.
He passes out, someone sneaks in, murders the girl in the most violent fashion possible, he wakes up to discover the body?
Bitch please.

I think this is going to be a double head fake type story. They give you only the facts that support one theory, then give you more facts to support another only to come back to the first one.
 
So what was the deal with that ending last Sunday. I said this is going to be a double head fake. They have the kid showing his violent, antisocial side. At the same time they're showing how someone could have gotten in (walk-through).

I like the sub-plot with the cat. I hope they use it as part of the story. As a witness maybe.
 
I don't think it won't be the guy they are targeting. I think though, Nas will develop as a character that is more than a simple, afraid kid too naive to survive. He is adapting and is more coming to terms he may not make it through this. All the characters have a good been fantastic in their roles, even the ones that have changed (the girl lawyer is be the naive innocent observer).
 
Freddy sees something in Naz besides an intellectual equal. He's one of those people who can judge someone on sight and what he sees in Naz is someone he can groom as both a companion and business partner.

So again this week we get another indication of a violent past although to hear Naz tell it, the incident was no big deal.

But the most convincing red herring to date is the step father. That is very suspicious and certainly gives him motive as well as means and opportunity. But you still have the problem of the tight time window with Naz as a possible witness. So that's why I'm calling even this a red herring.
 
I was only watching to see what happened to John Turturro's feet, so I don't need to watch anymore.

They get amputated

Charmonium said:
Freddy sees something in Naz besides an intellectual equal. He's one of those people who can judge someone on sight and what he sees in Naz is someone he can groom as both a companion and business partner.

So again this week we get another indication of a violent past although to hear Naz tell it, the incident was no big deal.

But the most convincing red herring to date is the step father. That is very suspicious and certainly gives him motive as well as means and opportunity. But you still have the problem of the tight time window with Naz as a possible witness. So that's why I'm calling even this a red herring.
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I agree it's a Red Herring, but it's pretty compelling. Whoever killed Andrea had to have access to the house as Naz had to break in after he locked himself out. It's also absurd that the detectives and defense team would not have immediately dug deeper into Freddy's story given his obvious motive.

I think in the end, Freddy will be involved, but he will have paid Duane Reade to do it, or the accountant will be involved somehow.
 
I'm not sure what's happening here. Are we being led down a path where we think Naz is really turning into something because of prison or was it already there lurking within as is being alluded to? I mean they show obvious things like him getting his prison tats, running some "business" errands inside, etc. As for his tats, he has "Sin" on one hand but I also noticed on the other he has the word "Bad". So are we going to find out later that his intent all along was to spell out "Sinbad" in some way that will be used later? Probably coincidence but just something I noticed Sunday night.
 
Fingolfin269 said:
I'm not sure what's happening here. Are we being led down a path where we think Naz is really turning into something because of prison or was it already there lurking within as is being alluded to? I mean they show obvious things like him getting his prison tats, running some "business" errands inside, etc. As for his tats, he has "Sin" on one hand but I also noticed on the other he has the word "Bad". So are we going to find out later that his intent all along was to spell out "Sinbad" in some way that will be used later? Probably coincidence but just something I noticed Sunday night.
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I think the show is a lot about we ignore things because of how we initially perceive someone. Nas is a great example. We ignore he stole his fathers can, we ignore he didn't back down to Duane and only notice him doing the exact same thing in the television room in prison. Maybe he is flourishing in prison, rather than being turned bad. Maybe he had a hard life (beaten up and picked on for being Muslim, etc) and simply is that. His Facebook and intro suggests he is okay doing homework for his teammates for something in return. Maybe he is really good at playing the fool? That doesn't mean anything in terms of the murder though, which is good, as it simply makes for an interesting character similar to Tuturo.
 
My wife and I are really enjoying this one too. So many red herrings thrown around it's impossible to guess where the story is going.
 
This is really in the tradition of some of the best English murder mysteries. You have multiple suspects each with a plausible or even compelling reason for committing the crime. It's not perfect by any means but it's very good. What I mean is that you can find problems with each of the suspects, Naz included. In most English murder mysteries that I've seen they tend to save the facts creating doubt for when they want to rule someone out. Here they just let the doubt hang in air like a rancid fart. I sort of like this approach. We farted on you now sniff it - SNIFF IT!!!!

One of the best scenes was in the gym with the trainer/gigilo. Another was where the old lady tries to pick him up while he's interviewing her. Classic.

Right now they seem to be going in multiple directions and doing a pretty good job of it. They're creating reasonable doubt by bringing us believable alternate suspects but at the same time they're developing Naz as the latent criminal/sociopath.

I think this is one of the best series I've seen in a while.
 
Charmonium said:
This is really in the tradition of some of the best English murder mysteries. You have multiple suspects each with a plausible or even compelling reason for committing the crime.
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Yeah, there are some plausible alternatives to the defendant, but they've been weakly developed. I suppose they've put some effort into the stepdad, but so far he just looks like a sleazebag, not necessarily a murderer. That will obviously play itself out in the finale, but if any of them turn out to be the killer, they're going to have to scramble to make it work in just one more episode.

I have a feeling right now that what will happen is that Naz will be convicted, but there may be some doubt left about his guilt. And that an important aspect of his being led away to spend the rest of his life in prison will be that he's now well prepared for it by his time at Rikers. I don't think that could be emphasized too strongly - he's already resigned himself to spending the rest of his life in prison.

Actually, I'm beginning to hope that the outcome is along those lines, rather than some sort of Perry Mason courtroom resolution of the case. One thing they've hinted at throughout the series is that Naz has been gradually recalling bits and pieces of the night. I'll bet we see some more of these memories revealed, possibly even the murder.
 
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There's only one more episode? Wow. Didn't realize that. Yeah, they were pretty slow to start developing other story lines. But I liked where they seemed to be going with it.

My guess is that Naz is convicted but I wouldn't rule out a hung jury. Remember that speech by Tunturo about only needing one juror to believe them. I think that would be the outcome people least expect and it would be consistent with the sort of ambivalence we've seen so far in terms of not explicitly favoring any particular suspect.

That would give them the chance to pick up right where they left off next season. I don't think they brought Freddy/Omar (guy from The Wire) in for just one season. So I think one way or another we're going to be back at Rikers.
 
I think the other people are merely going to be used for reasonable doubt. We won't know whether Naz did it or not, just that there was plausible and available suspects that could have done it, much like with real murder mysteries.
 
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