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JEDI

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The Battle of Winterfell tactics analysed: Crimes Against Medieval Realism

yeah wtf military tactics in ep3+4!!

ep3: dorthracki + Ghost (the dog) being the 1st ones to encounter the White Walker army.
if the red witch didn't show up, how were they going to beat them??
their steel swords were useless. why didn't they have dragonglass?
it made no sense they were the vanguard of the army.
and wtf Ghost being there as well. how was he going to kill them?
wished the show would explain that.

ep4:
what was Dany's plan vs the scorpions?
she must have known Cersai would have a bazillion of them made.
also, how did Euron see the dragons before the dragons saw his fleet???

ugg.. this season has been horrible in terms of the show explaining Dany/Jon's military strategy.
having the viewer think 'wtf that makes no sense' isn't great writing.
 

Skel

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I'm bewildered by the fact that a fantasy show with dragons decided to put suspense over practical war strategies. What were they thinking???
 

Newbian

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ep4:
what was Dany's plan vs the scorpions?
she must have known Cersai would have a bazillion of them made.

How so?

They only mentioned them once when they showed it off breaking a dragons skull.
 

zinfamous

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I'm bewildered by the fact that a fantasy show with dragons decided to put suspense over practical war strategies. What were they thinking???

sure, but part of the issue is that up until now, the show and writing was pretty much grounded in reality when it came to battle tactics and strategy. The human element was always very much real. Just call the Dragons airborne support and there really is no difference.
 

Starbuck1975

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I'm bewildered by the fact that a fantasy show with dragons decided to put suspense over practical war strategies. What were they thinking???
The books, and the heart of the story, centers around the characters and political machinery. The battles are a backdrop, not the focus. GRRM anchored much of his saga to historical realism. I have felt the showrunners were doing a better job of adapting GRRM than Peter Jackson did with Tolkien, but GoT is starting to slide into surf’s up Legolas mode.
 

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I think most of us when considering Melisandre's prophesy think the last one, green eyes, will be Cersei...but...Dani has green eyes too...After last nights episode Im thinking thats a possibility.

Dany has purple eyes in the books but of course not in the show so they could twist the prophesy.
 

Skel

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sure, but part of the issue is that up until now, the show and writing was pretty much grounded in reality when it came to battle tactics and strategy. The human element was always very much real. Just call the Dragons airborne support and there really is no difference.

How can you put realism in a fight with undead soldiers backed by unknown magics?? I have a hard time with putting 'realism' upon this battle as we don't have complete knowledge of the undead army. They kept adding new stuff/powers to the undead army every time we met them. Could this have been filmed better? Sure, but I can't say that the tactics are bad because of the unrealism.. you can't really do realism when one side isn't real and doesn't operate like anything real.

Having said that... still not sure why they put people in the crypt to protect them fighting someone that can raise the dead. Also Dany is an idiot that only gets dragons killed.
 

zinfamous

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How can you put realism in a fight with undead soldiers backed by unknown magics?? I have a hard time with putting 'realism' upon this battle as we don't have complete knowledge of the undead army. They kept adding new stuff/powers to the undead army every time we met them. Could this have been filmed better? Sure, but I can't say that the tactics are bad because of the unrealism.. you can't really do realism when one side isn't real and doesn't operate like anything real.

Having said that... still not sure why they put people in the crypt to protect them fighting someone that can raise the dead. Also Dany is an idiot that only gets dragons killed.

well, the way I look at it is this, and it was the first thing that came to my mind when that scene first happened:

OK, why are they doing a cavalry charge to open up this fight? ...so very far from their own army?

Sure, that can work if you expect your cavalry to break those infantry lines and get a good part of that army to flee in terror...but undead don't flee in terror. They don't care. Those things will run into, swarm on, and surround your cavalry--the exact opposite of what you want from an opening cavalry charge, right?

So, you can mix the fantasy with the real and still maintain logic and by doing so, criticize some stupidity in the writing. Sure, the undead aren't real, but it's suspension of disbelief: you take the world for what it is presented to you, and that is the reality and the logic that you deal with. You can work within that reality and question when such things are still quite stupid. ...there was also the gross underutilization of the dragons from the start, and of course the castle itself.

I think what people are saying about the earlier seasons vs these last two or three is very relevant: the fat man never wrote battle scenes or spent time on it. It was all about the aftermath, the setup, the politics. The earlier seasons did exactly that, and they were brilliant. Now, when you axe a lot of the intrigue and instead focus a lot of screen time on elaborate, expensive battles, you lose what the show was. ...it's not that I don't mind large exciting battles that are visually satisfying--I do enjoy them very much, regardless of whatever criticisms--it definitely changes the show and what we've come to expect. I thought the Battle of the Bastards was pretty awesome, but the Winterfell one...eh. All I keep coming back to is that the plan all along was to just kill all your own people in order to coax the Nightking out onto the field and engage Bran? That's what I tell myself, anyway. If you're strategy is to decimate your own army for a one shot chance to kill all of the enemy, then I guess they succeeded?
 
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<snip>.... If you're strategy is to decimate your own army for a one shot chance to kill all of the enemy, then I guess they succeeded?

While they did "succeed" I guess, but it was pure dumb luck. Their plan didn't work. Arya bailed them all out.
 

JEDI

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How so?

They only mentioned them once when they showed it off breaking a dragons skull.
What?
Her dragon got hit in the shoulder by the scorpion at highgarden.

And Jaime was leading that army against her.
So Jaime could have given Dany some strategy against it.
 
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JEDI

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I get the feeling that Bron will never get his Castle because:
He will die.
Or
The person who promised him the Castle dies
 

Aikouka

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Welp, since Arya's green-eyed target wasn't Cersei, there's one more left... and I get the feeling Arya isn't a huge fan of her right now.
 

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Welp.. figures... 2 Episodes left, in coordination with preparing for the last episode next week - I knew a shitload had to die this week.
 

destrekor

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Leeroy Jenkins never gets old. There's one in every group regardless of the game.

Eh, I think this time she had surprise, angle, and speed. If anything I think reload times and adjustments were made more realistic this episode lol so yes that'd be a Nerf to correct the OP buffs they were first given.

Coming in from nearly straight up in surprise, caused a delay to adjust aims and also might make calibrating shots for the high speed dive downward difficult, plus perhaps easier to dodge? Once she got down low, tore some up then got behind them it was game over at that point. Not to mention when you see so many of your fellow ships getting destroyed so easily, I imagine the pressure gets to cause some coordination issues during reload and aiming.

While Scorpions are highly effective defense weaponry --at least in their day -- they could never keep up high speed flying in a large 3D space surrounding them. Remember that such weapons were never developed as anti-air weaponry, there was nothing that flew. The mechanisms and realities of weaponry before guns of any kind would seem to make them far too cumbersome to truly defend against something equivalent to modern close air support attack aircraft (think: A-10).
 
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