HBO's Game of Thrones season 6 discussion thread- airing 4/24/16 (No book spoilers)

[Thebobo]

I found the episode kinda boring till the end.

 

[Mayne]

I think we can all agree that Night King was a red herring and Cersei is the final bitch to take down.

 

[kn51]

I think we can all agree that Night King was a red herring and Cersei is the final bitch to take down.

You might be right, I don't think most of us thought about that.

 

[Mayne]

You might be right, I don't think most of us thought about that.

well we have 3 episodes to realize it now

 

[Mayne]

just hope to fuck that it takes place during the day time.

 

[Paratus]

just hope to fuck that it takes place during the day time.

Well I couldn’t believe that shot with the Nights King:

Or That dragon battle!

 

[zinfamous]

I mean it doesn't have to be "proper". I would settle for "only mildly idiotic" but we didn't even reach that

sometimes in life we just ask for too much.

 

[zinfamous]

I think services like Netflix and Amazon Prime Video have really spoiled us in regard to visual quality, because HBO NOW looked pretty poor throughout the stream. There was noticeable blocking throughout the dark scenes to the point where I was wishing the content was available in UHD with HDR.

Spoiler

Yeah, some of their tactics never really made much sense. I don't know if they just completely misunderstood the size of the enemy forces, but the blind charge in the dark was a huge mess. The Unsullied were so poorly equipped to fight against a horde of enemies. I mean... if a wight slams himself into your spear, you're pretty much encumbered until it dissipates or collapses until you can fight another person, and in that time, another wight has attacked you. Heck, people with bladed weapons were doing better, but even they had trouble just dealing with the sheer numbers.

On that note, why did the Red Woman have to light the moat when Jon was sitting on the dragon right by the moat? He could've been all "lemme get that for ya". On that note, what happened to Jon's dragon? It took some damage when fighting against the undead Viserion, but it just sort of disappeared after that. I'm assuming it didn't die, or else the Night King would've risen it from the dead.

As for the Night King's demise, the showrunners specifically said that Arya had to stab him with Valerian Steel in the same spot where the Children of the Forest stabbed him (the heart). Given that, I wish Theon would've gotten one last hurrah (i.e. not just charging like a Dothraki), pulled the spear out of him, and stabbed the Night King with it. Theon would've thought that he got the Night King, but then we'd see that the Dragon Glass had no effect on him. My only reservation with doing that to viewers is that we already kind of did that with the dragon's fire earlier.

I was watching HBO through Amazon live and I couldn't see shit.

and yeah, I was actually hoping that, as we saw Theon still squirming a bit, he'd get to plunge that spear into the Night King's crotch as he walked by. Would have been satisfying.

 

[zinfamous]

just hope to fuck that it takes place during the day time.

Well, the Long Night has ended, I believe.

 

[railer]

Just finished watching. I found the ending to be unsatisfying and rather gutless. Feels more like a Harry Potter ending than a GOT ending. Hopefully there's some redemption in the last 3 episodes. Something more than "....and they all lived happily ever after..."

 

[T_Yamamoto]

that episode was great.

it being dark was alright because...well...it was at night

interested to see what the remaining character list is.

 

[woolfe9998]

I liked the episode, dark lighting not withstanding. I was only confused in a few bits, like inside the crypt.

I still don't understand why the strategy wasn't to send both dragons out long before the dead army even got there, and keep torching them and torching them until there was no army left but the Night King himself.

Probably because it would have been boring more than because it wouldn't have worked.

 

[Newbian]

I liked the episode, dark lighting not withstanding. I was only confused in a few bits, like inside the crypt.

I still don't understand why the strategy wasn't to send both dragons out long before the dead army even got there, and keep torching them and torching them until there was no army left but the Night King himself.

Probably because it would have been boring more than because it wouldn't have worked.

The issue is we have seen the dragons can be taken out with a simple ice spear and the night king was able to limit the dragons usefulness with his weather magic.

 

[WelshBloke]

The issue is we have seen the dragons can be taken out with a simple ice spear and the night king was able to limit the dragons usefulness with his weather magic.

Plus I guess its pointless to kill the dead army if the night king doesnt turn up. If the battle went badly he could just slink off and raise another one.
On that point everyones opinions on tactics really dont matter. Theres no way to win a battle against a limitless dead army that has your fallen comrades join it.

 

[Skel]

I think services like Netflix and Amazon Prime Video have really spoiled us in regard to visual quality, because HBO NOW looked pretty poor throughout the stream. There was noticeable blocking throughout the dark scenes to the point where I was wishing the content was available in UHD with HDR.

Spoiler

Yeah, some of their tactics never really made much sense. I don't know if they just completely misunderstood the size of the enemy forces, but the blind charge in the dark was a huge mess. The Unsullied were so poorly equipped to fight against a horde of enemies. I mean... if a wight slams himself into your spear, you're pretty much encumbered until it dissipates or collapses until you can fight another person, and in that time, another wight has attacked you. Heck, people with bladed weapons were doing better, but even they had trouble just dealing with the sheer numbers.

On that note, why did the Red Woman have to light the moat when Jon was sitting on the dragon right by the moat? He could've been all "lemme get that for ya". On that note, what happened to Jon's dragon? It took some damage when fighting against the undead Viserion, but it just sort of disappeared after that. I'm assuming it didn't die, or else the Night King would've risen it from the dead.

As for the Night King's demise, the showrunners specifically said that Arya had to stab him with Valerian Steel in the same spot where the Children of the Forest stabbed him (the heart). Given that, I wish Theon would've gotten one last hurrah (i.e. not just charging like a Dothraki), pulled the spear out of him, and stabbed the Night King with it. Theon would've thought that he got the Night King, but then we'd see that the Dragon Glass had no effect on him. My only reservation with doing that to viewers is that we already kind of did that with the dragon's fire earlier.

Spoiler

Jon was on the other side of the castle and prob didn't know they couldn't light it.. more so I'm not sure he realized that Dragon Queen couldn't see the signal.

 

[woolfe9998]

Plus I guess its pointless to kill the dead army if the night king doesnt turn up. If the battle went badly he could just slink off and raise another one.
On that point everyones opinions on tactics really dont matter. Theres no way to win a battle against a limitless dead army that has your fallen comrades join it.

Would take him a long time to raise another threatening army. The Night King was around for what, thousands of years before that happened? He would have to start off killing people himself, one by one. Certainly wouldn't happen again in that winter season. Newbian is correct I guess about the ice spears, but they didn't know about the weather magic until it happened. I think if you have a long range weapon you're going to use it long before the enemy is upon you. If for no other reason to do some hit and runs and reduce their numbers.

 

[Paratus]

So the ending

Spoiler

I assume the shot of the white walker with his hair being blown was Arya
moving at full speed into position to back stab the Night King.

Now earlier we saw that the Night King felt Jon behind him and then turned to raise more wights. So why didn’t they detect Arya?

Am I wrong in thinking it’s because she was “No One” at that point ?

Then of course she flies through the air like an avenging angel. And then the Night King is like DENIED!

Then Arya drops the knife into her other hand and is like

And then we are all like

 

[Skel]

So the ending

Spoiler

I assume the shot of the white walker with his hair being blown was Arya
moving at full speed into position to back stab the Night King.

Now earlier we saw that the Night King felt Jon behind him and then turned to raise more wights. So why didn’t they detect Arya?

Am I wrong in thinking it’s because she was “No One” at that point ?

Then of course she flies through the air like an avenging angel. And then the Night King is like DENIED!

Then Arya drops the knife into her other hand and is like

And then we are all like

Spoiler

He has a perfect sense of dramatic timing. Look at what he did to Theon, or go back to just standing there in the fire. He could have thrown the spear at any point but waited until she was starting to fly off. I figured he knew she was there when she got past the white walker, but she was at full speed that no one could get to her before she leaped.

 

[beginner99]

and compression pixilation

Yeah even the 5 gb web rip had serious issues but then a real 1080p blue ray rip at that length usually is much larger. This episode screams for hdr and 4k which I have + OLED.

Spoiler: SPOILER

The episode was pretty tense and haven't read it yet anywhere but that must be the episode with fewest words spoken in the whole series. A lot was rather predictable.

Dothraki just dying very quickly. Exactly what I expected after they started riding off into darkness. Real damper on morale and the last one at that moment understood they have 0 chance to win. Defense strategy as said obviously shit. But that is true for almost all TV productions including Lord of the Rings.

It become pretty clear pretty fast that the battle will be lost and lost much faster than I expected and it was also clear some form of deus ex machina will be needed to finish the night king and save the night. Lyanna Mormont stabing Giant in the eye was also so predictable. In contrast red lady appearing, helping a lot and actually now to know a lot was a bit surprising and confusing. Why suddenly was she so knowledgeable? Why the whole Stannis thing and burning shireen?

Also obvious was that the night king wouldn't burn. I mean that would have made no sense with still a lot of time left on the episode.

Arya was on the top of my list for killing the night king. i mean it was pretty obvious how here fighting skills were an important aspect and the move with the knife she did once before I think when sparing with Brienne in season 6. How it happend did surprise me. Really anticlimatic. At first I thought Bran had some tricks up his sleeves (well besides that he can see the future) like his effing Ravens. A horde of thousands of ravens could do some serious damage...I just didn't expect the the white walker situation resolving so quickly and anticlimactic.

Now it's all about Cersei and the iron throne. Danny lost all Dothraki and basically most Unsullied, eg her whole Army. Still theoretically the 2 dragons could easily kill the 20k soldiers of the golden company.

 

[Zanovar]

just hope to fuck that it takes place during the day time.

haha

 

[WelshBloke]

Would take him a long time to raise another threatening army.

Not really. He has a dragon, he can go anywhere and theres a lot of battlefields full of dead people in Westeros. Once he gets a decent little army going it would snowball, its difficult to defeat an army when your dead compatriots are rising and trying to kill you!

 

[purbeast0]

https://imgur.com/p8W5oxG

 

[FerrelGeek]

You might be right, I don't think most of us thought about that.

Sorry, but how could you not see this? She's sitting fat and happy in King's Landing as the Night King and his zombie apocalypse is on Winterfell's doorstep. This isn't over until someone wins the game.

The problem with this is that it's going to be hard to not have it be anticlimactic.

 

[kn51]

Sorry, but how could you not see this? She's sitting fat and happy in King's Landing as the Night King and his zombie apocalypse is on Winterfell's doorstep. This isn't over until someone wins the game.

The problem with this is that it's going to be hard to not have it be anticlimactic.

Sorry, was being sarcastic.

 

[thebestMAX]

Where was Bronn? Guess he is still on the road or laying in ambush.

My prediction:
He is the one to kill Cersei with the family crossbow.