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?Hazy memories? says Tony Snow.

Here is another one

Lurita Alexis Doan, the GSA's administrator can't recall videoconference
She and 40 others at her agency were briefed by Rove aide
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Originally posted by: gcy
Here is another one

Lurita Alexis Doan, the GSA's administrator can't recall videoconference
She and 40 others at her agency were briefed by Rove aide
Link
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You get 2-3 conferences a day every week for a few years, they all can blurr together.

 
Peter Gabriel wrote the song that matches the Bush Administration:

I dont remember, I dont recall
I got no memory of anything at all
I dont remember, I dont recall
I got no memory of anything
-anything at all
 
Wow, how do these people find their way home or know where to wipe their asses. I would say anybody with that poor a memory doesn't have the qualifications to work for us. I bet water boarding would bring back some thoughts.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: gcy
Here is another one

Lurita Alexis Doan, the GSA's administrator can't recall videoconference
She and 40 others at her agency were briefed by Rove aide
Link
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You get 2-3 conferences a day every week for a few years, they all can blurr together.
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She had been on the job for a couple of months. She claimed to attend the meetings (more often than not) and said they were 'teambuilding' exercises. You would have to be pretty dense not to recall the content of that PPT. Curiously, despite her 'busy' schedule she found the time to stand before the group . . .

Doan also said she did not recall asking appointees what they could do to "help our candidates," as alleged in a letter to Doan from Waxman citing the multiple sources.
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Yet no less than SIX people at that meeting could 'recollect' what she said.

In an earlier letter to the committee, Doan said that nothing improper had occurred during the videoconference. But under questioning, she declined to say whether she would allow a similar political briefing in the future.
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Hmm how is it she would know nothing improper occurred during the videoconference if her primary response about the videoconference was . . .
"I do not recollect this," she said. "I honestly and absolutely do not recollect this."
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Originally posted by: gcy
Here is another one

Lurita Alexis Doan, the GSA's administrator can't recall videoconference
She and 40 others at her agency were briefed by Rove aide
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Another one that's even more disturbing. Gonzales' senior counsel and White House liaison, Monica Goodling, informed Congressional investigators she will not testify, and she will claim protection under the Fifth Amendment. From MSNBC:
Gonzales aide to invoke Fifth Amendment

DOJ official won't testify before Senate about U.S. attorney firings

Updated: 4:59 a.m. PT March 27, 2007

WASHINGTON - A senior aide to Attorney General Alberto Gonzales has decided against testifying before lawmakers about her role in the ousters of eight federal prosecutors, the latest flare-up in the controversy surrounding the Justice Department.

Monica Goodling's announcement that she would take the Fifth Amendment to avoid possibly incriminating herself came as the embattled attorney general cast himself as misunderstood in his conflicting accounts of his involvement in the firings. Goodling is the Justice Department's liaison to the White House.

Gonzales was to be in Cincinnati and Chicago on Tuesday in the latest leg of a multistate tour to promote a crackdown on child sex abuse and soothe U.S. attorneys who might be smarting over the dismissals.
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It raises all kinds of questions if a attorney in the Department of Justice thinks she needs to remain silent, rather than ackowledging she's commtted criminal acts. :shocked:

Of course, she won't be the first criminal to come to light in this administration. :roll:
 
The whole thing with Doan illustrates how admin figures seem to find the need to hide their partisanship, and to obfuscate.

The briefing took place during the non-paid lunch hour, and was for obviously partisan Bush appointees, not career civil service. So I figure it's one of those "nunya" deals, as in "Nunya business what we do on our lunch break, Congressman"...

Sampson is pretty much saying that he's no longer willing to participate, but that he's not a rat, either...

Apparently, resigning from the Bush Admin is still a little easier than getting out of the Mafia, if not by much...

Edit- typo
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Wow, how do these people find their way home or know where to wipe their asses. I would say anybody with that poor a memory doesn't have the qualifications to work for us. I bet water boarding would bring back some thoughts.
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:laugh: waterboarding 😉
 
It's actually not all the preposterous, which is the really scary thing.

In modern times it is extremely rare for anyone (to be allowed) to take notes at high level US government meetings. The reason? Those notes are discoverable in any future investigation. Guys like Rummy and Cheney are infamous for their absolute lack of notes.

It's a little scary to me that decisions involving billions of dollars and many people's lives are governed in a pretty much fly by the seat of your pants method.

 
Please, Thump533- the absence of notes is understandable, but the failure to recall isn't. These guys worked on this for an extended period of time, and I'm sure that Sampson, for example, remembered enough to get the job done- the targetted USA's got fired, after all... It's legit to say that you might not remember the exact words or the exact date, but Sampson clearly understood the mission, bet on that...
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Wow, how do these people find their way home or know where to wipe their asses. I would say anybody with that poor a memory doesn't have the qualifications to work for us. I bet water boarding would bring back some thoughts.
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My dear Moony, when #43 is the smartest man in the room, what can you expect?
 
You can't really blame them for having selective memory when the opposition party is on a perjury hunt.
 
Originally posted by: XMan
You can't really blame them for having selective memory when the opposition party is on a perjury hunt.
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Especially with so many Bushwhackos offering themselves as legitimate targets.

< cough > Libby... < cough > Gonzales... < cough > Rove... < cough > Cheney... < cough > Bush...
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
Please, Thump533- the absence of notes is understandable, but the failure to recall isn't. These guys worked on this for an extended period of time, and I'm sure that Sampson, for example, remembered enough to get the job done- the targetted USA's got fired, after all... It's legit to say that you might not remember the exact words or the exact date, but Sampson clearly understood the mission, bet on that...
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Perhaps-but personally I know of cases that I have worked on every waking hour for weeks that a few years later I would barely be able to recall little more than the parties' names without refreshing my recollection with notes.

Or think of it this way-would you want your regular family doctor to rely solely on his/her memory and not keep any written medical records-in order to help avoid any documentation that would someday maybe be used in a malpractice claim?

You can bet that the regular government employees are required to document everything they do-this no-notes practice is only found in the upper policy making/implementing sections of government. Everywhere else in the modern world such sloppy practices would be negligence per se.
 
Not only is this somewhat a perjury hunt, its also human nature. The witness always wants to think they are the only decent human being in a nest of rats. And if it takes a little selective memory and hazy memory to support that position, they work with the tools that are available is a surface explanation. And like Libby and watergate before that, its still an early stage of investigations, and the statements they make now may later morph into perjury or obstruction of justice. They just don't know it yet---and when they wake up and smell the coffee---its too late.

But when I try to apply logic to peer slightly deeper beneath the rippled surface and try to tease some more truth out of what amounts to very muddy water, I quickly become baffled about one thing. Namely, why would the GWB administration, arguably the most secretive in American history, allow the release of a set of papers that almost totally and conclusively disproves their own version of events?

And even if the Attorney General firing come to nothing, this is just the tip of a tip of an entire iceberg.
Senator Waxman is working on a huge pile of similar investigation with only dilemma being what set of glaring problems to concentrate on first. Other committees are working on their areas. I had posted shortly after the election that these investigations were coming because there was going to be a new Sheriff in town. I just had no idea that GWB&co. was going to be so incompetent at concealing their deeds.

Given the assumption that most of these investigations in other areas are not at the critical mass stage yet and the assumption that many will go past the testable hypothesis stage soon, will the GWB administration learn to hide things better?---or are they doomed?--may well be the next logical question.

Comparisons to watergate are almost inevitable with a lot of differences also. I thinks its the judgment of history that if Nixon had cut his losses early on and fired those involved early on, he would have weathered the storm and served out his term. And Nixon really had only one problem that rose to impeachment level to deal with. As it is, he gave his critics a merry chase for over a year by stone walling the release of relevant information.

My guess is that soon GWB&co will have not just one problem that rises to impeachment level but perhaps dozens in just a matter of the next three or four months. With many of those the sins of the past six years. Will GWB&co. similarly lead his critics on a merry chase, will he too go the way of Nixon, or will he learn to cut his losses? In terms of the latter question---given his continued support of Gonzales, the answer is a no.
 
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