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Hayabusarider said something interesting to me on our way to nuclear war.

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Well I first discovered it brushing my teeth squatted in the middle of the Merced river looking at Half Dome. Quite suddenly there was nothing there but an ape and a mountain. It's kind a hard to explain, but the genetic evidence is 98+% certain that I'm right.
 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
As long as I can chow down on chips while blowing holes through walls and running through levels in Red Faction, I couldn't care less.

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I second that!

 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Well I first discovered it brushing my teeth squatted in the middle of the Merced river looking at Half Dome. Quite suddenly there was nothing there but an ape and a mountain. It's kind a hard to explain, but the genetic evidence is 98+% certain that I'm right.
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Yeah, but there was also a man there brushing his teeth, looking at a mountain and wondering about himself. That's just a bit more than an ape and a mountain, something that the simplicity of a lowest common denominator doesn't properly describe.

 
The way is not to worry about the deepest secrets of life, because they are meant to be just that, secrets. We are here in this form to create ourselves in every moment how we wish, and to learn to eventually shape ourselves into our true selves, beings that love and can be loved, to be compassionate.

It's unfortunate that so many people still think to survive you must beat someone else, win, or go to war, all in the name of what?

Most people still think death is horrible, the worst thing that could happen, and they will seek revenge or kill to avoid it. Death is certain, unpredictable, and most importantly, not a bad thing, because all it is is relief from this form of existence. Everyone goes to a more peaceful place after death, even Hitler went, and we learn some things, and grow.

The outcome is guranteed, and all you need to put and effort into now, and in every moment of this life, is thinking, acting, and speaking according to your highest feelings consitently.

There will be times will you will lose this perspective, just realize it when you do, make a note of it, and go back to acting consistently. Make a habit of it, and it will become easier over time to become a better person.

That's my only belief.
 
Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Well I first discovered it brushing my teeth squatted in the middle of the Merced river looking at Half Dome. Quite suddenly there was nothing there but an ape and a mountain. It's kind a hard to explain, but the genetic evidence is 98+% certain that I'm right.
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A genetic cousin does not a chimpanzee of a man make. We may both be sorts of apes, but there are specific genetic differences between Pan troglodytes and Homo sapiens. Curiously, the differences I think you may be getting at regarding humans are even less distinct. The concept of race, for instance, is an invention of the mind and this was recently upheld by the human genome project finding no markers to identify samples as being from different races. Unfortunately, even though "race" may not have a tangible, objective reality other than minor external visual characteristics, it has a very real effect upon people and society. As such, it is a wonderfully perverse example of how perceived reality imposes itself upon the objective reality and is no less a Truth of existence.

 
Well I guess I'll just push the point because part of my love of chimps is that being one is very good for the ego. It's the kind of knowledge that lets gas out of bags. The Pan Homo thing is a pure fiction. There are varities of mice that are 10% different genetically that are assigned to the same species. If men from Mars were doing the taxonomy we would be the same species as chimps. Finally, we can probably breed with chimps. We are chimps, have a banana.

That out of the way, I think in a way I was posing the question of whether or not when we speak of objective reality we don't have some concept or word construct in mind, when perhaps objective reality can only exist as a direct apperception of the world without words or thought, the world the chimps see or win which they have their being. Moonbeam pokes you with a bony knuckle. Whoo whoo.
 
So you mean, at what point are we deluding ourselves? That is probably an endless spiral of unraveling conciousness. Though, how can reality percieved by a subject be anything be subjective?
 
With all this philosophical mumbo-jumbo, I believe we should return to an age of innocence... like the philosophical genius Forrest Gump and his mama says, "Life is like a Box of Chocolates, You never know what you gonna get."
 
You mean that brown stuff isn't chocolate?

Engine, what subject would that be. If the saying I think, therefore I am is true, than I don't think therefore I'm not should also be true.
 
Hi there yall
Dang, wish I had more time to go into this, but there is one thing I was wondering bout this- A man may look at his reflection and see a chimp, but the really interesting thing for me is if a chimp looks into a mirror, what does he see
 
As the bumper sticker said "You see one Nuclear war.....you've seen them all" 😉
 
When a chimp looks in the mirror he sees himself, a human. This can be demonstrated by surepticiously putting red paint of a chimp's face and giving him a mirror. She will immediately try to wipe the paint of her face.
 
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