I've been looking for a 2004-2005 Civic EX coupe auto for a couple months now, but can't find any individuals selling, and all the dealers on cars.com and autotrader are asking at least blue book or much higher, some up to $20,000. Do a search yourself and you'll see many for $16, $17, $18K, or more, which is crazy considering for about $18,000 or so, I could get a brand new, all new design/generation '06 EX. Or, for even less, an '06 LX auto, which is now comparable, or better, to the previous generation EX (incl. features, performance, MPG, and the car itself (looks)). Even the base DX now has some of the features of the previous gen EX. Some people are buying new '06 LX's with auto for $16,450-16,700, some a bit higher. I also heard of someone buying a used '06 LX with 15-20K miles for about $14,000. And I could wait just a couple months for an '07 for probably about these prices.
Most of you will say, so get an '06 fool! But I'd still like to have an 04-05 if I could get one cheap enough. I'm thinking $12K, maybe even including TTL and doc fees. Think that's possible? If not, what do you think the very best I could do would be?
I sent out a bunch of offers for $11K, and $11.5 (depending on the car), and only got half replies back, of which all said no. I got answers like "So you're offering $11K for an $18K car?", "KBB/blue book is ____ (ie. ~$17K) on this car" (most said this), and one even said "Let me know when you have a realistic offer". Thing is, the car didn't even sell new for what many of the dealers are asking. Supposedly in Sept '05 (when the '06 came out), people were buying brand new '05's for about $14,000 with 5 spd and $14,800 with auto, because of incentives. But even MSRP was like $16-$17K.
And the above mentioned high prices many dealers are asking aren't just '05's, but even '04's (car could be 3 years old) with 30-50K miles. Probably 03's too.
What about getting them to include shipping? Will they? Do they get better rates? How much does it usually cost to ship a car, say 200-300 miles? I live in TN (if you search, try zip 37203), and there don't seem to be as many for sale around here as up north (or Texas!). We also have that wonderful 9.25% tax.
Most of you will say, so get an '06 fool! But I'd still like to have an 04-05 if I could get one cheap enough. I'm thinking $12K, maybe even including TTL and doc fees. Think that's possible? If not, what do you think the very best I could do would be?
I sent out a bunch of offers for $11K, and $11.5 (depending on the car), and only got half replies back, of which all said no. I got answers like "So you're offering $11K for an $18K car?", "KBB/blue book is ____ (ie. ~$17K) on this car" (most said this), and one even said "Let me know when you have a realistic offer". Thing is, the car didn't even sell new for what many of the dealers are asking. Supposedly in Sept '05 (when the '06 came out), people were buying brand new '05's for about $14,000 with 5 spd and $14,800 with auto, because of incentives. But even MSRP was like $16-$17K.
And the above mentioned high prices many dealers are asking aren't just '05's, but even '04's (car could be 3 years old) with 30-50K miles. Probably 03's too.
What about getting them to include shipping? Will they? Do they get better rates? How much does it usually cost to ship a car, say 200-300 miles? I live in TN (if you search, try zip 37203), and there don't seem to be as many for sale around here as up north (or Texas!). We also have that wonderful 9.25% tax.
