Having already criticized Ariel Sharon...

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I thought I would balance that with an editorial that was in the New York Post this morning:

THE VICHY TRADITION

Anti-Semitic violence is surging across Europe - home in living memory to the slaughter of 6 million Jews.

Militants among the continent's millions of North African and Arab immigrants look to be the main perpetrators.

But not the sole ones. The skinhead attack on a synagogue in Kiev may reflect resilient traditions of anti-Semitism

And far too many officials are following in the footsteps of their parents and grandparents by looking the other way. Europe's media, meanwhile, is helping stir up the attacks with shrill reports of (nonexistent) Israeli atrocities.

Not that the rage is not anti-Israeli. Pro-Palestinian marchers are shouting "Death to the Jews" in Paris.

In this they resemble many of their brethren in the Middle East - where most of the violent rhetoric from Palestinian and other Arab leaders calls for spilling the blood of "Jews" or "Jewry" rather than "Israelis."

The worst of the attacks has been in France - site of nearly 360 crimes against Jews just this month and a nation where a man who once described the Holocaust as a "detail" of history, Jean-Marie Le Pen, finished second yesterday in presidential eletions.

Arsonists have attacked synagogues in Lyons, Marseilles and Strasbourg. School buses, a soccer team and individuals walking down the street have also been assaulted. Gunmen fired on a kosher butcher shop in Toulouse.

What have the French authorities been doing to prevent this? Precious little.

Indeed, French officials have tended either to turn a blind eye to this ugliness, or to characterize it as an inevitable by-product of the fighting in Israel.

French Foreign Minister Hubert Vedrine illustrated just how anti-Zionism easily slips into anti-Semitism: He actually characterized the attacks on synagogues and Jewish schools as "expressions of sympathy" with the Palestinians.

And Prime Minister Lionel Jospin responded to one synagogue arson by saying that the French police could hardly be expected to protect Jews wherever they went. Obscene.

Although the French government may be starting to take a firmer stand, it seems to have made a cynical calculation in the worst tradition of French politics (and that's saying something!) based on the fact that the country now holds nearly 5 million Arabs - many of them unassimilated, angry and potentially dangerous - and only 600,000 Jews.

It's been only 60 years since French officials decided that the safest (or most agreeable) option was to hand over the country's Jews to the Nazis for extermination. The failure to clamp down on resurgent anti-Jewish bigotry now suggests that little has really changed.
 

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No comment from me; I'm sure red dawn and others will not be so unvocal though. This is france you're talking about afterall ;)
 

Lucky

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And Prime Minister Lionel Jospin responded to one synagogue arson by saying that the French police could hardly be expected to protect Jews wherever they went. Obscene.


I must have missed when the law was passed that entitled each jew his/her own personal policeman.
 

Red Dawn

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<< I must have missed when the law was passed that entitled each jew his/her own personal policeman because they are so special. >>

Coming from a person whose race has been persecuted themselves your comments seem totally inappropriate.
 

Lucky

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<<

<< I must have missed when the law was passed that entitled each jew his/her own personal policeman because they are so special. >>

Coming from a person whose race has been persecuted themselves your comments seem totally inappropriate.
>>



? Am I missing the sarcasm here?
 

Red Dawn

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<< ? Am I missing the sarcasm here? >>

Aren't you an American of African descent?
 

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<<

<< ? Am I missing the sarcasm here? >>

Aren't you an American of African descent?
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:Q

No, I am white. Im probably one of the whitest people in my family! :eek:


<edit> but even if I was black i still dont get the comment.
 

GasX

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Ever since the Moors invaded France, French rulers and politicians have acquired a taste for arab c*ck. They will pretty much do anything not to piss off the arabs in their country. This comes as no surprise to me...
 

Red Dawn

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<< No, I am white. Im probably one of the whitest people in my family! >>

Oh well, I thought you said a long long time ago you were . Still your comment was inappropriate in my opinion.The issue isn't about Jews being special, it's about them being singled out for bashing.
 

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<<

<< No, I am white. Im probably one of the whitest people in my family! >>

Oh well, I thought you said a long long time ago you were . Still your comment was inappropriate in my opinion.The issue isn't about Jews being special, it's about them being singled out for bashing.
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OK, edited. I see the columnist as attacking the french government for not specifically protecting jews. Implying that on a day by day basis, they need more protection than everyone one. I dont know the specifics of the arson, but if a black church was torched here in the US, should officials be criticized not protecting blacks wherever they go?

Admittedly Im not deep in my knowledge of france's history with Jews, but the "obscene" comment by the writer seems ridiculous.
 

Lucky

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Frolodo, for some reason at the PC Im at (my brothers), I can read PM's but not respond/write, so I will reply to you here:


<<<I must have missed when the law was passed that entitled each jew his/her own personal policeman. >>>

Asshole. Are you going to reply with "That was sarcasm!"? You are scum if that was sarcasm or not.

Please reply with thoughts about how you were brought up to think this way.




No, it was not sarcasm. I still fail to understand why you, or this author, believes jews (or any other religion or race) are entitled to police protection "wherever they <go>".
 

Moshe

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The issue is not about personal policemen. Quite simply, a "civilized" country has a responsibility to protect its citizens from harm. The problem here seems to be that the French are willing to accept violence against Jews. It seems that the French gov. attitude has not changed much in the past 60 years.
 

Texmaster

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<< Regardless of the writer's own opinion, violence against Jews in Europe is getting pretty bad. >>



I agree.
 

Red Dawn

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<< Quite simply, a "civilized" country has a responsibility to protect its citizens from harm. >>

Remember we are talking about France