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Haven't you heard? Saddam Hussein DID help plan 9/11
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Lifer
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Thank goodness there's no such thing as a Democrat making a stupid statement.
homercles337
Diamond Member
Thank goodness there's no such thing as a republican making a stupid statement.
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Exactly.
DealMonkey
Lifer
Right, if you look hard enough, there's a conspiracy everywhere. What a delusional paranoid freak.
:roll:
TastesLikeChicken
Lifer
Except for this:
Sen. John McCain, R-Arizona, said that Saddam was a dangerous man, but when asked about Hayes' statement, would not link the deposed Iraqi ruler to the terrorist attacks on New York, the Pentagon and Pennsylvania.
"I haven't seen compelling evidence of that," McCain, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, told CNN.
and this:
President Bush said in September 2003 that "We've had no evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved with the September 11 [attacks]."
And Cheney saying the same thing around the time that Bush said it.
So it doesn't exactly back up your claim of it being a "party line."
Sysbuilder05
Senior member
What's really ridiculuous is that CNN would post this dribble on their web site "just because" some unknown Republican said it,and not one fact to back it up.
Poor,poor CNN,even with FOX's ratings tanking their STILL a pathetic FOX wantabe...
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
They are increasingly blurring the line, crossing it in this Rep's case, between Iraq and 9/11. It's disgusting to use 9/11 for political gain and they've been doing it for 4 years now. It's going to get increasinly worse as this war get more and more unpopular with the American public.
I think that the OP is an idiot and has showed a great lack of critical thought.
Bush did not link Saddam to 911 in his speech. He did link however, the concept of the war in Iraq to 911. This is the argument... Saddam did have ties, he did not plan. 911 did happen, and people around the US (liberals in particular) cried that we did not do enough to prevent 911. Bush, seeing this decided once and for all that the US will be more PROACTIVE in solving future problems.
Five years later... The same people that were crying about us not doing enough to prevent 911 are now the ones crying about us actually doing something before it grew into a larger problem.
Can't have it both ways, liberal pukes. You want to slander Bush for dropping the ball on 911 and then you want to slander him again when he actually takes that into consideration when looking at future problems. We went to Iraq so that we would not have to deal with another 911, or another sneak attack against an ally, or an all out war in the Middle East.
I guess that is just too hard for some to figure out. Or you simpleton hate Bush agenda is getting in the way of any tiny bit of common sense and street smarts that you may have.
Bush did not link Saddam to 911 in his speech. He did link however, the concept of the war in Iraq to 911. This is the argument... Saddam did have ties, he did not plan. 911 did happen, and people around the US (liberals in particular) cried that we did not do enough to prevent 911. Bush, seeing this decided once and for all that the US will be more PROACTIVE in solving future problems.
Five years later... The same people that were crying about us not doing enough to prevent 911 are now the ones crying about us actually doing something before it grew into a larger problem.
Can't have it both ways, liberal pukes. You want to slander Bush for dropping the ball on 911 and then you want to slander him again when he actually takes that into consideration when looking at future problems. We went to Iraq so that we would not have to deal with another 911, or another sneak attack against an ally, or an all out war in the Middle East.
I guess that is just too hard for some to figure out. Or you simpleton hate Bush agenda is getting in the way of any tiny bit of common sense and street smarts that you may have.
Darkhawk28
Diamond Member
You and rest of your vicious lot have created MORE terrorists than there EVER WERE. Your blind ignorance of facts staring you in the face, tells me that your not just willfully ignorant, but perhaps mentally imbalanced as a whole.
I don't know a single, damn person, conservative or liberal, that didn't support the war in Afghanistan. NOT ONE. It seems that us liberals are the only ones screaming to capture and destroy the people that committed the acts on 9/11. I bet you don't even really know who that was, do you? Usama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda.
Bush and his administration had his chance and they LET HIM GO. Not only that, they pulled out of Afghanistan for all intensive purposes. It's friggin' typical that you try to rewrite history.
Saddam Hussein had NO ties to 9/11. Saddam Hussein had NO ties to any terrorist organizations. Saddam Hussein had NO weapons of mass destruction. Saddam Hussein had NO significant armed forces. Saddam Hussein and the country of Iraq was economically crippled by years of U.N. sanctions. Saddam Hussein was NO threat to his neighbors and he was NO threat to us. If Clinton had invaded Iraq under the "liberation" notion, there would be NO way you would've supported the war. And guess what, neither would I.
Bush had a hard-on for going into Iraq for years before getting into office and so did his PNAC buddies. That's not conspiracy theory, that's 100% fact. Paul O'Neill, former Treasury Secretary, has even stated that Bush immediately wanted to pin 9/11 on Saddam Hussein. He immediately wanted to invade Iraq, knowing FULL WELL that the enemy was in Afghanistan. He tried to make evidence "fit his policy" but couldn't do it with all eyes on him so intensely after 9/11.
When he finally, FINALLY decided to invade Afghanistan, the nation cheered as ONE. Everyone was on board, Republican, Democrat, conservative, liberal. Hell, the entire WORLD was behind us. But that stupid, SOB pulled us out to go to Iraq. He knew full well the things I stated above. Now after more than 1750 dead American soldiers, $300 billion plus in money spent, declining recruitment of the volunteer army, a growing "insurgency", no end in sight, no exit strategy, no plan, NOTHING, people are FINALLY starting to wake up.
God help us, but we've opened up a sh*t storm that WILL bite us in the ass... maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but it WILL eventually.
Please, TLC, the Admin has their own corps of professional spinmeisters and apologists, in and around them. Even McCain plays the game with his "compelling evidence" hedge- he probably hasn't seen any such evidence whatsoever... but he deliberately leaves the door open, so that the stench can waft in...
Which is what the whole routine has been all about- deliberately misleading statements that allow enough wiggle room for plausible deniability when the occasion demands. Cheney is the master of it all-
" - Cheney: "His regime has had high-level contacts with al Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to al Qaeda terrorists." (Cheney Remarks, 12/2/02)
- Cheney: "His regime aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. He could decide secretly to provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against us." (Cheney Remarks, 1/30/03)
- Cheney: "If we're successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." (NBC, Meet The Press, 9/14/03, emphasis added)
- Russert: "The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?
- Cheney: "No. I think it's not surprising that people make that connection." (NBC, Meet the Press, 11/14/03)
- Cheney: "If we're successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." (NBC, Meet the Press, 11/14/03)
- Cheney: "We now know based on documents that we've captured since we took Baghdad that they put (Yasin) on the payroll, gave him a monthly stipend and provided him with a house, sanctuary in effect, in Iraq in the aftermath of . . . the '93 attack on the World Trade Center." (Rocky Mountain News, Interview, 1/10/04)
- Cheney: "I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between al-Qaeda and the Iraqi government." (National Public Radio, "Morning Edition," 1/22/04)
- Cheney: "Freedom still has enemies in Iraq, terrorists who are targeting the very success and freedom we're providing to that country. Recently, we intercepted a letter sent by a senior al Qaeda associate named Zarqawi to one of Osama bin Laden's top lieutenants...America will finish what we've begun in Iraq, and we will win an essential victory in this war on terror." (Cheney Remarks, 2/27/04)
- Cheney: "It's clearly established in terms of training, provision of bomb-making experts, training of people with respect to chemical and biological warfare capabilities, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Iraq for training and so forth*" (Cheney, CNBC's "Kudlow & Kramer," 6/4/04)
- Cheney: "In Iraq, Saddam Hussein was in power, overseeing one of the bloodiest regimes of the 20th century* He had long established ties with al Qaeda." (Cheney, Orlando, FL, 6/14/04)
- Cheney: "There's been enormous confusion over the Iraq and al-Qaeda connection, Gloria. First of all, on the question of--of whether or not there was any kind of a relationship, there was a relationship. It's been testified to. The evidence is overwhelming. It goes back to the early '90s...There's clearly been a relationship." (CNBC "Capital Report," 6/17/04)
Borger: "Well, let's get to Mohamed Atta for a minute because you mentioned him as well. You have said in the past that it was, quote, 'pretty well confirmed.'"
Cheney: "No, I never said that."
Borger: "OK."
Cheney: "I never said that." (CNBC "Capital Report," 6/17/04)"
Of course he said that, and a lot more. The whole bit about how he wasn't surprised that 69% of Americans believed there was a connection between the Iraqis and Al Qaeda is particularly disingenuous- his team worked long and hard to make that connection in the mind of the public. Not surprised? Hell no. He wouldn't have gone to the effort if he didn't think it would work... and it did. Some people still believe it, and will continue to do so, the same way that some oldtimers will tell you that McCarthy was right....
Which is what the whole routine has been all about- deliberately misleading statements that allow enough wiggle room for plausible deniability when the occasion demands. Cheney is the master of it all-
" - Cheney: "His regime has had high-level contacts with al Qaeda going back a decade and has provided training to al Qaeda terrorists." (Cheney Remarks, 12/2/02)
- Cheney: "His regime aids and protects terrorists, including members of al Qaeda. He could decide secretly to provide weapons of mass destruction to terrorists for use against us." (Cheney Remarks, 1/30/03)
- Cheney: "If we're successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." (NBC, Meet The Press, 9/14/03, emphasis added)
- Russert: "The Washington Post asked the American people about Saddam Hussein, and this is what they said: 69 percent said he was involved in the September 11 attacks. Are you surprised by that?
- Cheney: "No. I think it's not surprising that people make that connection." (NBC, Meet the Press, 11/14/03)
- Cheney: "If we're successful in Iraq, if we can stand up a good representative government in Iraq, that secures the region so that it never again becomes a threat to its neighbors or to the United States, so it's not pursuing weapons of mass destruction, so that it's not a safe haven for terrorists, now we will have struck a major blow right at the heart of the base, if you will, the geographic base of the terrorists who have had us under assault now for many years, but most especially on 9/11." (NBC, Meet the Press, 11/14/03)
- Cheney: "We now know based on documents that we've captured since we took Baghdad that they put (Yasin) on the payroll, gave him a monthly stipend and provided him with a house, sanctuary in effect, in Iraq in the aftermath of . . . the '93 attack on the World Trade Center." (Rocky Mountain News, Interview, 1/10/04)
- Cheney: "I think there's overwhelming evidence that there was a connection between al-Qaeda and the Iraqi government." (National Public Radio, "Morning Edition," 1/22/04)
- Cheney: "Freedom still has enemies in Iraq, terrorists who are targeting the very success and freedom we're providing to that country. Recently, we intercepted a letter sent by a senior al Qaeda associate named Zarqawi to one of Osama bin Laden's top lieutenants...America will finish what we've begun in Iraq, and we will win an essential victory in this war on terror." (Cheney Remarks, 2/27/04)
- Cheney: "It's clearly established in terms of training, provision of bomb-making experts, training of people with respect to chemical and biological warfare capabilities, that al-Qaeda sent personnel to Iraq for training and so forth*" (Cheney, CNBC's "Kudlow & Kramer," 6/4/04)
- Cheney: "In Iraq, Saddam Hussein was in power, overseeing one of the bloodiest regimes of the 20th century* He had long established ties with al Qaeda." (Cheney, Orlando, FL, 6/14/04)
- Cheney: "There's been enormous confusion over the Iraq and al-Qaeda connection, Gloria. First of all, on the question of--of whether or not there was any kind of a relationship, there was a relationship. It's been testified to. The evidence is overwhelming. It goes back to the early '90s...There's clearly been a relationship." (CNBC "Capital Report," 6/17/04)
Borger: "Well, let's get to Mohamed Atta for a minute because you mentioned him as well. You have said in the past that it was, quote, 'pretty well confirmed.'"
Cheney: "No, I never said that."
Borger: "OK."
Cheney: "I never said that." (CNBC "Capital Report," 6/17/04)"
Of course he said that, and a lot more. The whole bit about how he wasn't surprised that 69% of Americans believed there was a connection between the Iraqis and Al Qaeda is particularly disingenuous- his team worked long and hard to make that connection in the mind of the public. Not surprised? Hell no. He wouldn't have gone to the effort if he didn't think it would work... and it did. Some people still believe it, and will continue to do so, the same way that some oldtimers will tell you that McCarthy was right....
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