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Ameesh, geez man, if you could read, you'd know I don't know what check sums are or how to check them. I am doing Mandrake 9. I didn't see any checksums. I'm wondering if it's my cd drive. It's old but I installed ME with it.
Anybody know the how and the where of Mandrake check sums?
Anybody know the how and the where of Mandrake check sums?
What it can do better than XP, Hay, is save me another two hundred dollars. I got XP on one machine, 98 on another and maybe, maybe someday, Linux-ME on this one. I just want to be able to run linux and post and maybe not crash or freeze. I usually post on 98 and it goes down every so often. I'm curious too. I want to see what every body says they shut off after four days. If you can make a scroll, maybe you could knit me a straight jacket. 😀
I gotta go check the mandrake site to see if there's check sums and how to's I guess. I"LL BE BACK!
I gotta go check the mandrake site to see if there's check sums and how to's I guess. I"LL BE BACK!
One think I wondered about was that the instructions for Nero don't work exactly like they are written earlier in this thread at least on my Nero. It said to cneck 'write' but I got a message that the file was too big to copy if I didn't also check 'finalize'. Didn't think it meant anything, but who knows. I downloaded that checksum program, but I don't know how to use it. It opens like an explorer window so I figured I got to point to the disk1 file and see what happens, but I can't yet cause I'm using Leech to get the third CD, It has documentation, I learned, and it won't open since it's running, I guess.
edit: by the way, thanks sword
edit: by the way, thanks sword
silverpig
Lifer
Okay, so you have 3 perfect ISO copies on your hard drive. Burn them, then take a look at them when you're in windows (just put them in your drive and take a look). If things look okay (you have files etc), then put in the first cd, and reboot. The install is pretty intuitive IMO.
silverpig
Lifer
I have a dual boot of XP Pro and Mandrake 9, plus I have a VMWare virtual machine installed in XP that runs redhat 8.
I find programming to be MUCH better in linux. I don't have to get any new program, worry about project files (a la borland), or anything like that. I just run emacs (wordpad with some extra cool features basically) to write my code, save it as /program.cpp, then I open up a command prompt and type make -k program. Program compiled for me right there. To run, I just type ./program and it runs. No worrying about 3rd party programs or anything. Very very nice.
It doesn't run games as well as XP, it doesn't have the compatibility of XP, you can't run as many programs on it as you can with XP, but everything is free. For your "I want to email and internet and bank online" person who never has to do much of anything else, a pre-installed linux system is perfect. The software is free, and it runs without any problems.
If you want to game, play around with installing new programs, and don't really want to get into your computer much, windows is where it's at.
For people who want to get right in there, program, game, everything, then a dual boot is what you're probably looking for.
Mucman, what good is easier if you don't know how. I have NO IDEA how to do a network install of FreeBDS, but I might start a thread about how hopeless it would be to try. I want to see if I can do this mandrake thing first.
Silverpig, what is pretty intuitive to somebody writing programs might not be quite so intuitive to somebody who basically knows nothing. I got all screwed up with trying to partition my drive. I didn't see how to set partition sizes and got this tiny linux partition. I couldn't fit even just Gnome and nothing else in it. I fixed it bigger later but I got a feeling I screwed up somehow and I'm going to have to wipe it. I checked the first disk I install from. When I put it in windows it boots to an options menu and if I open or explore the CD it's got a big list of files and folders. It looks good. It was so hard to install the ME I have on there. I think it took about five days to get everything working. I ghosted it, but the drive I put the image on doesn't boot so I'm not sure how to transfer it back. The ghost I used doesn't ask you to make a floppy. But I got a ghost that does and I got one of those floppies. Maybe it would transfer it back. I'll try a wipe and reinstall and see how it goes.
The obvious thing to do if I wipe the drive is to create two partitions right from the start, but since I'm trying to make it possible for most anybody with a newer machine to install Mandrake, I don't think that would be fair since a single partition is more normal for people who aren't computer literate and not put off by linux.
I checked a bunch of my hardware on the Mandrake site. I didn't see my 9 gig IBM but I can't imagine that's a problem. My mother board, video and sound card and nic are all OK. I seen a big pile of stuff flash buy when I started the install.
Thanks for your continued help.
Silverpig, what is pretty intuitive to somebody writing programs might not be quite so intuitive to somebody who basically knows nothing. I got all screwed up with trying to partition my drive. I didn't see how to set partition sizes and got this tiny linux partition. I couldn't fit even just Gnome and nothing else in it. I fixed it bigger later but I got a feeling I screwed up somehow and I'm going to have to wipe it. I checked the first disk I install from. When I put it in windows it boots to an options menu and if I open or explore the CD it's got a big list of files and folders. It looks good. It was so hard to install the ME I have on there. I think it took about five days to get everything working. I ghosted it, but the drive I put the image on doesn't boot so I'm not sure how to transfer it back. The ghost I used doesn't ask you to make a floppy. But I got a ghost that does and I got one of those floppies. Maybe it would transfer it back. I'll try a wipe and reinstall and see how it goes.
The obvious thing to do if I wipe the drive is to create two partitions right from the start, but since I'm trying to make it possible for most anybody with a newer machine to install Mandrake, I don't think that would be fair since a single partition is more normal for people who aren't computer literate and not put off by linux.
I checked a bunch of my hardware on the Mandrake site. I didn't see my 9 gig IBM but I can't imagine that's a problem. My mother board, video and sound card and nic are all OK. I seen a big pile of stuff flash buy when I started the install.
Thanks for your continued help.
Moonbeam,
Would you like me to setup a redhat http mirror for you? I can give you a fast site to d/l the files on; dunno if that will help, but if it will, LMK. I have the three disks you need, and it's my preferred linux variant. I've ran others from gentoo to mandrake, but RH8 I think strikes a nice balance between usability and understandability. 😀
Rob
Would you like me to setup a redhat http mirror for you? I can give you a fast site to d/l the files on; dunno if that will help, but if it will, LMK. I have the three disks you need, and it's my preferred linux variant. I've ran others from gentoo to mandrake, but RH8 I think strikes a nice balance between usability and understandability. 😀
Rob
Mucman, You gave me some sliver of hope so I checked:
FreeBSD can be installed from a variety of media including CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, floppy disk, magnetic tape, an MS-DOS partition, or if you have a network connection, you can install it directly over anonymous FTP or NFS. All you need is a pair of blank, 1.44MB floppies and these directions, where these directions are a link, but it's a dead link. See, it's hopeless.
FreeBSD can be installed from a variety of media including CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, floppy disk, magnetic tape, an MS-DOS partition, or if you have a network connection, you can install it directly over anonymous FTP or NFS. All you need is a pair of blank, 1.44MB floppies and these directions, where these directions are a link, but it's a dead link. See, it's hopeless.
Entity, that is very kind of you. What I'm trying to do here is, eventually, to demonstrate a non jargon sure fired way that anybody here who would like to try linux but like me has trouble with computereese, can follow simple English and go on the net, get what they need and get it to run. The decission on Mandrake was purely arbitrary and I hope, in the end, that somebody can choose it too, but I want one example of some distro that I personally can describe so others can duplicate it too. It wouldn't do to have as part of the instructions, see Entity for your Red Hat distro. 😀
PS, I got called away while I was getting this post together, Entity. Somebody needs me to reinstall windows for them. In the land of the blind even the one eyed man is king. I now notice that you have already gone to some effort. I really apologize. I could switch to Red Hat, but the main thing is getting something together that any body can do.
Edit, Sorry tremendous distractions here, comprehension may not be up to snuff.
PS, I got called away while I was getting this post together, Entity. Somebody needs me to reinstall windows for them. In the land of the blind even the one eyed man is king. I now notice that you have already gone to some effort. I really apologize. I could switch to Red Hat, but the main thing is getting something together that any body can do.
Edit, Sorry tremendous distractions here, comprehension may not be up to snuff.
Moonbeam - Perhaps what you lack is the passion to learn the OS... no offense, but it sounds like you just want to be another "user". An Operating System is a powerful tool, and the usually the more powerful the tool, the more complexity that is involved.
I always install FreeBSD using the 2 boot floppies and have never had a problem (done it over 6 times now, on all sorts of different hardware). I dove into
FreeBSD a year ago. Now I run several FreeBSD servers doing some complex tasks. I even use FreeBSD as my desktop (the best way to learn). My first few months were all spent reading the FreeBSD Handbook. For install instructions you should find everything you need at this link.
The reason why I say FreeBSD is easier is because there aren't tons of distributions like there is with Linux. Heck, I had to manage a Debian machine and
a Red Hat machine, and I was utterly confused between the two of them. They are both linux, but managed totally different.
btw, any OS isn't something you can just dive into... Heck the first time I installed Windows was quite a learning experience.
You might want to try posting install issues in the OS forum 😉
Maybe I will start this thread from the beginning again and try to figure out what you are trying to do again... I forgot where this whole thing was heading 😛
I always install FreeBSD using the 2 boot floppies and have never had a problem (done it over 6 times now, on all sorts of different hardware). I dove into
FreeBSD a year ago. Now I run several FreeBSD servers doing some complex tasks. I even use FreeBSD as my desktop (the best way to learn). My first few months were all spent reading the FreeBSD Handbook. For install instructions you should find everything you need at this link.
The reason why I say FreeBSD is easier is because there aren't tons of distributions like there is with Linux. Heck, I had to manage a Debian machine and
a Red Hat machine, and I was utterly confused between the two of them. They are both linux, but managed totally different.
btw, any OS isn't something you can just dive into... Heck the first time I installed Windows was quite a learning experience.
You might want to try posting install issues in the OS forum 😉
Maybe I will start this thread from the beginning again and try to figure out what you are trying to do again... I forgot where this whole thing was heading 😛
Mucman, so many of you seem to be so utilitarian. I know very little, but I always wanted to try out linux. I have no reason other than curiosity and the challenge. The reason I haven't is that I don't get how to do it. All the instructions are greek to me. I decided to try to do it anyway and to report the results. I am an idiot. I will screw up anything that can be screwed up. But I can talk English and I can say things that people who don't speek geek, I mean greek, cqn understand. I just figured there might be others like me who would try it out if they had everyday pretty foolproof instructions. None of this download and install the iso bs. 😀
just out of curiosity who here uses linux for something outside of an academic setting? I just finished up my senior semester long programming project (woohoo! finally done with school for good!), and heavily considered toying around with linux for the past 4-5 months. we were programming in perl and running an apache server, and it seemed to do the command line stuff that our project needed pretty well. i agree that for basic c++/perl/etc. programming it seems to fit the bill. its just now I can't really see what practical purpose I would want to use linux over windows, or even a mac. in my job I do asp and visual basic programming. I can't see doing any sort of visual programming from emacs heh. while the whole linux mystique seemed sort of cool in school....now it just seems like it would be a waste of time to get into aside from running a server. just my $.02
silverpig
Lifer
Oh, here's a very very good idea for you. It's such a good idea I can't believe no one else has thought of it.
1. Go to vmware.com and download VMWare. It costs a lot of moneyto buy, but they give you a free 30 day trial. All you'll need is the trial.
2. Install VMWare inside of windows (just like any other program).
Come back here for help.
VMWare is a program that acts as a completely separate computer. You hit the power button on the program and you see the same screen as when you really boot up your computer. It's really neat actually. You can install linux inside here and it won't be any different than doing it for real on a normal install. You can't mess up any partitions or anything. If you mess up the linux install in here, just delete that virtual machine (just a file), and start over. Very very simple.
What's even better about it is if you have XP (I can't remember if you did or not), you can ask someone here for remote assistance, and they can actually do the install for you while you watch.
1. Go to vmware.com and download VMWare. It costs a lot of moneyto buy, but they give you a free 30 day trial. All you'll need is the trial.
2. Install VMWare inside of windows (just like any other program).
Come back here for help.
VMWare is a program that acts as a completely separate computer. You hit the power button on the program and you see the same screen as when you really boot up your computer. It's really neat actually. You can install linux inside here and it won't be any different than doing it for real on a normal install. You can't mess up any partitions or anything. If you mess up the linux install in here, just delete that virtual machine (just a file), and start over. Very very simple.
What's even better about it is if you have XP (I can't remember if you did or not), you can ask someone here for remote assistance, and they can actually do the install for you while you watch.
You could do your asp in emacs 🙂 When I was doing a lot of asp (more asp.net now) I did most of it in UltraEdit.
Linux has never been a desktop platform for me, and I don't believe it every will. I use *nix (SCO, AIX, RedHat, Debian, ...) on a daily basis, and I love the platform; however, I am usually experiencing it through my ssh client. I consider the command line to be the most powerful facet of *nix anyway, so I have no need for X. If I used X, I'd just use gnome/kde and rdesktop to get back to my Windows box anyway.
I don't see how anyone can argue that Linux is comparable as a desktop platform to Windows. I try to use each respective platform for their strong points, not for l33t factor, or anti-MS factor...
Moonbeam - You are right on the money with the utilitarian comment 🙂. I run FreeBSD out of necessity. After the holiday I will have 9 machines running at home. Do you know how much it would cost to pay for licenses for every machine and the all the software? I started running FreeBSD as a desktop because I liked how everything made sense in the OS (no obfuscation of the OS like in Windows). Of course I still like Windows and I believe it
has its place, but I can't afford to run it at home.
Again, I must stress the fact that Operating Systems are powerful, and with power comes complexity. If you are going to communicate with an OS you are
going to have to speak its language (which unfortunately isn't English, which you so elegantly write 😉). Perhaps this language barrier is what is holding
you back the most.
I think the FreeBSD install link should be able to assist you in getting FreeBSD installed. Of course now that I look at it, there is that language barrier again.
There are some words and concepts that you will need to understand before you do it. Of course, you did say you are doing this to learn 😉
Good luck! 😀
Descartes - You are correct about Linux not comparing to Windows in the desktop market... I think that's a good thing 🙂. If Linux was just like Windows, I think I would just stick with Windows. My preference goes to Blackbox on FreeBSD because I don't want my GUI to tie into the OS. I like having
a clear distinction between the two systems.
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