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drag

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quarkexpress eats indesign for breakfast, but most people wouldn't know it because most people don't use what quarkexpress is good for.

Plus I've talked to a lady (she had a very bad desease that forced early retirement) who use to run her own publishing company that refered to Photoshop and the like as "mickey mouse programs". She was like "if you ever used the big german printing presses you'd understand why Express is still a OS 9 program", when we were discussing why Express hasn't released a OS X version years after most people have moved on to OS X. (since then quarkxexpress has come out).

So go figure.

Gimp is a good program and Photoshop is slightly better, but it's not 600 dollars better. I'd rather have a extra monitor and Gimp rather then photoshop (I do actually).
 

ProviaFan

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Originally posted by: drag
quarkexpress eats indesign for breakfast, but most people wouldn't know it because most people don't use what quarkexpress is good for.
The relative of mine who is in the commercial printing business is a QuarkXpress fan... I just like InDesign better because it seemed more familiar (being similar to the other Adobe stuff). I'm sure QXP has features that are really important to the people who use high-end presses, but I only have an inkjet, and prefer something that I can get stuff done with the way I want in a reasonable amount of time without too much of an additional learning curve. :)
 

drag

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which is why Quark is losing market share to Indesign.

Once Quark had lots of competators, then Quark won. They were behind bunches of innovations, so now Indesign is beginning to be recognized.
 

Jzero

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Originally posted by: drag
See what sucks is that there isn't any comparable paint program to go with Gimp that is free. People are starting to develop vector based graphic programs seriously, but you don't have anything like Fractal Painter that is free. No illistrator, or good layout programs like Quark Express.
It's a shame that QuarkXPress is the "best" available right now, because it really blows chunks.

I have found that Inkspot and SodiPodi are adequate substitutes for Illustrator in the same way Gimp is for Photoshop - for a non-professional doing stuff for primarily personal enjoyment, it gets the job done adequately, but someone with more high-end needs will likely be disappointed.
 

Armitage

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I like da gimp, but didn't vote because it's been ages since I used either of the other choices.
 

randumb

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Gimp is nice, but I'm used to doing Photoshop because it's a necessity in newspaper/yearbook (CMYK).
 

drag

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Originally posted by: Jzero
Originally posted by: drag<BR>See what sucks is that there isn't any comparable paint program to go with Gimp that is free. People are starting to develop vector based graphic programs seriously, but you don't have anything like Fractal Painter that is free. No illistrator, or good layout programs like Quark Express.
<BR>It's a shame that QuarkXPress is the "best" available right now, because it really blows chunks.<BR><BR>I have found that Inkspot and SodiPodi are adequate substitutes for Illustrator in the same way Gimp is for Photoshop - for a non-professional doing stuff for primarily personal enjoyment, it gets the job done adequately, but someone with more high-end needs will likely be disappointed.

Quark Express dominates not because it's easy to use or it's particularly wonderfull, but it's ability to deal with printers and have very high quality output.

I've used Inkscape, but one thing it's lacking is (or at least I couldn't find it) is the ability to have groups of objects so that I could work in layers...

I know I could group things together, but I would like to have multiple groups with different names assigned to each group, it would realy help out the way I work.

gimp and photoshop are about on equal footing when it comes to the way I work and what I use them for...

People complain about things that they don't know much about. For instance Gimp's lack of ability to handle 48bit colors.... Which is laughable. No f-ing point. Especially if your using it for something as simple as web graphics or photo editing. What hurts Gimp is lack of CYMK color support, which is critical for pre-press stuff, but if your not going to publish stuff in magazines or do professional posters/billboards it's pointless.

For photo editing and web graphics/computer graphics in general RGB is what you want. It's much superior to cmyk for that, because that's how computers work. Pointless to make graphics in cymk for devices that can't properly display it.. like your monitor.

Lots of people do stupid things in photoshop. Like for instance: Text Placement. Both Gimp and Photoshop are @ss when it comes to text.

Unless the text is PART of the picture (like a street sign) it's best to lay it out in something like Quark, that's all.

Quark rocks as long as you use it for what Quark is good at, which is layout. That's all. Text and squares to stuff images in.

If you want you can check out Scribus, which is a layout program that is designed to do what Quark-type programs do... Just layout for final printed product.

It's realy good for making PDF's, which are superior for technical documents and stuff like that. More and more places are using PDF's for printing documents, which isn't suprising since PDF is so similar to postscript. Postscript is a printer format, you pipe the postscript docuement into any REAL printer and it'll decode it and print it out.

Other thing that Photoshop/Gimp realy blows at is image creation. You use them for image manipulation, I wouldn't touch them for making all but the simplist computer generated images. That's what programs like Fractal Painter (or is just called Painter nowadays?) are for. You use them for painting, Photoshop for image manipulation/correction/touchup, and then Quark (or other desktop publishing program) for final layout, text, and format.
 

episodic

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I am using the GIMP - but recently picked up the new Photoshop Elements - Elements is really nice for those that can't afford the full thing . ..
 

kmmatney

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I'm still using PaintShop Pro 5. I tried GIMP a while back and didn't like it much. Maybe I'll give it another shot to see if its any better...
 

Rottie

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Photoshop is the best. I have started using Photoshop version 3 now I use PhotoShop CS (Creative Suite). It takes a lot of pratice you will do good.