Have you taken an IQ test? Would you?

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
My parents did not tell me my IQ because they did not want that knowledge to interfere with my education. We can have an IQ/SAT/GPA dickmatching contest if you wish... But, for one, you will lose, and secondly I don't need to compare myself to others to know Im damn smart.

Translation: "I don't have an inferiority complex, b-b-but I'm smarter than you anyway!"

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
The initial tests created by Binet in France were intended to identfiy children that needed special attention in school.

Binets work is sort of the grandfather of todays intelligence quotient. BUT one of the reasons the IQ is so prevalent today is because certain groups used it to further their agendas of eugenics and racism.

So you've completely refuted your original claim, but you try to salvage it by throwing in another claim that you can't substantiate.

Are SAT's, admissions tests, and other standardized tests tools for racism, too?

If a group doesn't do well on a test, it means they didn't do well on that test. It does not mean that the test was somehow racist. It could just mean that the test uncovers racial differences. Don't kill the messenger.

Another point of contention is eugenics. It's politically incorrect, so some people have adopted the view that it must be absolutely wrong. But if you look at the definition, it's only basic genetics.

Eugenics- The study of hereditary improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding.

There is nothing wrong with this. If you were talking about dogs, or cats, or any other lifeform, it would only be called "breeding" or "genetics". But when you apply a sound science to humans, an uproar starts and people rage against the idea. But the simple truth is that we humans are animals that reproduce via sexual reproduction. You can breed people.

I think the problem lies when you say that one race of people is "better" than another, that's when logic leaves and irrational racism begins. Different races are different, get used to it. But there's no reason to hate someone just because they are different than you.

 

[machintos]

I did the national IQ test that was aired on fox.

 

[Afrotech]

Originally posted by: silverpig
I've done the crappy internet versions, but those don't count. I've never taken a real one.

 

[jagec]

I've taken a real IQ test. I passed.

 

[Steve]

Originally posted by: Brackis
I took one a couple of years ago while also being checked out for some different learning and mental aptitude things.
I scored greater than three standard deviations above the mean.

I did too, about that time. I can't remember what my deviations interval was, I just remember my overall score (140).

 

[HardcoreRobot]

LOL - You brought the question of my intelligence into the conversation when you so kindly suggested my parents didn't want to hurt my feelings by telling me im an idiot.

Check out "The Bell Curve" by Herrnstein and Murray. It was published in 1994 and reverts back to the stuff from the early 20th century - that the IQ test provides evidence that blacks are inherently NOT AS SMART. Yes, it IS related to eugenics. Just as hitler used his Jewish litmus test to identify inferior humans, people have tried to use IQ tests to establish the position of minorities in america.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
LOL - You brought the question of my intelligence into the conversation when you so kindly suggested my parents didn't want to hurt my feelings by telling me im an idiot.

Check out "The Bell Curve" by Herrnstein and Murray. It was published in 1994 and reverts back to the stuff from the early 20th century - that the IQ test provides evidence that blacks are inherently NOT AS SMART. Yes, it IS related to eugenics. Just as hitler used his Jewish litmus test to identify inferior humans, people have tried to use IQ tests to establish the position of minorities in america.

The Bell Curve brings up a good point. If testing reveals a racial difference, it does not mean that the test itself was biased. It could mean that the test merely uncovered a legitimate racial difference. Who can be so sure that no intelligence difference exists to completely write off the results? That's just political correctness people thinking with emotion instead of logic. A real scientific mind would conduct further tests to re-analyse the findings. Instead, idiots see results they don't like and try to sweep them under the rug and ignore them.


About the second part of your post- Ugh.

Now I *know* that you aren't very smart. You've used the worn-out, typical Hitler reference in a lame attempt to try to support your point. Godwin smiles, and this thread is dead.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
The initial tests created by Binet in France were intended to identfiy children that needed special attention in school.

Binets work is sort of the grandfather of todays intelligence quotient. BUT one of the reasons the IQ is so prevalent today is because certain groups used it to further their agendas of eugenics and racism.

So you've completely refuted your original claim, but you try to salvage it by throwing in another claim that you can't substantiate.

Are SAT's, admissions tests, and other standardized tests tools for racism, too?

If a group doesn't do well on a test, it means they didn't do well on that test. It does not mean that the test was somehow racist. It could just mean that the test uncovers racial differences. Don't kill the messenger.

Another point of contention is eugenics. It's politically incorrect, so some people have adopted the view that it must be absolutely wrong. But if you look at the definition, it's only basic genetics.

Eugenics- The study of hereditary improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding.

There is nothing wrong with this. If you were talking about dogs, or cats, or any other lifeform, it would only be called "breeding" or "genetics". But when you apply a sound science to humans, an uproar starts and people rage against the idea. But the simple truth is that we humans are animals that reproduce via sexual reproduction. You can breed people.

I think the problem lies when you say that one race of people is "better" than another, that's when logic leaves and irrational racism begins. Different races are different, get used to it. But there's no reason to hate someone just because they are different than you.

According to your own definition, eugenics has nothing to do with other animals. It has to do with HUMANS, identifying other HUMANS as inferior (by whichever criteria you wish), and kicking them out of the gene pool. I dont see how that can be viewed as anything BUT wrong.

I am saying that people have tried to use the IQ test as part of this identification process.

Just one of many sources - http://extras.journalnow.com/againsttheirwill/parts/three/storybody3.html

When members of the Eugenics Board of North Carolina were trying to decide whom to sterilize, they almost always relied on IQ scores as the one objective measure they could count on among a number of other considerations.

 

[Zenmervolt]

From the score I got on the MENSA prequalifier I'm estimated somewhere in the low-to-mid 150's and have better than an 80% chance of getting into MENSA if I ever get around to taking one of their official, proctored exams, which I will probably never do.

ZV

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: Brackis

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
internet ones are BS, and they are only really accurate if taken at a young age

i took one as a kid but my parents would not tell me the score

edit - not to mention, the entire concept is pretty much flawed. did you know the IQ test was initially created by a person with the agenda of obtaining "scientific" proof that blacks were not as smart (scientific racism, or race-science).

LOL, where do you get your facts, from Al Sharpton?

Your parents probably didn't tell you the score because you scored very low. And the rest of your post reflects that fact. Tests were not created to show that blacks are not as smart. How can you design a test that gives you a score based on race? Does it ask how long it takes you to burn when you stand outside in the sun? Does it ask you where your ancestors came from? No, it just asks you logic and reasoning questions.

I may have been mistaken. Now I am not so sure about the motivation for the test... though I do believe I read there was pressure to substantiate racism. Nonetheless, it HAS been used over the past 100 years to justify it.

And in response to your insults. My parents did not tell me my IQ because they did not want that knowledge to interfere with my education. We can have an IQ/SAT/GPA dickmatching contest if you wish... But, for one, you will lose, and secondly I don't need to compare myself to others to know Im damn smart.

Laudable

oh boy..internet pissing match

<---grabs a lawn chair

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
The initial tests created by Binet in France were intended to identfiy children that needed special attention in school.

Binets work is sort of the grandfather of todays intelligence quotient. BUT one of the reasons the IQ is so prevalent today is because certain groups used it to further their agendas of eugenics and racism.

So you've completely refuted your original claim, but you try to salvage it by throwing in another claim that you can't substantiate.

Are SAT's, admissions tests, and other standardized tests tools for racism, too?

If a group doesn't do well on a test, it means they didn't do well on that test. It does not mean that the test was somehow racist. It could just mean that the test uncovers racial differences. Don't kill the messenger.

Another point of contention is eugenics. It's politically incorrect, so some people have adopted the view that it must be absolutely wrong. But if you look at the definition, it's only basic genetics.

Eugenics- The study of hereditary improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding.

There is nothing wrong with this. If you were talking about dogs, or cats, or any other lifeform, it would only be called "breeding" or "genetics". But when you apply a sound science to humans, an uproar starts and people rage against the idea. But the simple truth is that we humans are animals that reproduce via sexual reproduction. You can breed people.

I think the problem lies when you say that one race of people is "better" than another, that's when logic leaves and irrational racism begins. Different races are different, get used to it. But there's no reason to hate someone just because they are different than you.

HEY! Logic and reason have NO PLACE in an ATOT thread! Get those out of here! 😛 😉

ZV

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

According to your own definition, eugenics has nothing to do with other animals. It has to do with HUMANS, identifying other HUMANS as inferior (by whichever criteria you wish), and kicking them out of the gene pool. I dont see how that can be viewed as anything BUT wrong.

My definition said this:

"Eugenics- The study of hereditary improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding. "

Where did it say anything about kicking people out of the gene pool? It didn't. You're using a strictly emotional argument in a weak attempt to sway popular opinion in your favor.

You seem to be using every fallacy in the book. Setting up strawman arguments, red herrings, Hitler references- all the tactics used by someone who doesn't have a valid point.

But like I said, Godwin's law holds true, the thread is dead. You killed it.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Here is some more info for you.

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qa4013/is_200201/ai_n9062193

While Binet himself was not a strong believer in eugenics, Goddard, who translated his work was.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

According to your own definition, eugenics has nothing to do with other animals. It has to do with HUMANS, identifying other HUMANS as inferior (by whichever criteria you wish), and kicking them out of the gene pool. I dont see how that can be viewed as anything BUT wrong.

My definition said this:

"Eugenics- The study of hereditary improvement of the human race by controlled selective breeding. "

Where did it say anything about kicking people out of the gene pool? It didn't. You're using a strictly emotional argument in a weak attempt to sway popular opinion in your favor.

You seem to be using every fallacy in the book. Setting up strawman arguments, red herrings, Hitler references- all the tactics used by someone who doesn't have a valid point.

But like I said, Godwin's law holds true, the thread is dead. You killed it.

WTF do you think "controlled selected breeding" is? Its GENOCIDE and STERILIZATION. Are you even reading any of the material?

What exactly is your point? You have reiterated that you think I am stupid, but what are you arguing about. It is fact that the IQ test has been used to further racist agendas. Since you arent reading my posts, I suggest you do your own research. Furthermore, my initial claim (which you attacked as false with no evidence) is not even entirely incorrect. Binet may not have had that motivation, yet his work is not really equivalent to what we consider to be the IQ test.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

WTF do you think "controlled selected breeding" is? Its GENOCIDE and STERILIZATION. Are you even reading any of the material?

Are you even capable of rational thought? All of your posts seem to be so "EXTEME!!11"

Why don't you just instantly associate all opposing viewpoints to yours as being ones which Hitler used? Oh, you already did.

Your reasoning level seems to be high school level at best. Your failure to see varying degrees of anything and going for haymakers in every argument leads me to believe that you're either chronologically or just mentally young.

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
You have reiterated that you think I am stupid, but what are you arguing about. It is fact that the IQ test has been used to further racist agendas.

And what a good reason to stop using IQ tests- because it has been used for bad purposes.

Let's also ban all guns, since they, too, have been used for bad purposes. In fact, anything that has been abused or used for an evil purpose should be banned.

 

[Kyteland]

I took a real IQ test my senior year in high school and an internet IQ test a year later. The internet one was 15 points higher.

When people ask I tell them the internet score. 😉

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
You have reiterated that you think I am stupid, but what are you arguing about. It is fact that the IQ test has been used to further racist agendas.

And what a good reason to stop using IQ tests- because it has been used for bad purposes.

Let's also ban all guns, since they, too, have been used for bad purposes.

I did say that online IQ tests are bullsht, I never said anything about stopping the use of IQ tests. WTF are you talking about? What do guns have to do with this?

 

[91TTZ]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
I did say that online IQ tests are bullsht, I never said anything about stopping the use of IQ tests. WTF are you talking about? What do guns have to do with this?

It is apparent that your reasoning ability is impaired, or maybe just not fully developed yet. I don't think there's anything I can do to help you understand. I stand by my claim that you lack intelligence.

Keep on arguing, because the more you talk, the worse you sound.

 

[Ausm]

I have taken those tests but I find them to be a joke. I score typically around 145- 155.

Ausm

 

[Zenmervolt]

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
WTF do you think "controlled selected breeding" is? Its GENOCIDE and STERILIZATION.

So you're saying that when I eventually make my choice on whom I will marry (which _will_ be based to at least some degree on her intelligence) I'm going to go out and sterilise or kill every woman who is not the woman I've chosen?

The simple fact is that every single marriage is an example of eugenics on a small scale. Two people are choosing to interbreed with each other because they each believe that the other is superior to all other options for breeding. Simply making the evaluative choice of who is the best person to marry is eugenics in action. The horrors you so glibly attach to eugenics are by no means necessary accompaniments to it, as my above example shows.

The world is not black and white, in fact, it is almost never even clearly defined shared of grey. Most of the time it's a foggy haze.

ZV

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Zenmervolt
From the score I got on the MENSA prequalifier I'm estimated somewhere in the low-to-mid 150's and have better than an 80% chance of getting into MENSA if I ever get around to taking one of their official, proctored exams, which I will probably never do.

ZV

MENSA sounds like a giant circle jerk to me. Same thing as a "Guys with big dicks club".

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot
I did say that online IQ tests are bullsht, I never said anything about stopping the use of IQ tests. WTF are you talking about? What do guns have to do with this?

It is apparent that your reasoning ability is impaired, or maybe just not fully developed yet. I don't think there's anything I can do to help you understand. I stand by my claim that you lack intelligence.

Keep on arguing, because the more you talk, the worse you sound.

If you can show me where I made any mention about not using IQ tests I will go away. Damn I cant wait till you get banned again.

 

[HardcoreRobot]

Originally posted by: 91TTZ

Originally posted by: HardcoreRobot

WTF do you think "controlled selected breeding" is? Its GENOCIDE and STERILIZATION. Are you even reading any of the material?

Are you even capable of rational thought? All of your posts seem to be so "EXTEME!!11"

Why don't you just instantly associate all opposing viewpoints to yours as being ones which Hitler used? Oh, you already did.

Your reasoning level seems to be high school level at best. Your failure to see varying degrees of anything and going for haymakers in every argument leads me to believe that you're either chronologically or just mentally young.

What is my viewpoint? I stated a FACT! This is not an opinion, I never said that IQ tests were evil and racist and should be done away with. I said that they were a TOOL used by racists, and I provided links to substantiate. You have somehow twisted my words as an excuse to belittle me.

What is YOUR viewpoint. All you will say is that I am stupid. What is stupid? What opinion of mine do you disagree with? Where is my reasoning flawed. You can TELL me it is, and that my reasoning is highschool level, and that I am stupid, but please explain what it is you disagree with.