don't get me wrong, I'd still vote for him for President of the Universe, but the way he's been campaigning so hard for Bush for this election (especially after distancing himself so much from the president beforehand) has really made me lose a lot of the respect that I've had for him.
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Have You Lost Respect for McCain?
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jackschmittusa
Diamond Member
I don't know yet. I actually feel sorry for the guy. He's walking a fine line between maintaining his integrety and being politically ostracized by the party. He knows how flawed GWB is and even seems to prod him in better directions, but maybe he really believes the party can be salvaged and that GWB is the lesser of 2 evils. I don't agree with him on everything, but I still have to respect him as a thinking, reasoning man who can actually answer questions and explain how he developed his views. I don't think of him as a "sellout" yet. I guess we'll see.
You are a moron. John McCain is an ultra conservative on almost every issue. There are just a relative few issues that he diverges from Bush and the rest of the GOP. He and Kerry may be friends, but he does NOT see eye to eye with Kerry on Policy Issues. It seems people keep confusing McCain with something he is not. Yes he is a moderate on a few issues. A FEW issues, but he is just as to the right as Bush on most.
I wouldn't ever vote for McCain, but he does at times seem like a decent guy.
But yes, I did lose a lot of respect for him in the past couple of weeks. Campaigning for the guy who pulled every dirty trick against you 4 years ago, including having voters in South Carolina called before the primary to "remind" them that you have a black baby (which isn't even true, he adopted an asian baby)? That's not just dirty pool, that's outright exploiting racism.
But who knows what deals were made behind the scenes to bring him back into the GOP line.
But yes, I did lose a lot of respect for him in the past couple of weeks. Campaigning for the guy who pulled every dirty trick against you 4 years ago, including having voters in South Carolina called before the primary to "remind" them that you have a black baby (which isn't even true, he adopted an asian baby)? That's not just dirty pool, that's outright exploiting racism.
But who knows what deals were made behind the scenes to bring him back into the GOP line.
sMiLeYz
Platinum Member
He must be kidding himself if he thinks he can change the Bush people or the Republican Party.
Anyway, I wont whore for these people if they've smeared like they did last campaign, but hey that just me.
McCain is sort of like Ralph Nader, who I respect, but doesn't mean I'm going out of my way to vote in his favor.
Anyway, I wont whore for these people if they've smeared like they did last campaign, but hey that just me.
McCain is sort of like Ralph Nader, who I respect, but doesn't mean I'm going out of my way to vote in his favor.
kage69
Lifer
Like Powell, my respect for McCain is (sadly) diminishing. I can only assume others in the Republican party have co-erced him to lend his support. Everyone knows he is 10 times the man and leader that the chimp is, it must rile him to have to photo-op with the man who maligns the name of conservative and the ideals of his party. I guess solidarity is really important to him.
Thump553
Lifer
McCain is very much an anomaly in the GOP. After Goldwater, the GOP became a very tightly controlled organization where, once party policy is decided, all members are fully expected to toe the party line or suffer severe retaliation. The Dems, on the other hand, are much more fractured. Look at any major vote in Congress or the Senate in recent history-its pretty rare that more than one or two GOP stray from the party position. Its almost as rare that the Dems vote 100% for any position.
Firm party discipline has proven to be very effective in boosting the GOP's power. I think McCain chafes at this, but I view his campaigning for Bush as part of his party obligation and duty.
What I do like about McCain is that he will speak his mind. Although I disagree with many of his positions I respect him as greatly one of the few true statesmen around today. Far too often those in the Adminstration only reiterate today's official talking points.
Firm party discipline has proven to be very effective in boosting the GOP's power. I think McCain chafes at this, but I view his campaigning for Bush as part of his party obligation and duty.
What I do like about McCain is that he will speak his mind. Although I disagree with many of his positions I respect him as greatly one of the few true statesmen around today. Far too often those in the Adminstration only reiterate today's official talking points.
I went out on a limb earlier this year speculating that the Democrats would choose him for Vice President...well, here I go again.
Secretary of State Colin Powell is just about done. McCain could agree to join the cabinet only if Bush is reelected.
If McCain did this, I would totally lose all respect for him.
Secretary of State Colin Powell is just about done. McCain could agree to join the cabinet only if Bush is reelected.
If McCain did this, I would totally lose all respect for him.
Hayabusa Rider
Admin Emeritus & Elite Member
Yep Red,
Indeed, it would be a huge step down in power. If there is one common factor among politicians it is the desire for power. Without it they are ineffective.
It would make no sense for McCain to take a Sec of Anything position.
Indeed, it would be a huge step down in power. If there is one common factor among politicians it is the desire for power. Without it they are ineffective.
It would make no sense for McCain to take a Sec of Anything position.
busmaster11
Platinum Member
I would almost bet that sometime in the last 12 months he was approached by both the dems and the neocons to be their veep choice... Truthfully if the neocons cared about putting the best man in office they would have booted out dub and nominated McCain... but of course they're not willing to do that.
Yes - I did feel that McCain had too much integrity to campaign for dub. I was wrong...
Clinton\OBama in 2008!!!
Don Vito Corleone
Elite
You'd think that alone would have quashed his enthusiasm for active participation in the Bush campaign. I would have a tough time with that were I in his shoes.
i think you go to the heart of two important matters.
one being the most important difference between the two parties.
while i dont want to get off topic, i do often wonder why people dont discuss that issue more. the solidarity of the republicans vs. the wide variety in the democrats.
and i agree about mccain always willing to speak his mind. ive seen him speak a few times in person and he is very genuine and very straightforward. no bs, no fake smile.
LordMagnusKain
Banned
It takes more than pointing out that he?s not a democrat to make the moderates who understand what he stands for lose respect for him.
heartsurgeon
Diamond Member
so you "respect" him when you think he will help Kerry, but you lose respect for him when he supports the President....
that says more about you than about McCain....
you never really respected McCain, you just liked the idea of a Republican that you thought would carry water for Kerry....
McCain has supported bills the President wants passed 90% of the time.....he supports Republican sponsored legislation 80% of the time. McCain is the Co-Chairman of the GWB re-election committee in Arizona...
you kids are so silly you don't even know what the voting records are of the folks you think you support....you probably think Kerry's voting record over the past 30 years is "moderate"
you have a utter lack of factual knowledge....
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