Have you guys seen this "dreadlocks girl" from SanFran U?

[ImpulsE69]

I don't know about that, I wouldn't hire a white guy in dreadlocks. I would assume at best he is a pothead and at worst he is hygienically dysfunctional.

That is just stereotypes. I have a friend who wore dreads and he was as straight laced as they come. The same things were said about piercings and tattoos. Meanwhile you see plenty of cleancut types who are potheads, coke snorters and alcoholics. Times change. Get over it.

 

[poofyhairguy]

That is just stereotypes. I have a friend who wore dreads and he was as straight laced as they come. The same things were said about piercings and tattoos. Meanwhile you see plenty of cleancut types who are potheads, coke snorters and alcoholics. Times change. Get over it.

You missed my point, namely that a white dude wearing dreadlocks has to deal with a pile of stereotypes himself. Even if it is "stealing" from another culture there is a price to be paid for doing it.

The correctness of stereotypes have no bearing on their existence, nor does it mitigate the position of power for those who hold those stereotypes.

 

[JSt0rm]

That's usually how it works when you have majority and minority populations. The only difference in this case is that their ancestors didn't come here willingly.

But if you're going to start making people pay for the sins of their fathers, you're never going to make any progress either. At some point you just have to get the fuck over it and move forward.

So again, what you are saying is there is no melting pot. People either conform to white culture or they live in poverty. Let me ask you, if the shoe was on the other foot, would you conform to "black culture" to maintain a middle class life? Would you do that knowing these are the culturally same people who enslaved your people 300 years ago?

You may answer yes. But would you understand those who said no?

 

[VtPC83]

300 years ago.... 300 years ago... it just sounds more and more like BS the more you say it. I don't see Jews complaining that they assimilate to white ideals when they were ERADICATED OVER AND OVER....

The more people fight and argue and call everyone racist the longer it will take for racism to end. This is on both sides. So tired of this BS.

 

[poofyhairguy]

So again, what you are saying is there is no melting pot. People either conform to white culture or they live in poverty.

I don't think anyone is saying that. I can name many examples of rich African American entrepreneurs who have stayed true to the culture in which they were raised and were successful BECAUSE of it.

Let me ask you, if the shoe was on the other foot, would you conform to "black culture" to maintain a middle class life?

Sure, that is what millions of American immigrants do every day and have done for decades. They turn their backs on their original culture and language to try to get ahead in America, and they raise their kids in mainstream American culture (speaking English) in hopes it will make them more successful.

Would you do that knowing these are the culturally same people who enslaved your people 300 years ago?

I guess I don't get what something so ancient has to do with the practical considerations of living in today's world. My ancestors were Native American, aka people who were MASSACRED by our dominant European culture. Yet all my recent ancestors went to "white" colleges, and even took on "white" last names in an attempt to better themselves. I don't mind myself participating in mainstream culture despite all these ancient wrongdoings because I wasn't a part of that world.

But would you understand those who said no?

Sure, just like I understand why Christians 600 years ago thought lending money was a sin- from their perspective it was. The problem is when people ignore the practical reality of the situation with some crazy expectation that life is fair when it isn't.

Those Christians 600 years ago realized without lending money their economy couldn't work, so they realigned their values to a point where no Christian banker in the world thinks twice about what a sin their job is. If you are part of a society you have to make some concessions to the reality of the situation if you want the full benefit from association with that society, that is a reality of life.

 

[Charmonium]

So again, what you are saying is there is no melting pot. People either conform to white culture or they live in poverty. Let me ask you, if the shoe was on the other foot, would you conform to "black culture" to maintain a middle class life? Would you do that knowing these are the culturally same people who enslaved your people 300 years ago?

You may answer yes. But would you understand those who said no?

That's not what I'm saying at all. Look at jazz for example. That was originally considered "black" music. But now it's been adopted by people everywhere mainly through the influence of the white Americans who adopted it.

Every cultural interaction is an exchange where you generally end up with the best elements of both. If you're not going to permit that exchange to occur, you're really just one step away from segregation.

And it doesn't really matter anyway because no one is going to take this as a serious issue. Personally I think this is another case of the tail wagging the dog. You get a few vocal people on social media trying to make themselves internet famous by creating some bullshit but potentially divisive issue and then the morons just run with it.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Thats the point that most people here are missing (including you). Black people are only accepted into american middle class and above life when they conform to white cultural norms. When blacks maintain their own cultural identity they are not accepted into our society at large. On the flip side whites can take on black culture and use it with no personal effect.

That issue, laughably, is being ignored by so many in this thread. And shows we have a long way to go before we get to a place where we can have a real melting pot.

Its one of the reasons that make this place fucking horrible.

Asians were largely rejected by Western society as well, especially the original immigrants who held close ties with their own culture. Today's third/fourth/etc-generation Japanese-, Korean-, Thai-, etc Americans are fully submerged in "white cultural norms". If your problem is that employers and others judge too much on appearance, then make that the issue, not that white people aren't judged from leaving their own cultural norms (which, as has been pointed out wrt white dreadheads and so on, is not even true). Conformity and vanity suck, but they're a reality of every culture.

 

[JSt0rm]

Asians were largely rejected by Western society as well, especially the original immigrants who held close ties with their own culture. Today's third/fourth/etc-generation Japanese-, Korean-, Thai-, etc Americans are fully submerged in "white cultural norms". If your problem is that employers and others judge too much on appearance, then make that the issue, not that white people aren't judged from leaving their own cultural norms (which, as has been pointed out wrt white dreadheads and so on, is not even true). Conformity and vanity suck, but they're a reality of every culture.

But do you understand why someone may want to resist that norm?

 

[JSt0rm]

300 years ago.... 300 years ago... it just sounds more and more like BS the more you say it. I don't see Jews complaining that they assimilate to white ideals when they were ERADICATED OVER AND OVER....

The more people fight and argue and call everyone racist the longer it will take for racism to end. This is on both sides. So tired of this BS.

300 years ago was the start my friend. Systemic racism still exists TODAY.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

But do you understand why someone may want to resist that norm?

Not especially. Why would someone resist a social norm but simultaneously want to be accepted by the society that promotes said social norm? Tough shit if a prospective employer, Mr. Straightlace, doesn't like someone's grill or dreadlocks. He wouldn't like facial tattoos, wifebeaters, or NASCAR baseball caps either.

 

[VtPC83]

300 years ago was the start my friend. Systemic racism still exists TODAY.

Yes it does but the type of BS in the OP isn't helping remove it. Erecting walls saying 'you can't use this because it is my culture' is just furthering racism.

All of these BS around appropriation and white/black privilege and other BS is just making the situation worse. Yes you have to identify racism when it happens so that it can be talked about but this is blowing things WAAAYYYYY out of proportion to point where quite a few people think it is comical which doesn't help in the end.

 

[JSt0rm]

Not especially. Why would someone resist a social norm but simultaneously want to be accepted by the society that promotes said social norm? Tough shit if a prospective employer, Mr. Straightlace, doesn't like someone's grill or dreadlocks. He wouldn't like facial tattoos, wifebeaters, or NASCAR baseball caps either.

Who said they wanted to be accepted? Systemic racism and poverty create a lot of issues.

 

[JSt0rm]

Yes it does but the type of BS in the OP isn't helping remove it. Erecting walls saying 'you can't use this because it is my culture' is just furthering racism.

All of these BS around appropriation and white/black privilege and other BS is just making the situation worse. Yes you have to identify racism when it happens so that it can be talked about but this is blowing things WAAAYYYYY out of proportion to point where quite a few people think it is comical which doesn't help in the end.

Watch the video i posted. The point isnt to say someone cant do something but to point out why is it ok for a white person to wear their hair in braids and not ok for a black person to do the same?

Thats the point.

 

[MongGrel]

That's not what I'm saying at all. Look at jazz for example. That was originally considered "black" music. But now it's been adopted by people everywhere mainly through the influence of the white Americans who adopted it.

Every cultural interaction is an exchange where you generally end up with the best elements of both. If you're not going to permit that exchange to occur, you're really just one step away from segregation.

And it doesn't really matter anyway because no one is going to take this as a serious issue. Personally I think this is another case of the tail wagging the dog. You get a few vocal people on social media trying to make themselves internet famous by creating some bullshit but potentially divisive issue and then the morons just run with it.

Blues and Gospel even, is where Rock pretty much originated from of course.

+1 to everything else.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Who said they wanted to be accepted? Systemic racism and poverty create a lot of issues.

Uh, the girl in the video you posted above for one. I thought there were two main grievances:

1. Black people are not accepted by society unless they adopt Western cultural norms
2. White people are accepted by society even when they adopt non-Western cultural norms

The first point would be relevant because the argument would seem to follow that non-adoption of Western cultural norms results in system racism and poverty.

The problem a lot of people in this thread have is that the second point is basically irrelevant to black people being rejected by society. I mean, some people complain about Eminem, and he actually did grow up in poverty in Detroit, even though he isn't black. The fact that some white people have found success through adoption of black culture does not inherently cause black people to face discrimination. People should save their ammo for the real problems and not meaningless distracting MTV bullshit.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Watch the video i posted. The point isnt to say someone cant do something but to point out why is it ok for a white person to wear their hair in braids and not ok for a black person to do the same?

Thats the point.

Are there studies showing that this is even a real problem? I mean, I don't think I've ever seen a white person with actual cornrows in real life before. Just because Eminem and Iggy Azeala or however you spell her name and a few other token white hip-hop people can do it doesn't mean anything in the grand scheme of job discrimination.

 

[pcgeek11]

This entire topic is BS. Cultural Appropriation my ass.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Some people on the other side of the pond agree with her:

“My hair, my rules, my body”, Goldstein asserts, displaying a deep sense of entitlement. Sure, it’s only hair, and it is his hair to style. But does he have the right to style it in a way that has a deep cultural meaning to minority cultures? The ability to style your hair for fashion’s sake is a luxury, not a right. If it is offending others, Goldstein should consider giving up that luxury.

Comments like that make me want to go out and get fake dreads just to piss off as many people as possible.

 

[pauldun170]

20 million college students in the US manage to have ridiculous arguments over nonsense without having it put up on youtube.
2 teenagers arguing over nonsense.

Neither one of these kids is worthy of "deep social commentary"

Pushy girl harasses kid because of "reasons"

http://heavy.com/news/2016/03/cory-...-video-racist-san-francisco-state-university/

To me this isn't a story about race.
It's about a stereotypical cali DJ's run in with a college girl who has lots of "baggage"
It's a story of how being in foster care can fuck you up.

The person in the trenchcoat is meme worthy

 

[BoberFett]

Comments like that make me want to go out and get fake dreads just to piss off as many people as possible.

These internet social justice nuts are a cancer on society.

 

[Hugo Drax]

Video of her reportedly approaching a white student who had dreadlocks, accusing him of cultural appropriation and telling him to remove them or she would cut them off. Then she physically restrains him and prevents him from leaving until she notices a camera and then she accuses him of accosting her.

I can't speak for the authenticity of the video but it's been circulating. Now there is a petition to get her expelled from school (the whole: if this were a white man doing this to a black person blah blah blah).

It's always interesting to see events like this unfold. Is this affirmative action in action?

Video

I dont blame her about time someone starts teaching these trustafsrians to keep it real and stop trying to act black.

Anyhow if i was the white kid i would have had a little fun with the whole situation. He should have told her no sex before at least a first date.

 

[poofyhairguy]

These internet social justice nuts are a cancer on society.

I disagree. These events create real discussion and discourse across the political spectrum. Mainstream American politics is such a team sport it's hard to debate on real issues, so stuff like this fills in the gap. It is the marketplace of ideas at work.

 

[ImpulsE69]

I would have just looked at her and told her she was racist as loud as I could. You want me to accept you, accept me. Too many people want to have it their way only. You don't solve racism through non-tolerance.

 

[dainthomas]

I disagree. These events create real discussion and discourse across the political spectrum. Mainstream American politics is such a team sport it's hard to debate on real issues, so stuff like this fills in the gap. It is the marketplace of ideas at work.

I agree. We can discuss how her physically and verbally assaulting someone on the internet will impact her future career prospects. And how she'll blame other people for keeping her down instead of taking responsibility for her own actions.

 

[BoberFett]

I disagree. These events create real discussion and discourse across the political spectrum. Mainstream American politics is such a team sport it's hard to debate on real issues, so stuff like this fills in the gap. It is the marketplace of ideas at work.

I don't believe that they are creating discussion. These types are shutting down conversation. All of these social justices labels they slap on people are intended to end conversation before it starts.

"Being able to discuss appropriated culture is a privilege. Check your privilege, stop talking, and listen to me, you racist."

There, discussion over. Who's going to listen to a privileged racist? Oh that's right, Trump supporters will. How is Trump helping create discussion? And if you don't think the PC left has any responsibility for helping to create the monster that is Trump, you've got another think coming.