Have you bought an LED bulb yet?

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I was in Home Depot today and they have 40 watt equivalent bulbs for $19. Same energy consumption as CFL. They had some others, too, which were pricier. They claimed 10-15 years depending on which one. They were all dimable, though, which is neat. I thought their light looked quite white but otherwise they looked more like a normal bulb than a CFL and they spread light quite well to the sides.

Although they do dim (most light sockets don't care, though) and they are probably more robust than CFL (I bet they can be turned on and off without issue and don't care about orientation to any degree) their life span doesn't seem super-duper for the price. Are they at all worth considering yet? I couldn't find any reviews really, just expectation articles written last year.
 

Imp

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Does an ikea lamp count? Got my first table LED lamp, nice warm colour too. The Class 2 "LED" radiation warning (thanks Euro standards) was a bit alarming though.

Turns out that since LEDs are so small, they can eff up your vision if you stare at the light...


No for regular lights. Lumen counts are too low and too expensive. The $6 40W CFL I bought for my monitor for bias lighting is still kicking 3 years later, so meh.
 

Eli

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I don't think it's quite worth it yet. CFL's are ridiculously cheap, and they use very little power for the amount of light they put out. If you're looking to save money, I hope you're patient. It will take a long time for you to get your 19$ back. I like buying cool things though, so I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I pick one up for the hell of it.

While the LEDs can technically last 50,000 - 100,000 hours, the bulb as a whole entity may not last that long if the electronics driving the LED are of poor quality.

Such is the case with many cheap CFLs. They may be able to last 10,000 hours, but not if the ballast fries. Not uncommon, unfortunately.. especially if the lights are being used in an enclosed fixture, where cheaper components not rated for the heat let out their magic smoke.
 

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Actually less than half the energy consumption of CFL, and no mercury to boot. They claim 50,000 hours, which comes out to ~24 years @ 6 hours/day.

40 watts isn't much though, enough for a desk/table lamp.

http://eartheasy.com/live_led_bulbs_comparison.html
Well going on the package ratings I think it was 7 real watts, same as a CFL, both "40 watt incandescent equivalent" and in actual fact the lumens on this were 425 or something compared to the CFL's 500.
 
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I have some in the recessed lights in the kitchen. The halogens were burning out too quickly so I've been gradually replacing them with LEDs. Even though they are pricy the lower energy consumption should pay for them in the long run. They'll keep getting cheaper too so eventually the choice will be a no-brainer.
 

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lumens seem low on them. probably good for the bathroom where the light is used for a couple minutes at a time 10 times a day. CFLs burn out quick doing that.
 

Wyndru

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I might start buying them. I just had 2 CFL's die after 2 years, and I've only installed 10 in my house. They were the more expensive ones from home depot (GE), so I'm not sure why they died so quickly. Neither one was in a lamp that moved at any point. Oh well.

Now I have these dead CFL bulbs that I need to find a way to dispose of. Although Home Depot supposedly has a CFL recycling program, I got blank stares when I asked about it in store. My town only has 1 day per year to dispose of this stuff, otherwise you have to pay to get rid of it.

Oh, and the dimming feature of LED's is nice. I have a couple of 3 stage CFL's, but they were expensive, and I'd rather just be able to put a dimmer on them rather than set stages.
 
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Eli

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They should continue to increase in lumens while decreasing in watts, not to mention decrease in price. I think they will be much more prevalent in around ~5 years.
 

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Well going on the package ratings I think it was 7 real watts, same as a CFL, both "40 watt incandescent equivalent" and in actual fact the lumens on this were 425 or something compared to the CFL's 500.

500 lumens?

Wow, last time I went to Homedepot and Costco, I only saw some 350-ish ones designed for recessed/chandelier lighting.
 

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I might start buying them. I just had 2 CFL's die after 2 years, and I've only installed 10 in my house. They were the more expensive ones from home depot (GE), so I'm not sure why they died so quickly. Neither one was in a lamp that moved at any point. Oh well.

Now I have these dead CFL bulbs that I need to find a way to dispose of. Although Home Depot supposedly has a CFL recycling program, I got blank stares when I asked about it in store. My town only has 1 day per year to dispose of this stuff, otherwise you have to pay to get rid of it.

Oh, and the dimming feature of LED's is nice. I have a couple of 3 stage CFL's, but they were expensive, and I'd rather just be able to put a dimmer on them rather than set stages.
Garbage can.

I haven't had great luck with CFLs bought several years ago but if I think about it I have not had one go out in many months (most of the house has them now).

I have a CFL in a bathroom and I know the regular on/off is bad. Also the one I got takes about three weeks to warm up so it's truly a POS.
 

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500 lumens?

Wow, last time I went to Homedepot and Costco, I only saw some 350-ish ones designed for recessed/chandelier lighting.
The LED today was 425 or 435 or 465, one of those three and they had several shapes. They had tiny candle size ones up to larger spot light ish ones with 60 watt equivalent. They had I think two standard bulb looking ones:

philips-led.jpg
 

Wyndru

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Also the one I got takes about three weeks to warm up so it's truly a POS.

Oh yeah, that too, the warm up period. I actually dislike CFL's for a lot of reasons. I'm just worried that if I replace with LED's my house will have that annoying blue-white hue everywhere. A buddy of mine has this issue, but his lights were all purchased about 1-2 years ago.
 

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I'm designing a 217 circuit LED based system for an oceangoing luxury yacht, controlled with the Savant AV system and Lutron (iPads and iPods for each zone basically). The vessel expects 30% cost savings over incandescents. Granted thats because the Lutron system allows dimmable lights, but the sheer amount of savings in heat alone is a big deal.

<3 LED lights. I am not looking forward to finding out what terrible thing there is about them (like the toxicity of CFL's)
 

Eli

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The LED today was 425 or 435 or 465, one of those three and they had several shapes. They had tiny candle size ones up to larger spot light ish ones with 60 watt equivalent. They had I think two standard bulb looking ones:

philips-led.jpg

I have to admit, that looks pretty badass. It would be a shame if they didn't engineer it to last essentially forever.(In most cases, an LED will still be working after its rated amount of hours, but at greatly reduced lumens). It certainly looks like it could last forever.
 

Jeff7

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I don't think it's quite worth it yet. CFL's are ridiculously cheap, and they use very little power for the amount of light they put out. If you're looking to save money, I hope you're patient. It will take a long time for you to get your 19$ back. I like buying cool things though, so I'm sure it's only a matter of time before I pick one up for the hell of it.

While the LEDs can technically last 50,000 - 100,000 hours, the bulb as a whole entity may not last that long if the electronics driving the LED are of poor quality.

Such is the case with many cheap CFLs. They may be able to last 10,000 hours, but not if the ballast fries. Not uncommon, unfortunately.. especially if the lights are being used in an enclosed fixture, where cheaper components not rated for the heat let out their magic smoke.
:thumbsup:

Result of using cheap no-name CFLs:
About 50&#37; were dead in less than a year.

I started using Litetronics' Neolite CFLs. 1 out of 8 died in the same timeframe. Still worse than I'd like, but definitely better than generic.

With LED lights, it's still difficult for them to compete with fluorescent in terms of efficiency. Some of the LED lights available even have a tough time matching incandescent or halogen sources. 1) You need a good LED. 2) You need to drive it properly and within spec. 3) Your driver circuit needs to be efficient too. You can start out with an experimental Cree LED that can do 200 lumens/watt, but if you use a cheap source to drive it, you might end up with a net of 30 lumens/watt. And some manufacturers will get a high lumen output by overdriving the LEDs, which causes rapid aging and loss of output.

CALiPER
- the Department of Energy is performing their own testing to see how well the labeling on various LED light sources matches up to actual measurements. The results tend to indicate that lumen output and efficacy ratings are inflated, and that some fixtures suffer from much shorter-than-expected lifetimes. From what I've seen, LED lighting has a ways to go before it can compete with fluorescent.

LEDs do quite well though when a monochromatic source is required. LEDs by default produce a single wavelength; this is far more efficient than using a white light source and then filtering out the unwanted wavelengths.
The most popular method of teasing white light out of LEDs involves using a blue emitter with a phosphor coating, which ends up hurting the primary strength of the LED. The spectrum output of a monochrome LED is quite clean - there's a large spike of energy generated around a single primary wavelength. With a white LED, there's a spike of blue, and then a big blob of wavelengths in the green-to-red range. The most efficient way of making a white light source out of LEDs, at least as far as our eyes are concerned, would be to have a properly tuned source that produces spikes at the red, green, and blue wavelengths which our eyes are sensitive to. Unfortunately, that RGB lighting method is still more expensive and complex than the blue+phosphor method.
 
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I've just stuck to buying CFLs for now. I don't pay for electricity in my current apartment, but I wanted bright lamps that don't generate a ton of heat, so I went with 100-W equivalent bulbs for the floor lamps (no overhead lighting) and a 60-W equivalent for task lighting that is attached to one of my lamps.
 

her209

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Lumen output and color temperature are what turned me off to getting LEDs.
 

BoomerD

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I picked up some LED candelabra base bulbs at Costco a couple of years back for the lights on the outside of my garage. IIRC, they're 3 watts. Not a ton of light, but I don't NEED much there...I have a streetlight right across the street.
 

lxskllr

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I'd like something like a 25w equiv, but with a standard large base for my ceiling fans. I wonder if there's something like that in LED. I haven't found a CFL that's really dim enough yet.
 

yhelothar

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Since when did LEDs last forever? Everytime I bought a LED flashlight, half the LEDs went out within the first hour of use. Not even the cheap $5 supermarket bulb one does that.
 

Mike Gayner

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Since when did LEDs last forever? Everytime I bought a LED flashlight, half the LEDs went out within the first hour of use. Not even the cheap $5 supermarket bulb one does that.

WTF? Even extremely el cheapo LED flashlights don't do this. What do you do to your flashlights to cause the to stop working?
 

runzwithsizorz

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I'd like something like a 25w equiv, but with a standard large base for my ceiling fans. I wonder if there's something like that in LED. I haven't found a CFL that's really dim enough yet.

I found these at Lowe's, for my three candelabra socket type hanging front porch light. They came with a standard socket adapter, and claim a life of 13 years, (the jury is still out).