Have you been duped by the public education system?

Riprorin

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Study Shows Public Schools Indoctrinate Even Christian Kids
Jim Brown and Jenni Parker
Agape Press

A researcher has revealed some disturbing trends regarding the sets of beliefs Christian students in public schools have about the most important issues in life.

Dan Smithwick is the founder and president of the Nehemiah Institute, a group that provides a biblical worldview testing and training service to Christian educators. He is the developer of what is called the "PEERS test," a tool to assess the worldviews of young people, and says the majority of public school students from evangelical Christian homes consistently score in the "socialist" category on the test.

According to Smithwick, this outcome should come as no surprise, considering the fact that secular humanists are currently shaping America. He notes that socialism, a political and economic philosophy that commonly emphasizes government control and redistribution of wealth over personal responsibility and private ownership, often goes hand in hand with secularist attitudes and a generally non-biblical worldview.

Smithwick's worldview test consists of a series of statements carefully designed to identify a person's worldview in five categories: Politics, Economics, Education, Religion, and Social Issues (PEERS). Each statement is framed to either agree or disagree with a biblical principle.

When it comes to major moral and social issues, the Nehemiah Institute spokesman contends there is a dramatic difference in thinking between students in public schools and those in Christian schools. This is because, while Christian school students are generally taught curricula predicated on a biblical worldview, students educated in public schools, even when they grow up in Christian homes, tend to a very high degree to adopt the non-biblical and socialistic worldviews of the secular humanists in control of their education.

"In the last hundred years," Smithwick asserts, "and especially in the last 30 years, this is the audience that is shaping the public square in America, hands down. And they didn't really have to fight for it -- we [in the Church] gave it to them. Somewhere along the way we decided that the public square really wasn't our business. It wasn't our playground; they could have it, and they've had their way with it."

As a result, the Christian education advocate says, even Christian students are growing up to become a part of a society with an increasingly secular-humanistic and socialistic worldview. "Now we've got a mess on our hands," he says, "and it's really our fault. So we've got to change that. We've got to repent before God. We've got to go back and understand that worldview means God is interested in everything he created."

Undoing the Damage Done by Dewey

Unfortunately, Smithwick says, many Christian young people today are not being taught to think biblically in all areas of life. That is why he urges parents, pastors and Christian teachers to take advantage of the Nehemiah Institute's worldview testing, training, and resources. And this is why he has been promoting the Institute's programs this week at the Alliance for the Separation of School and State Conference in Washington, DC.

Undoing Dewey -- that's the goal of the program, according to Smithwick. He refers to the secular humanist principles of John Dewey (1859-1952), the philosopher and education reformer whose principles have shaped public education in America. Dewey promoted a philosophy of education with the premise that learning by doing (experimentalism) should form the basis of education, and any idea or concept is validated by its practicality (pragmatism). Some Christian educators consider these ideas to be precursors to "values clarification" and other questionable teaching models that advocate moral relativism, but which are commonly taught in teacher education and used in U.S. public schools.

Smithwick says his program of PEERS testing indicates that Christian students are by no means immune to the secular humanism being taught in public schools, but have in fact been dramatically influenced by it. "The way we got this was by testing youth groups in evangelical churches," he says. "The majority of the kids are in public schools. In many cases, 100 percent of them are in public schools."

The Nehemiah Institute president says many pastors like to call these young people their "best kids" since this group, at least, are involved in a church youth group. Still, he asserts that these kids have not escaped with an intact biblical worldview. "They're in public school," he says, "and they're buying into the philosophy of life that's being put before them five days a week, six or seven hours a day."

Smithwick recommends PEERS testing as an aid for Christians who want to make sure their young people develop a distinctly biblical worldview. He advises Church parents to disconnect from government schooling and, along with pastors and other Christian educators, to engage in worldview assessment and training.

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Ldir

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Cliff Notes: Rip posts yet another junk science article published by a religious propaganda group.

Here is another :cookie: for your giant collection.
 

Riprorin

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Clif Notes?

Humanism remains the established religion of our land, and the public schools are the main vehicle for the promotion of its worldview.

If you want your kids brainwashed, send them to public school.

 

desy

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No I haven't been duped. I don't expect Christian ethics taught in public schools in fact I have a few friends that opted out of the Catholic school system because they didn't want the religion component of education.
Which brand of Christian Religion should be taught?
 

Riprorin

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"Unlike Cuba, the United States is a mostly free and basically democratic society. And yet, the liberal elite that controls America?s public schools is as adverse to educational choice, as the party elite that rules Cuba is. When we think of the way secular, liberals stifle religious expression in education, we usually focus on school prayer, Christmas carols, and the like. But educational choice (vouchers, tuition tax credits) is itself a religious freedom issue. In America, religious liberty is based on the self-evident principle that parents have a right to impart spiritual values to their children. No one would deny that a mother and father have a right to take their children to church or synagogue services, to celebrate religious holidays, to perform rituals, and to read the Bible together in their homes. But the amount of time the average family devotes to church attendance, religious instruction, and home devotion is minimal compared to the 7 hours a day, 35 hours a week that the public schools have their children as a captive audience."

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There should be a choice. Why is the only option, besides private education, a system that undermines the values and beliefs of many people of faith?
 

joshw10

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
If you want your kids brainwashed, send them to public school.

Everyone I know that has gone to Catholic school has come out an Atheist.
 

Engineer

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If you don't like the public school system, simple answers: Private or homeschool. End of Line!
 

joshw10

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Dewey promoted a philosophy of education with the premise that learning by doing (experimentalism) should form the basis of education, and any idea or concept is validated by its practicality (pragmatism).

Am I interpreting this correctly to mean that this is bad because it teaches kids to believe things that make sense, and therefore they won't believe in whacko Creationist ideas?
 

TheBDB

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There should be a choice. Why is the only option, besides private education, a system that undermines the values and beliefs of many people of faith?

What do you suggest?
 

TheBDB

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Cliff Notes: Kids choose reality over fantasy, those who are losing power are pissed.
 
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School sucks period. FOR ONE REASON. If you don't have asesire to learn something, why are you forced to learn it?

I could care less for spanish, history and stuff like that. Truth is, it is 99.9% useless in my life today. But god forbid we have a C compiler in the lab.... Software engiener today and I ahve to say that public school is totally wrong.

While knowledge is power, it's not all needed to everyone.

But I learned ONE BIG LESSON. Learn to think for myself. Have since about the 7th grade. Because of this, I will retire at 40 unless I get greedy.

The most important lessons for me were learned from movies:
"Time to start living or time to start dieing"
"Money isn't real"
And most shocking, this is the most important thing ever, from American History-X:
"Analyze, Interpret, repeat ..."

I seriously use the concept of "Analyze, Interpret, repeat ..." on almost a daily basis. Not for my full time gig, but for the accumulation of wealth. I analyzed the cost/benefit of going to grad school and I'm sorry to say, it's a TOTAL WASTE OF MONEY. Spend 3-5 years learning about the stock market, valuation and how options work. Profit.

Want a new car, try analyzingthat sometime and how much of your after tax icome gets dumped on that.

Anyways....
 

HalosPuma

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
socialism, a political and economic philosophy that commonly emphasizes government control and redistribution of wealth over personal responsibility and private ownership, often goes hand in hand with secularist attitudes and a generally non-biblical worldview.

We should eliminate the Department of Education and close down all public schools. There is a massive amount of bureaucratic waste in the public school education. Privatize them all and the costs will go down while the quality will increase. And further, we need to get very tough on juvenile delinquents so they do not disrupt the lives of those who seek to learn.

My parents sent me to Catholic school my whole life and the costs were actually less than what the State spent on each pupil, yet the education was tremendously better. It is also unfair that they had to pay taxes to fund other family's children's public school education.

Public school is nothing more than a government-run bureaucracy and liberal social-experiment. Witness all of the "new math" and "timmy has 2 mommies, sandy has 2 daddies" crap that is taught there. All public school does is churn out mindless drones indoctrinated to believe they are helpless and require government assistance in order to live their lives.
 

yllus

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When it comes to major moral and social issues, the Nehemiah Institute spokesman contends there is a dramatic difference in thinking between students in public schools and those in Christian schools. This is because, while Christian school students are generally taught curricula predicated on a biblical worldview, students educated in public schools, even when they grow up in Christian homes, tend to a very high degree to adopt the non-biblical and socialistic worldviews of the secular humanists in control of their education.
It should be obvious that public schools don't tout a biblical worldview. What's this about socialistic worldviews though? I doubt public schools down there in the States are any more socialist than what I went through in Canada, and I lean conservative.

Religion teachings are traditionally the responsibility of the parent - school them yourself in the Bible, send them to afterschool classes, whatever. This is the proper stance for a nation with a distinct separation of chuch/state to take.
Unfortunately, Smithwick says, many Christian young people today are not being taught to think biblically in all areas of life. That is why he urges parents, pastors and Christian teachers to take advantage of the Nehemiah Institute's worldview testing, training, and resources.
You sure this is a legitimate study and not a poorly disguised promo?
 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: TheBDB
There should be a choice. Why is the only option, besides private education, a system that undermines the values and beliefs of many people of faith?

What do you suggest?

Here's one way:

Rather than having government administrators assigning children to public schools based on their address, families should select the school they want to send their children to.

The choice should include all schools, including private and parochial schools.

The government then directs the tuition payment, which the government assures to all students, to the school of choice.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: TheBDB
There should be a choice. Why is the only option, besides private education, a system that undermines the values and beliefs of many people of faith?

What do you suggest?

Here's one way:

Rather than having government administrators assigning children to public schools based on their address, families should select the school they want to send their children to.

The choice should include all schools, including private and parochial schools.

The government then directs the tuition payment, which the government assures to all students, to the school of choice.


Ah, you want a bigger government with even more red tape. How about YOU personally teach your children what you wish and not worry so much about it?
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: joshw10
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Moron

Thanks for sharing!

All the best to you in the New Year! May God richly bless you!

-Charlie


That wasn't about you.

Definition: See "moron" above the quoted OP.
 

halik

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Originally posted by: HalosPuma
Originally posted by: Riprorin
socialism, a political and economic philosophy that commonly emphasizes government control and redistribution of wealth over personal responsibility and private ownership, often goes hand in hand with secularist attitudes and a generally non-biblical worldview.

We should eliminate the Department of Education and close down all public schools. There is a massive amount of bureaucratic waste in the public school education. Privatize them all and the costs will go down while the quality will increase. And further, we need to get very tough on juvenile delinquents so they do not disrupt the lives of those who seek to learn.

My parents sent me to Catholic school my whole life and the costs were actually less than what the State spent on each pupil, yet the education was tremendously better. It is also unfair that they had to pay taxes to fund other family's children's public school education.

Public school is nothing more than a government-run bureaucracy and liberal social-experiment. Witness all of the "new math" and "timmy has 2 mommies, sandy has 2 daddies" crap that is taught there. All public school does is churn out mindless drones indoctrinated to believe they are helpless and require government assistance in order to live their lives.


haha i wish you were born as elijah jackson from Warren, MI. Your parents gross income is 35G and you have two other siblings. That leaves you with the choice of "wallmart highschool" and "dollar store academy" for your education. Have fun making it in life.

I love how all these self-righeous elitists claim public education is useless and how well they did in their private school etc. etc. IT WAS YOUR PARENTS MONEY that allowed you to be in that evironment. Your entire argument is based on the luck you had to be born in a wealthy family. It has nothing to do with your merits, intellect or determination. It's a lot different if you come from a family that can barely make bills from month to month.

The purpose of education is not to allow the wealthy to succeed. It's give everyone the same opportunity to make it in life. Our household income exceeds 200K, but that should NOT give me edge of a kid whos parents make 40k

 

Riprorin

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Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: joshw10
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Moron

Thanks for sharing!

All the best to you in the New Year! May God richly bless you!

-Charlie


That wasn't about you.

Definition: See "moron" above the quoted OP.

That's okay. I'll wish him well anyway. I don't think that HalosPuma will mind.
 

Engineer

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: Engineer
Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: joshw10
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Moron

Thanks for sharing!

All the best to you in the New Year! May God richly bless you!

-Charlie


That wasn't about you.

Definition: See "moron" above the quoted OP.

That's okay. I'll wish him well anyway. I don't think that HalosPuma has a mind.

That's OK. I have fixed that for you.

 

Taejin

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What's the furor all about? That's a good article, although I see it less as a "disturbing" trend and more as a "positive" trend.
 

halik

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Originally posted by: Riprorin
Originally posted by: TheBDB
There should be a choice. Why is the only option, besides private education, a system that undermines the values and beliefs of many people of faith?

What do you suggest?

Here's one way:

Rather than having government administrators assigning children to public schools based on their address, families should select the school they want to send their children to.

The choice should include all schools, including private and parochial schools.

The government then directs the tuition payment, which the government assures to all students, to the school of choice.

that would make sense, pending that money doesn't play role in terms of getting enrolled into the school. Basically it would create supply/demand market that doesnt depend on your income.

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come to think of it, there would be slight problem in terms of geographical locaiton. Schools in bad areas would lose a lot of people to schools in better areas, which might cause a problem in terms of transportation. But that could be solved with school busses i guess, the only disadvantage would be that the kids from bad areas would have to get up earlier.