Have we seen the end of the white male president?

[tnitsuj]

With the changing demographics in the US towards a non-white majority, increasing political participation by women and "minorities", and possibly a continued thirst for change..do you see another white male being elected president in the next twenty or so years.

With the 44th president not even sworn in the Republican party is already talking about a woman (Sarah Palin) and a non white male (Gov Jindal LA) as possible candidates in 2012. Their does not seem to be any enthusiasm for a traditional white male candidate.

 

[Farang]

Palin is a joke and I'm amused by talk of her in 2012. Jindal is someone to watch. But if it isn't Jindal, everyone else is a white male. So no I don't think it is the end.

 

[StageLeft]

Originally posted by: Farang
Palin is a joke and I'm amused by talk of her in 2012. Jindal is someone to watch. But if it isn't Jindal, everyone else is a white male. So no I don't think it is the end.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

no, we have not seen the end. Just because something "new" happened doesn't mean it will continue to happen.

 

[Double Trouble]

The odds of a white male president are certainly not what they were before (100%), but this election was not a normal one either. You had an extremely unpopular two term incumbent, a horrible economy, an old candidate who is seen as very much like the unpopular current president, a slick used-car-salesman challenger adored by the media. Combine it all, and voila. For comparison, how do you think Obama would have fared against a (white guy) like Bill Clinton in 1996? Or against a Reagan? etc etc. The situation was perfect for Obama, he took advantage of it, but I don't think the game has somehow fundamentally changed. Sure, it will continue to move in that direction as whites become a minority.

 

[BeauJangles]

We've had changing demographics for the last ten years in this country and most of our reps are white males. What makes you think it's going to be drastically different with presidential elections?

 

[jpeyton]

Yes

And we'll probably see a Latino president or vice president before 2025.

 

[compuwiz1]

We got one into the Whitehouse as a novelty.

 

[Jeff7]

Sadly, I see Palin as getting a lot of support in 2012 if they market her right, and get her trained up for the role over the next few years.

Kind of sad.

 

[ProfJohn]

The 'thirst for change' idea is completely incorrect.

We wanted this change and got it this year. Four years from now people may want something totally different.

If Obama is a failure then people may want a return to the traditional governor as President thing that has become the norm the last 30 years.

 

[TallBill]

I guess we'll find out?

 

[conehead433]

Have we seen the end to electing moronic, idiotic chimps as President? God, I hope so.

 

[Lemon law]

I think it may be almost a ticket balancing must do for both parties in the future. If not for the poor organization of the Hillary campaign, its very probable she should have prevailed. First over Obama and then over McCain in the general election.

2008 firmly cracked the glass ceiling of race and gender, and while its hard for me to see Palin as the future of the GOP, she will inspire others in the GOP who otherwise would not try to aspire to political office. And Hillary and Obama will inspire new generations of democratic women and minorities to run as mainstream candidates, with more going on to think they too are Presidential timber.

Meanwhile the female electorate is going to increasingly demand female candidates, and were not happy with the warts and blemishes of Palin or Hillary, but when a less blemished female candidate does run,
they may even cross party lines to vote her in.

 

[mugs]

Look at the composition of the senate. White males still overwhelmingly hold the most power in this country.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The 'thirst for change' idea is completely incorrect.

We wanted this change and got it this year. Four years from now people may want something totally different.

If Obama is a failure then people may want a return to the traditional governor as President thing that has become the norm the last 30 years.

Heh. Failure, you say?

His predecessor and the associated ideology have set the bar rather low, basically the lowest since 1932, so that's mostly wishful thinking on the part of Obama's detractors.

With any luck at all, the Obama presidency will pave the way for a more ethnically diverse America to have more ethnically diverse presidents, too... and that's a good thing, unless you're still depending on the southern strategy of every repub president since Nixon, in which case you may have a problem...

 

[OCGuy]

Originally posted by: tnitsuj
With the changing demographics in the US towards a non-white majority, increasing political participation by women and "minorities", and possibly a continued thirst for change..do you see another white male being elected president in the next twenty or so years.

With the 44th president not even sworn in the Republican party is already talking about a woman (Sarah Palin) and a non white male (Gov Jindal LA) as possible candidates in 2012. Their does not seem to be any enthusiasm for a traditional white male candidate.

:roll:


No.

 

[Perknose]

Originally posted by: Skoorb

Originally posted by: Farang
Palin is a joke and I'm amused by talk of her in 2012. Jindal is someone to watch. But if it isn't Jindal, everyone else is a white male. So no I don't think it is the end.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The 'thirst for change' idea is completely incorrect.

We wanted this change and got it this year. Four years from now people may want something totally different.

If Obama is a failure then people may want a return to the traditional governor as President thing that has become the norm the last 30 years.

Heh. Failure, you say?

His predecessor and the associated ideology have set the bar rather low, basically the lowest since 1932, so that's mostly wishful thinking on the part of Obama's detractors.

With any luck at all, the Obama presidency will pave the way for a more ethnically diverse America to have more ethnically diverse presidents, too... and that's a good thing, unless you're still depending on the southern strategy of every repub president since Nixon, in which case you may have a problem...

Obama isn't going to be judged on whether he sucks less than Bush.

4 years from now Bush will be a distant memory and people will grade Obama on his performance and nothing else.

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

4 years from now Bush will be a distant memory and people will grade Obama on his performance and nothing else.

But yet people compare Bushs performance to Nixons all the time. A terribleprez who has been gone for ages.
Don't count on it bub, people will remember Bushs legacy of shit for a LONG time.
Probably long after Nixon is forgotten.

 

[ProfJohn]

I think the more relevant question is whether the Democratic Party has nominated its last all white male ticket.

Obama won several key primaries based on the black vote alone, that could easily happen again in 2012 with the right candidate.
Then you have its large female voter based inclined to vote for a female candidate.

Add the two together and any white male is going to find himself fighting for votes.

 

[Muse]

The "end?" Sheesh. What you have seen is the end of the complete dominance of the office by white males. And the guy who broke that streak is half white, mind you.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

4 years from now Bush will be a distant memory and people will grade Obama on his performance and nothing else.

But yet people compare Bushs performance to Nixons all the time. A terribleprez who has been gone for ages.
Don't count on it bub, people will remember Bushs legacy of shit for a LONG time.
Probably long after Nixon is forgotten.

But they aren't going to give Obama a free pass because he sucks less than Bush. If that were the case Ford would have won in 1976.

Also Bush will be forgotten a lot faster than you think. By 1985 everything that had gone wrong under Carter had been corrected. If Obama does a good job and the economy turns around and Iraq turns out the way it looks like it will turn out then Bush will be just a memory by 2012.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: Jhhnn

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
The 'thirst for change' idea is completely incorrect.

We wanted this change and got it this year. Four years from now people may want something totally different.

If Obama is a failure then people may want a return to the traditional governor as President thing that has become the norm the last 30 years.

Heh. Failure, you say?

His predecessor and the associated ideology have set the bar rather low, basically the lowest since 1932, so that's mostly wishful thinking on the part of Obama's detractors.

With any luck at all, the Obama presidency will pave the way for a more ethnically diverse America to have more ethnically diverse presidents, too... and that's a good thing, unless you're still depending on the southern strategy of every repub president since Nixon, in which case you may have a problem...

Ethnic diversity in the presidency is not inherently good. It is a fact that the majority of Americans who are qualified to be president are white males. If the best person for the job is a white male, what is the value of electing someone else?

 

[Steeplerot]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I think the more relevant question is whether the Democratic Party has nominated its last all white male ticket.

Obama won several key primaries based on the black vote alone, that could easily happen again in 2012 with the right candidate.
Then you have its large female voter based inclined to vote for a female candidate.

Add the two together and any white male is going to find himself fighting for votes.

The laws of averages mean you are probably right. Males are not even barely half the population. Much less the white ones. Dez here are changin times my friend.


I for one welcome our new multi-cultural/ethnic overlords.

 

[Jhhnn]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: TheRedUnderURBed

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

4 years from now Bush will be a distant memory and people will grade Obama on his performance and nothing else.

But yet people compare Bushs performance to Nixons all the time. A terribleprez who has been gone for ages.
Don't count on it bub, people will remember Bushs legacy of shit for a LONG time.
Probably long after Nixon is forgotten.

But they aren't going to give Obama a free pass because he sucks less than Bush. If that were the case Ford would have won in 1976.

Also Bush will be forgotten a lot faster than you think. By 1985 everything that had gone wrong under Carter had been corrected. If Obama does a good job and the economy turns around and Iraq turns out the way it looks like it will turn out then Bush will be just a memory by 2012.

You really are grasping at straws. Ford was of the same party as Nixon, remember? Think that might have had anything to do with it?

Nice bit of propaganda wrt the Reagan years, as well.

And, uhh, anybody who thinks that this financial and fiscal imbrogolio that started under Reagan will be over by 2012 is delusional. We're just starting into it, and the worst effects will remain rightfully chained around the necks of the repub party... for a very long time to come.