Have people gotten stupid lately!?

[Gamingphreek]

What happened to the experienced, knowledgeable users on this forum.

First off, AMD/ATI is not going to go out of business. Just because they don't have their High End part out yet, does not mean they are in any trouble whatsoever. Not only that, they haven't lost much market share at all. Think about it, there is a very small percentage that buys High End Video cards.

Nvidia's drivers are not as bad as people (Particularly the Inq) make them out to be. You are an absolute fan boy if you think their drivers are bad enough that they might as well not have released the card. While they have their bugs (more than normal), they are improving with each release. Nvidia may not have chosen the best to release a completely new architecture on top of providing support for a new OS.

These lawsuits are ridiculous, go nowhere, and help nobody. What in the world are people's basis for a class action lawsuit? They don't have the drivers we are used to out. I'll give you a hint, this happens with every single new OS (MS based) release. All you are going to do is divide the companies attention and cause everyone else a whole lot of grief. Reminding them that we are here and waiting is good, but seriously these lawsuits are absolutely ludicrous.

Now, people posting that they are swearing off one brand or the other have lost it as well. Why would you swear off an entire brand because they continue to push it back. Are you saying that if they produce a card 2x as fast you wont buy it because it was late? For those who are swearing Nvidia off- Are you saying you are going to swear them off forever because they don't have the most stable drivers out there? Give me a break people, stop being prima donna's and live with it!

I honestly hope people will start thinking before they exaggerate beyond belief the events pertaining to the video cards.

-Kevin

 

[Roguestar]

You must be thinking of somewhere else, this is the Video subforum, where FUD and fanboyism is more important than facts and evidence.

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: Roguestar
You must be thinking of somewhere else, this is the Video subforum, where FUD and fanboyism is more important than facts and evidence.

Yes, but we still have our fair share of level headed people. I would almost prefer the times prior to this where people argued who was better and what not.

-Kevin

 

[Roguestar]

Hopefully when R600 comes out everyone will calm down and get back to "my X2X9500XTX2 is better than your 9898800GTXSX KOC" .

 

[StopSign]

People lost their minds when they bought SLI 8800GTX setups, and some of those who bought one 8800GTX "planned to get another one next year for SLI."

 

[tuteja1986]

Look Gamingphreek , no one doubts ATI R600 be able to beat G80. But most people are really pissed about the huge delay and the indication that R600 consume 240W which is totall crazy if you think about. No one here is saying AMD will ever get demolished but ATI hasn't been enjoying good profit since 9800pros was the king of GPU. ATI has done good things to take the performance crown ever round. X850XT PE fastest GPU ... X1950XTX fastest single core GPU. but they have been loosing market share rapidly.

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2004/10/27/graphics_chip_market_q3_04/ >> Q3 of 2004
http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2005/01/26/graphics_chip_sales_q4_04/ >> Q4 of 2004
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/12/06/q3_06_graphics_market/ >> Q3 of 2006

http://www.channelregister.co.uk/2007/02/14/nvidia_results_q4_07/

 

[Gamingphreek]

Look Gamingphreek , no one doubts ATI R600 be able to beat G80.

Speak for yourself. Obviously they are having problems with it. How do you know it will beat the G80?

But most people are really pissed about the huge delay and the indication that R600 consume 240W which is totall crazy if you think about.

Gotta love the Inquirer links.

No one here is saying AMD will ever get demolished but ATI hasn't been enjoying good profit since 9800pros was the king of GPU. ATI has done good things to take the performance crown ever round. X850XT PE fastest GPU ... X1950XTX fastest single core GPU. but they have been loosing market share rapidly.

Umm what? The X850 was definitely not faster than the 6 series. Better IQ, absolutely, but certainly not faster. Not enjoying good profit. The X1900 series is arguably the best bang for your buck series out there and is most definitely the better choice over the 7 series both IQ and performance wise.

ATi division of AMD isn't going anywhere and will have no problems. NV30 was late and people cried foul and Nvidia then released the excellent 6 series that showed how good the FX architecture could have been.

Both companies have their ups and downs, you just think people on a tech forum would have the knowledge not to jump on each and every single problem.

-Kevin

 

[apoppin]

Originally posted by: GamingphreekHave people gotten stupid lately!?
-Kevin

*lately?*

no

 

[Gamingphreek]

Originally posted by: apoppin

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Have people gotten more stupid than normal lately!?
-Kevin

*lately?*

no

Haha let me correct myself then.

 

[apoppin]

more stupid "than normal"

we're talking about *video*, right ?

i think you created an oxymoron

you're digging yourself in deeper
:Q



imagine if Rollo were still here
:shocked:

:laugh:

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Umm what? The X850 was definitely not faster than the 6 series. Better IQ, absolutely, but certainly not faster.

Have a look through this:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/pc-x850xt-x800xl.html

It wins most benchmarks and sometimes by a huge margin. When the 6800Ultra wins it isn't by a huge margin. All the values shown are for 1600x1200 with 4AA and 16x AF.

Game|X850XT PE (fps)|6800Ultra (fps)
Doom3 (Hellhole) | 30.7 | 38.6
Doom3 (d3dm4) | 39.2 | 45.8
UT2004(Torlan) | 77.8 | 62.5
UT2004(Metallurgy) | 89.9 | 76.3
Riddick | 29.3 | 36.4
FarCry (pier) | 61.8 | 46.7
FarCry (research) | 60.6 | 47.5
Painkiller | 131.8 | 89.3 <---:Q lol
HL2 (canals) | 76.8 | 63
SC: Pandora | 56.3 | 49.7
PoP: Warrior within | 95.6 | 77.9
IL 2 | 18.8 | 29.2
Lock On | 18.9 | 19.6
Colin Mcrae | 65.1 | 40.8
Warhammer | 32.4 | 31.4
Perimeter | 22.4 | 24.7

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

Look Gamingphreek , no one doubts ATI R600 be able to beat G80.

Speak for yourself. Obviously they are having problems with it. How do you know it will beat the G80?

But most people are really pissed about the huge delay and the indication that R600 consume 240W which is totall crazy if you think about.

Gotta love the Inquirer links.

No one here is saying AMD will ever get demolished but ATI hasn't been enjoying good profit since 9800pros was the king of GPU. ATI has done good things to take the performance crown ever round. X850XT PE fastest GPU ... X1950XTX fastest single core GPU. but they have been loosing market share rapidly.

Umm what? The X850 was definitely not faster than the 6 series. Better IQ, absolutely, but certainly not faster. Not enjoying good profit. The X1900 series is arguably the best bang for your buck series out there and is most definitely the better choice over the 7 series both IQ and performance wise.

ATi division of AMD isn't going anywhere and will have no problems. NV30 was late and people cried foul and Nvidia then released the excellent 6 series that showed how good the FX architecture could have been.

Both companies have their ups and downs, you just think people on a tech forum would have the knowledge not to jump on each and every single problem.

-Kevin

Yes go back in memory lane since alot of people forget about the past :

From HardOP which was called a bias review towards nvidia by alot of people back then.

http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=Njk3LDExLCw=

"Make no bones about it, the X850XT-PE can easily best the NVIDIA 6800Ultra in many of today?s latest 3D gaming titles, and Catalyst driver maturation is evident in these latest evaluations. And while it does fall a bit behind in DOOM 3, it hardly delivers anything close to what could be described as ?bad? performance."

http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=936&page=7
"At the time of writing, Radeon X850 XT Platinum Edition is undoubtedly the fastest graphics product money can buy."

http://www.guru3d.com/article/content/176/15/
"Of course the Radeon x850 XT PE is the fastest thing around, once you have it in your rig you will absolutely love it. Whatever task you'll assign it in terms of media playback, 2D desktop, recording video and of course playing games You'll simply love it. You better start saving though because the prices of the fastest graphics cards around are getting a bit more steep then is good for them."


http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/ati_radeon_x850xt_agp/page12.asp

Just look at bechmark at high res.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: apoppin
more stupid "than normal"

we're talking about *video*, right ?

i think you created an oxymoron

you're digging yourself in deeper
:Q



imagine if Rollo were still here
:shocked:

:laugh:

Rollo is still hear among us... some say he is crusader and other say he is wreckage. Which ever new name he goes by now... he will always be in our memory. He wasn?t a NVIDIA employee like most people believe but he was associated to NVIDIA viral program which brought his downfall :frown: . He represented Nvidia like no one could do in our little anandtech forum.

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Umm what? The X850 was definitely not faster than the 6 series. Better IQ, absolutely...

-Kevin

Oh, so the ATi Radeon X series of video cards had SM3 and HDR support. :roll:

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Umm what? The X850 was definitely not faster than the 6 series. Better IQ, absolutely...

-Kevin

Oh, so the ATi Radeon X series of video cards had SM3 and HDR support. :roll:

That was the biggest selling point but no game actually took advantage of HDR or SM3 untill end of if its life span. I believe farcry introduced SM3 1st and then HDR.

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Umm what? The X850 was definitely not faster than the 6 series. Better IQ, absolutely...

-Kevin

Oh, so the ATi Radeon X series of video cards had SM3 and HDR support. :roll:

That was the biggest selling point but no game actually took advantage of HDR or SM3 untill end of if its life span. I believe farcry introduced SM3 1st and then HDR.

I hope you're talking about the GeForce 6 series because I remember that the X series can't support SM3.

 

[StopSign]

SM3 and HDR was horrible on the Geforce 6 series anyway.

And no, Radeon X series did not have either of them.

 

[tuteja1986]

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Umm what? The X850 was definitely not faster than the 6 series. Better IQ, absolutely...

-Kevin

Oh, so the ATi Radeon X series of video cards had SM3 and HDR support. :roll:

That was the biggest selling point but no game actually took advantage of HDR or SM3 untill end of if its life span. I believe farcry introduced SM3 1st and then HDR.

I hope you're talking about the GeForce 6 series because I remember that the X series can't support SM3.

That comment was towards Nvidia. I know ATI didn't support SM3 or HDR with R400.

 

[evolucion8]

The X850XT PE outperforms the 6800Ultra by a wider margin in current tittles than in tittles released 2 or 3 years ago. For some reason the R4X0 architecture scales very well in intensive games far better than the NV40 architecture, for me, the G70 is what NV40 was supposed to be. Try to play Oblivion on a 6800 Ultra at 1024x768 (I know is a lowly resolution, but this game is quite demanding even at that resolution with anti aliasing) with 4XFSAA and 16xAF and everything on max and see what I mean, the X850XTPE is far more playable. I was able to play that game with the make it pretty mod at that resolution and eye candy and never dipped below 25fps and the average was about 45's. I was surprised considering that I have a P4 and the hype of the game being a resource hog.

 

[GundamSonicZeroX]

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX

Originally posted by: tuteja1986

Originally posted by: GundamSonicZeroX

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek
Umm what? The X850 was definitely not faster than the 6 series. Better IQ, absolutely...

-Kevin

Oh, so the ATi Radeon X series of video cards had SM3 and HDR support. :roll:

That was the biggest selling point but no game actually took advantage of HDR or SM3 untill end of if its life span. I believe farcry introduced SM3 1st and then HDR.

I hope you're talking about the GeForce 6 series because I remember that the X series can't support SM3.

That comment was towards Nvidia. I know ATI didn't support SM3 or HDR with R400.

Okay, just wanted to make sure

 

[ArchAngel777]

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

-Kevin

I am pretty sure all of these problems could be solved if you quit signing your name after every post.

 

[Aikouka]

To me, it looks like AMD's stock price is causing people to write the eulogies ahead of time, not necessarily their lack of proper equipment.

Oh and saying "we know R600 will be better than G80" is just like me saying "I know G80 will be better than R600"... it's a bunch of crap and stop trying to back it up with "Oh but in the previous generation!" Who cares about the previous generation in this case! G80 isn't based on the G60 or G70! So simply STFU until we have benchmarks from a reputable source, then you're more than welcome to preach the results... whatever they may be .

 

[xtknight]

I've noticed a gradual increase in my own stupidity after several days in ATOT. So I've come back for rehab.

 

[evolucion8]

Originally posted by: Aikouka
To me, it looks like AMD's stock price is causing people to write the eulogies ahead of time, not necessarily their lack of proper equipment.

Oh and saying "we know R600 will be better than G80" is just like me saying "I know G80 will be better than R600"... it's a bunch of crap and stop trying to back it up with "Oh but in the previous generation!" Who cares about the previous generation in this case! G80 isn't based on the G60 or G70! So simply STFU until we have benchmarks from a reputable source, then you're more than welcome to preach the results... whatever they may be .

:thumbsup:

 

[StopSign]

Originally posted by: ArchAngel777

Originally posted by: Gamingphreek

-Kevin

I am pretty sure all of these problems could be solved if you quit signing your name after every post.

:light: