Have I helped anyone realize that the 14th Amendment sucks?

[Anarchist420]

All it did was make it easier to spread a bad example. See Buck v. VA, then think about how no central power means setting a good example... after all that, please reply to me. Small states of equal power is as close to total equality before the law as you can get.

That said, all the Federalist Party wanted was a more global macrostate (possibly what they meant when they said they wanted a "more perfect union and domestic tranquilization") of conquest, by conquest, and for conquest... all to allow the elitists to alienationalize America and to allow the most evil men to get to the top. It was just like Nazi Germany which was governed by rule of an artificially elite group of men. The Constitution is the most progressive Rooseveltian (no wonder FDR said "Happy Constitution Day") legislation ever made by such sick, flawed, dishonest men who were little better than self centered fartin' bartin' richard craniums... they also helped to preserve the illusion of Citizenship, BTW.

CA would be better off if they were like Switzerland and had a council of executives all of equal power, then complimenting that with a direct democracy. Direct democracy fails there currently because of diverse interests which is aided by the fact that only one governor and all of that allows for a unitary state. Having one governor is far more majoritarian (and plutocratic at the same time) than a true social contract which could be so by providing 3 or 7 co-governors, True Representatives (not Rulers), and a direct democracy to make dual sovereignty work and to put power into the hands of the people. The Federalist Party (better known as the Rooseveltian National Progressive Corporatist State Party... the first prominent Roosevelt in America was a New York Federalist Businessman who voted against the First NY Gov and Constitutional Confederalist George Clinton FFS!) didn't want to do that because they wanted forced nationalism rather than voluntary nationalism, I'm afraid.

 

[CallMeJoe]

Have I helped anyone realize that the 14th Amendment sucks?

No.

 

[soundforbjt]

Nope.

 

[Perknose]

Nuh uh.

 

[JEDIYoda]

nope

 

[CrackRabbit]

You've made me realize your parents need to make you take your meds and take away your internet connection.

Oh and get a job you hippie.

 

[MomentsofSanity]

You've made me realize that 80th trimester abortions should be legal in some circumstances.

 

[DCal430]

Yes who needs right, the 14th amendment does one thing and one thing only, protect all of our rights.

 

[Nintendesert]

Which one is the 14th again Anarchist?

 

[shortylickens]

Which one is the 14th again Anarchist?

Cant be deprived without due process.
Also assists equal rights for coloreds. 1868.

But it had to be reinforced with other rulings to give blacks the vote, end segregation, and protect women.

 

[Doppel]

Insane person asks seriously if his arguments to the sane have changed their minds.

Answer resounds as "no".

 

[DCal430]

Cant be deprived without due process.
Also assists equal rights for coloreds. 1868.

But it had to be reinforced with other rulings to give blacks the vote, end segregation, and protect women.

Originally it was to protect all of our rights, from separation of church and state in the states, to the right to jury trial. But the first case to deal with it, the slaughterhouse case the judges basically ignored the will of the authors of the amendment and allowed states to continue their trampling of rights.

Then in starting the early 20th century the courts began to reverse the slaughterhouse decision and began to interpret the 14th amendment to bind the bill of rights against the states as well. Before this though many states did not have jury trials for many crimes, had state religions, and school prayers.

The reality is no other amendment does more to protect our rights than the 14th.

 

[Nintendesert]

Originally it was to protect all of our rights, from separation of church and state in the states, to the right to jury trial. But the first case to deal with it, the slaughterhouse case the judges basically ignored the will of the authors of the amendment and allowed states to continue their trampling of rights.

Then in starting the early 20th century the courts began to reverse the slaughterhouse decision and began to interpret the 14th amendment to bind the bill of rights against the states as well. Before this though many states did not have jury trials for many crimes, had state religions, and school prayers.

The reality is no other amendment does more to protect our rights than the 14th.

And so in a world where we need the TSA guarding us from bad guys any Amendment that protects us is bad right?

 

[Lemon law]

Seems redundant by now, but as poster #14 on this thread, let me say NO too for the 14'th time.

After 14 No's and zero yes's, OP, even you should be getting a clue by now. Maybe you should be celebrating the fact the 14'th amendment protects your right to be a clueless idiot.

 

[Juror No. 8]

"Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."

- Mark Twain

 

[berzerker60]

Most of the worst parts of the terrible California governance are direct or indirect results of the 'direct democracy' we have in the ballot initiative system. It's destroyed our tax system, made passing a budget impossible, and gotten through more than a few abhorrent measures that wouldn't pass if they were being decided on by people who have the time to read up on the issues and learn about their full implications rather than the two-sentence summary on the ballot.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

You need to go to the doctor.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Wow. Anarchy has EVERYONE from both sides of the fence agreeing on something! That says something... Holy crap dude you're really messed up if you can't even find one other person in this loony place that agrees with you.

 

[DCal430]

Not to judge, but the way you type and write your sentences is very similar to the word salads you often see in the writing of schizophrenics. I really hope you talk to your doctor about this.

 

[Juror No. 8]

Unless you write something I agree with, you are a schizophrenic.

Reality is what the government and media says it is!

 

[thraashman]

Unless you write something I agree with, you are a schizophrenic.

Reality is what the government and media says it is!

No, you can write something I disagree with. Matt1970 and monovillage do it all the time. I do not believe either are schizophrenic. Anarchist here says stuff that not only EVERYONE disagrees with (when he gets Ron Pauls cock out of his mouth long enough to talk that is), he says shit that is just crazy as crap.

So as other have said, no you've convinced me of nothing because teh 14th Amendment is actually a very important and good Constitutional Amendment.

 

[SheHateMe]

Is this the same guy that made that thread about being a victim of "Predatory Stalking" or some crazy hulabaloo like that?

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Thanks, you helped me realize too much dr Paul and 420 is a really bad thing.

 

[Anarchist420]

Insane person asks seriously if his arguments to the sane have changed their minds.

That reply really helped piss me off. The reply you just gave also helps me to conclude that you lack the ability to read in between the lines as much as a person who can think outside the box should be able to. I've long known that I can't change anyone and I've been conscious of it for quite some time too. I don't know if you were trying to be funny, trolling, acting stupid. I can't help people that much, but it doesn't mean I can't help educate people on the 14th Amendment.

So as other have said, no you've convinced me of nothing because teh 14th Amendment is actually a very important and good Constitutional Amendment.

Why is it a "good Constitutional Amendment"? Why can't you see more of the bad in it? I may or may not see a tiny bit of good in it and it may or may not have been well intended (it was probably just as much about punishing the South as it was helping the blacks, and it was also to help the GOP make themselves look good and to allow them more counter revolutionary action at the expense of all else), but I see more bad in it because it has always centralized force of arms too much and maybe people like myself haven't and won't deserve due process. The 14th Amendment is the very worst Amendment actually because at least the people have some control over the 16th Amendment (the elite ruler class control the 14th so it is more statist) and it only seemed necessary to some because the Supreme Court at the time didn't approve it.

I realize I can't repeal it, but I hope I somewhat educated people on it and maybe inspired some change. Think about what Sam Adams said. I believe what he said is true to a degree although I don't exactly agree with him that the American Revolution was good. I'm ambivalent to it at best because I don't want to use violence or be conscripted to murder people especially with drugs of today and the statist (as in super aggressive and state created and sponsored) tech of the future. Great intellectuals like Mercy Otis Warren were too logical for primitive ultra-feminists like John Adams' wife... the latter couldn't handle the truth. The bill of Rights was definitely a long term mistake too (people would've seen the first 7 articles of the Federalist Party for what they were a lot quicker and there would've been more intellectual revolutions every generation than an ever lasting counter revolution and a lot misery happened before the Counter Revolution also) and in the short term.

 

[nehalem256]

The part that confuses me is that he is opposing an amendment that limits state government power?