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M$ does allow security related updates even on pirated software
Read an interveiw a while back about SP2 and the guy said that security stuff will always work no matter if its pirated or not
Dont have a link to the article, sorry
 
Originally posted by: ShadowBlade
M$ does allow security related updates even on pirated software
Read an interveiw a while back about SP2 and the guy said that security stuff will always work no matter if its pirated or not
Dont have a link to the article, sorry
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Automatic Updates will still work, but you can't get your security updates via Windows Update on pirated Windows.
 
Wait a minute, what the hell's the point in doing this if automatic updates will still work fine even on pirated copies? Just turn on automatic updates and you're good to go!
 
Pass or fail, once the Windows Genuine Advantage app has been run on your computer, it can be disabled within IE itself with seven mouse clicks. 😉
 
Originally posted by: wdb1966
Pass or fail, once the Windows Genuine Advantage app has been run on your computer, it can be disabled within IE itself with seven mouse clicks. 😉
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Haven't heard that one yet.

 
If piracy ended today I doubt the price of software and audio cds would lower. Microsoft would continue to make bloated operating systems and the record industry would still make the majority of profit from cd sales. When more companies and home users stop being influenced by mainstream hype and great marketing tactics only then will we see fair prices, better software, and better music.
 
Originally posted by: Dark Jedi
personally I dont consider what that one guy to have done to be considered cheating them out of money. I think the restrictions and regulations on software are way to corporate friendly. If i buy a copy of software, I should be able to use it on all my comptuers, not just one. Yes, I know its part of the EULA that you can't do that, but I still think its crap. Somewhere along the way someone figured out that they could gouge more money from the consumer be makeing them buy an extra copy of every computer they have, which is just wrong.

If there was no piracy, i doubt MS would drop prices. I think they would enjoy the fatter profits.
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I agree, the only reason that I have used one legit copy on MY 8 computers is because of the high cost, if MS software was cheaper in Australia I would gladly pay the extra, but at over AU$600 for WinXP PRO OEM and AU$1500 for Office XP pro, I think that i have the right to get my money's worth out of the software that I payed for.
the cost of those two items alone is more than what I spent on half of my computers.
 
Originally posted by: archcommus
Originally posted by: wdb1966
Pass or fail, once the Windows Genuine Advantage app has been run on your computer, it can be disabled within IE itself with seven mouse clicks. 😉
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Haven't heard that one yet.
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Tools > Internet Options > Advanced > Security > unclick or click on the item in question and come back and report.


 
Someone earlier said this didn't apply to Corp Pro. Well, try it on yours, because it certainly worked on mine. Hosed it for updates, too. I love it when such valuable information is being spread around by folks that don't have a clue.🙂

Rick
 
I hope microsoft really cracks down on piracy. If more people have to pay for windows, maybe they will demand more from microsoft in terms of security and stablity (not too much of an issue anymore). Most people look past minior issues with things that are free. But if you have to shell out the 150.00 you will be ticked when it doesn't work or doesn't work well.
 
Originally posted by: Rmcky
Someone earlier said this didn't apply to Corp Pro. Well, try it on yours, because it certainly worked on mine. Hosed it for updates, too. I love it when such valuable information is being spread around by folks that don't have a clue.🙂

Rick
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I thought that too, but you're right, it applies to all versions.

Drift3r hit it on the head though. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Dark Jedi
personally I dont consider what that one guy to have done to be considered cheating them out of money. I think the restrictions and regulations on software are way to corporate friendly. If i buy a copy of software, I should be able to use it on all my comptuers, not just one. Yes, I know its part of the EULA that you can't do that, but I still think its crap. Somewhere along the way someone figured out that they could gouge more money from the consumer be makeing them buy an extra copy of every computer they have, which is just wrong.

If there was no piracy, i doubt MS would drop prices. I think they would enjoy the fatter profits.
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You don't consider it wrong, but the law does. Think about this from a different angle. I work for a s/w test company. You write a neat automation tool and ask for $10 a computer. Instead I buy one copy ($10) and put it on our 1200+ computers in our testing labs. SO instead of the $12,000 you get 10. How would that make you feel? The licensing model is NOT corp friendly, as corps have a tendancy to have lots of computers.

If i buy a copy of software, I should be able to use it on all my comptuers, not just one.
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this statement really bothers me on a deeper level. I thing that if I buy a gun, I should be able to brandish it anywhere I want. Car deal not going my way? Maybe this will get me a better discount.

Or how about cars, I bought my car, I should be able to drive it whatever speed I want. Remember that when you get behind me and I"m doing 35 in the fast lane 😀


Regardless of wheather you agree with MS EULA/licensing policies, the fact of the matter is it's still ILLEGAL. If you pirate, install a copy on mulitple machines, move an OEM license, then that makes you a criminal. I am not an MS person, and I hate the fees for a craptastic (at best) OS. Lets buy copies legally, and hold them responsible for the end product. Change this the right way, not by "i'm gonna stick it to the man and use this pirated copy" attitude.
 
this statement really bothers me on a deeper level. I thing that if I buy a gun, I should be able to brandish it anywhere I want. Car deal not going my way? Maybe this will get me a better discount.

Or how about cars, I bought my car, I should be able to drive it whatever speed I want. Remember that when you get behind me and I"m doing 35 in the fast lane 😀


Regardless of wheather you agree with MS EULA/licensing policies, the fact of the matter is it's still ILLEGAL. If you pirate, install a copy on mulitple machines, move an OEM license, then that makes you a criminal. I am not an MS person, and I hate the fees for a craptastic (at best) OS. Lets buy copies legally, and hold them responsible for the end product. Change this the right way, not by "i'm gonna stick it to the man and use this pirated copy" attitude.
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I never said it wasn't ILLEGAL. I know it is. I was stating my opinion. And i don't think your analogies are very good. The reason you can't drive your car as fast as you want is a safety issue, not a cash one (same goes for your gun analogy). What if when you bought your car, they said that its illegal for anyone else to drive it but you. Sorry, that their policy. If your mom wants to drive, she'll just have to buy her own car. Your car breaks down, and you have your mom drop it off at the repair shop, sorry, you didnt buy this car, I wont fix it. The reason you can't put your software on more than 1 machine is because they want more money from you. Any other reason is pure BS.
 
Originally posted by: Dark Jedi
this statement really bothers me on a deeper level. I thing that if I buy a gun, I should be able to brandish it anywhere I want. Car deal not going my way? Maybe this will get me a better discount.

Or how about cars, I bought my car, I should be able to drive it whatever speed I want. Remember that when you get behind me and I"m doing 35 in the fast lane 😀


Regardless of wheather you agree with MS EULA/licensing policies, the fact of the matter is it's still ILLEGAL. If you pirate, install a copy on mulitple machines, move an OEM license, then that makes you a criminal. I am not an MS person, and I hate the fees for a craptastic (at best) OS. Lets buy copies legally, and hold them responsible for the end product. Change this the right way, not by "i'm gonna stick it to the man and use this pirated copy" attitude.
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I never said it wasn't ILLEGAL. I know it is. I was stating my opinion. And i don't think your analogies are very good. The reason you can't drive your car as fast as you want is a safety issue, not a cash one (same goes for your gun analogy). What if when you bought your car, they said that its illegal for anyone else to drive it but you. Sorry, that their policy. If your mom wants to drive, she'll just have to buy her own car. Your car breaks down, and you have your mom drop it off at the repair shop, sorry, you didnt buy this car, I wont fix it. The reason you can't put your software on more than 1 machine is because they want more money from you. Any other reason is pure BS.
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Well said, Mweaver come to Australia and we will see how long your attitude of "everybody should pay, it's the right thing to do" will last, we have lower wages than the US but Microsoft and a lot of other software companies charge much higher prices for each peice of software...try building a system on a budget here, very difficult to do unless you forget about the software which can double the price of a system.
Sometimes the right thing to do isn't always the best thing to do.
 
Originally posted by: Blackberry Junkie
Windows XP Corp Edition is immune to this Validation process on windows update 😀
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This statement is Bogus at best. I have been working on several peoples computers since MS started the validation process for this very reason. The kicker is that after the PC fails the validation they can no longer change the CD Key by editing the WPA OOBETimer in the registry by reactivating by phone as outlined here:

http://labmice.techtarget.com/windowsxp/articles/changeID.htm

I haven't looked into why this has happened to several of the people I know that are running the Corp version. But it in fact does unless you have a cdkey that MS thinks is a valid VLP key.

Corp Version Immunity = NO

pcgeek11
 
You know guys, I see every one arguing and stating that piracy is against the law, and it cost consumers ... & blah blah & blah... I ask, who make these laws ? ever thought of that, mostly the people who owns these Corp., & who benefits most out of these laws ? ... Do you guys really believe that if we all start paying for these mp3, or the softwares ? companies would actually lower the prices or start caring about consumers? Do u actually believe that. Heck I never bought a piece of software ever, and I will never? I even encourage people to share. Y not,
In todays capitalist society no matter what you and I you believe ,.. in the end it comes down to these big corporations hegemony who will do any thing to make more profits. MS annual revenues are more than entire continent of Africa ?. Do u ever think how much money music industries or most of software companies make ? any Idea ? It use to be that Govt. use to be for the People and by the people ? no more now govt. are only for corporations and by the corporations and they will always make some laws that benefits corporations, not you and me ?. If you are going to argue on basis of principle that ?its just not FAIR? ? well tell me something, who write these software?s ? do they get fair share of that wealth ? NO ? MS probably paying ? $ 5.00 a day to some guy in India ? .. He is never going to see more than fraction of penny that you pay for the legit Lic?. MS can do what ever they want ? come up with one validation process or another ? its always gonna be matter of time before someone comes along and find the crack ?. BRAVO to the guys who find these cracks and share.

That was my 2 cents ? ..
🙂
 
Originally posted by: VirtualMonk
That was my 2 cents ? ..
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Right! We need more thieves. :|

Your POS rant wasn't worth 2 cents. I want my money back. 😛
 
I've run across the validation problem as well. Because of my copy and how I got it licensed through my work (BIG organization) it is a volume license key for the corporate version of winXP Pro. It's been fine for all the updates, but windows update refuses to validate and go through because it is a volume license key.

So, here's the dilemma:
* It's a genuine version of windows, WU -should- work but doesn't. (C'mon MS, you got big bucks for a volume license, why give people grief?)
* Automatic updates would be fine if not for the fact that it poses a security problem: for it to work, the firewall has to let the generic service host (which can be used by any installed service) make outbound connections at will. Now this isn't a problem if you are directly connected, but if you are in a big organisation, you use a proxy. Resulting firewall rule would allow any service to connect to the proxy (and therefore to any address on the 'net) - This issue has been discussed with Microsoft and they refuse to do anything about it.

So.. Volume license key = no go. even if valid.
AU = no go, security issues.
 
Originally posted by: Dark Jedi
this statement really bothers me on a deeper level. I thing that if I buy a gun, I should be able to brandish it anywhere I want. Car deal not going my way? Maybe this will get me a better discount.

Or how about cars, I bought my car, I should be able to drive it whatever speed I want. Remember that when you get behind me and I"m doing 35 in the fast lane 😀


Regardless of wheather you agree with MS EULA/licensing policies, the fact of the matter is it's still ILLEGAL. If you pirate, install a copy on mulitple machines, move an OEM license, then that makes you a criminal. I am not an MS person, and I hate the fees for a craptastic (at best) OS. Lets buy copies legally, and hold them responsible for the end product. Change this the right way, not by "i'm gonna stick it to the man and use this pirated copy" attitude.
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I never said it wasn't ILLEGAL. I know it is. I was stating my opinion. And i don't think your analogies are very good. The reason you can't drive your car as fast as you want is a safety issue, not a cash one (same goes for your gun analogy). What if when you bought your car, they said that its illegal for anyone else to drive it but you. Sorry, that their policy. If your mom wants to drive, she'll just have to buy her own car. Your car breaks down, and you have your mom drop it off at the repair shop, sorry, you didnt buy this car, I wont fix it. The reason you can't put your software on more than 1 machine is because they want more money from you. Any other reason is pure BS.
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couldn't have said it better myself...
 
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