Have Democrats become delusional that Trump + Republican control of the government will soon depart?

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Bowfinger

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They shouldn't facilitate it, they don't have the political power to anyways. But they should also not shield the people from the consequences of their own votes or non-votes either. People learn by making mistakes and experiencing the consequences on their own skin. If you are poor, the consequence of voting for Republicans or staying home, is you losing your health insurance and other benefits so that the rich get tax cuts.
That's great in theory. The problem is learning from one's mistakes requires adequate knowledge and a clear view of cause and effect. The problem is the human brain is vulnerable to misdirection, especially when that brain is poorly educated and the illusionist is skilled. When the GOP's corruption is hidden beneath expertly-crafted propaganda, people are deceived about cause and effect. They believe the "alternative facts" fed to them. They get played again and again.
 

Bowfinger

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The country is NOT full of idiots. What the country is full of, however, are immoral people who have lost all sense of right and wrong, truth or lies, because they have come to believe that they are immune to their own consequences. Deep down, though, they know this is a delusion, so they are tormented by fear, and hateful of anything that might stir their conscience.
Well said.
 

AnonymouseUser

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You realize he was talking about you, right?

Of course I do. But he was talking about hateful, delusional people, and just because he directed it towards people like me doesn't mean he's correct. It just shows his/her/its delusion and hate.
 

Moonbeam

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The country is NOT full of idiots. What the country is full of, however, are immoral people who have lost all sense of right and wrong, truth or lies, because they have come to believe that they are immune to their own consequences. Deep down, though, they know this is a delusion, so they are tormented by fear, and hateful of anything that might stir their conscience.
As I have tried to communicate to you before, I regard you as one of the wisest naturals whose posts I have the pleasure to read, someone who has acquired deep understanding of life far beyond what I believe I would have ever been capable of without the good fortune to have chanced upon enlightened teaching, and only, unfortunately, the adumbration of which I am able to project.

I want to tell you then, how your post sounds to me:

People as you describe, those who have lost a sense of morality and are resentfully in denial about it, are indeed not idiots, but, without understanding their motivation, look to more morally conscious people for all the world like they indeed are idiots. It is what they look like on the surface and it is the name they are given reflexively. This autonomic assumption, in my opinion however, misleads people to assume it's their intellect that isn't functioning. The facts are, I believe, that they just use their intellect to rationalize with the result that the smartest among them are the best at fending off their actual condition.

This is why such people are not reachable by reason; they have usurped reason and use it to rationalize in their own defense.

Only the kind of insight you have can see deeper, to grasp the fact it's a moral issue, that what they are actually doing is defending against the realization of their own 'sinfulness'.

The wisdom I was exposed to told me this about that:

We were all exposed as children to worse than a concentration camp, via the process of verbal put-downs made to feel evil, a feeling the conscious mind can't endure as a child and survive so those feelings get suppressed or repressed in order to survive. That is the awareness we defend against, the feelings we must never tough again, that which is deeply hidden from consciousness behind bunker hardened doors. That is what we fear truth will reveal and the denial of which causes us to project our own sense of our worthlessness, our evil, on others.

The only cure or hope that we have that I can see is first to see the logical validity of this point of view, first, and then to root out those feelings by remembering and reliving them in a therapeutic setting. I was exposed to someone who claimed to be 99.999% sure he had rooted out the unconscious assumption we was the worst person in the world via that method and he was what, real?.

Anyway, wanted to share.

And to tell you we can't abandon those sinners because they are us, and the sins they feel guilty of and are in denial about were nothing but lies they were forced to buy into to survive.

God is as real as we who were created in His image reflect it. I know you see that in your children.
 
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FIVR

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I would say without a doubt. Nobody has any idea the true extent of Trump's willingness to bend or break the rules to preserve his power, or his true ability to influence on other people. Trump is already talking about creating "groups of street fighters" and "war rooms" to defend himself from his scandals and impending impeachment.


People should buckle up because this is going to be a long, bumpy ride that without a doubt will end in many American deaths and much unrest.
 
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Moonbeam

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Of course I do. But he was talking about hateful, delusional people, and just because he directed it towards people like me doesn't mean he's correct. It just shows his/her/its delusion and hate.
Facts are just facts. I have a pathetic brain, for example, that fails me regularly. I make mistakes, react illogically under stress, behave brutishly at times, am easily offended by things......... I could go on all day. Are these not just facts? Why would these facts upset me? Isn't it because I have some image of myself I would want to protect, some emotional need not to admit to defect dependent on the fact that I received training never to have defects? Wouldn't I have to have already been programmed never to admit to any shameful behavior out of the fear I am actually shameful. Why would I deny anything if I didn't already secretly feel it was true. Facts are just facts. It is our unconscious assumptions about them that color them with emotion? Surely you have met people who can be set off by the slightest thing. Some folk can become enraged if you just look at them. Can you see it's because they are imagining what it is you see when you look at them even casually and with disinterest?
 

Vic

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Of course I do. But he was talking about hateful, delusional people, and just because he directed it towards people like me doesn't mean he's correct. It just shows his/her/its delusion and hate.
I don't hate you. I just don't want to be like you. You only get one life, and it's hard enough. To spend it absorbed in anger and bitterness, fear and hatred, sounds to me like Hell. And worse still, a voluntary Hell. It's never too late to change your life for the better.
 
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AnonymouseUser

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I don't hate you. I just don't want to be like you. You only get one life, and it's hard enough. To spend it absorbed in anger and bitterness, fear and hatred, sounds to me like Hell. And worse still, a voluntary Hell. It's never too late to change your life for the better.

Again with the projection. Read your posts on this forum, and then read mine, and ask yourself who is filled with hate?
 

Vic

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Keep holding out hope :)
If the Democrats take the House next year, Trump will be impeached. Or he will resign to avoid impeachment. This isn't 'hated,' it's a prediction logically derived from observation. Even without Russia, his countless conflicts of interest alone are enough to warrant impeachment.
What I believe makes this scenario likely is that, unable to control the press as he had hoped, he won't be able to mask the consequences of his toxic ideology. And if the economy sputters - just once - he's toast.
And once again, this isn't 'hatred.' This isn't something that I want. What I want is for Trump to be a moral man of the People. But I can't see that happening. And now my greatest concern is what Trump will do when he gets desperate.
 

Bowfinger

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And once again, this isn't 'hatred.' This isn't something that I want. What I want is for Trump to be a moral man of the People. But I can't see that happening. And now my greatest concern is what Trump will do when he gets desperate.
This is something the Trump faithful just can't grasp. We aren't attacking Trump for who he is. We're attacking him for what he says and what he does, or tries to do. I'd praise Trump if he truly offered a plan to provide better health care for all Americans at a lower price. Instead, he offered a massive tax cut for the rich that increases costs and cuts coverage. I'd praise Trump is he truly drained the swamp in D.C. Instead, he filled it with toxic waste, an administration full of grifters and nutter ideologues. I'd praise Trump if he truly saved existing American jobs and returned jobs lost overseas. Instead, at least so far, all he's done is blow smoke and take credit for decisions made long before he took office.

The bottom line is Trump lies his ass off, but his followers refuse to recognize they've been had. They believe a myth, almost a religion, and they get angry when anyone tries to offer reality.
 
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