Have Democrats become delusional that Trump + Republican control of the government will soon depart?

[Moonbeam]

This article seems to think so:

http://www.salon.com/2017/05/27/wak...ve-no-democratic-majority-and-no-impeachment/

As I have suggested many times, here in this link, in my opinion, we see more indications that liberals have no real sense of what a winning strategy would look like. Democrats can't even agree among themselves as to what direction to go. It is political partisanship that is the American disease, a belief system wedded to the system as it exists. It is the system itself that needs to be brought down. The enemy is fear and fear itself and it is the fear the other will control the system that drives partisanship. We promote endless struggle to control the system or we destroy the system itself. Control always goes to wealth.

People can do nothing, democracy is dead, there is only this one message. Nobody changes direction untill they see the hopelessness of their aim. Dragons die when they are not fed.

 

[fskimospy]

The guy doesn't seem to have a strong understanding of what he's talking about, at least in an electoral sense. Only a fool would say there is only a 5% chance of democrats retaking the House considering that swings in special elections so far have been sufficient to deliver a Democratic majority if they were to happen generally.

Does that mean a democratic majority is likely? Who knows. A 5% chance though? Absurd. He's trying to talk as a voice of hard headed realism while ignoring evidence. He's doing exactly what he accuses others of.

 

[Commodus]

Counterbalance that with the National Review piece saying the Dems are likely to win in 2018, 2020 or both. You don't necessarily need a winning strategy if your opponent is so bad that just having a baseline level of competence makes you the superior choice. It's hilarious that the Republicans would actually deny health care to millions of their own constituents (among other spiteful efforts) and not expect some blowback, for example.

With that said: focus would be appreciated, and the Dems certainly shouldn't assume they'll win in the years ahead. Trump lasting past 2020 seems unlikely, but you shouldn't assume that he'll be forced out of office before then, either. The main consolation, so to speak, is that Trump really is that stupid. There's a possibility he'll do something so egregious than even a fundamentally corrupt Republican party can't ignore it. You just shouldn't assume it will happen.

 

[theeedude]

He is right about these special elections, Democrats should not get too excited about the ones in deep red districts, and also they are premature in expecting people to bail on GOP before GOP's policies have been passed and hit them where it hurts. But he is likely wrong about the probability of a wave election. I would draw parallels to 1929, year after Democrats were trounced, and were also in disarray. And then stock market crashed, and the conservative policies that brought about the boom and bust were tossed out and replaced with progressive politics for 40 years. We are now in the tail end of a stock market boom as well, and conservative economic policies are largely discredited and running out of steam. No one knows when sh!t will hit the fan, but before 2018 or 2020 are highly likely given where we are in the business cycle.
Also, parties are supposed to be in disarray when they are in minority and are not responsible for governing. While parties are in power, they need to paper over differences and maintain orthodoxy in order to govern effectively. But when they are out of power, there should be some chaos and a free for all. That's how internal conflicts get sorted out, new ideas float to the top, and new leaders emerge.

 

[JSt0rm]

country is full of idiots riding the prosperity wave of ww2 still. We will be back to being a nobody on the world stage in 300 years.

 

[ivwshane]

The issue isn't whether or not the dems will win the house, the issue is whether or not dems will win enough seats at the local level to influence redistricting (and hopefully if they do they will implement some bi partisan system to determine the new layouts).

The biggest issue the dems face right now is not having viable candidates ready in any district. Running folk singers with no government experience isn't going to cut it.

 

[Moonbeam]

The issue isn't whether or not the dems will win the house, the issue is whether or not dems will win enough seats at the local level to influence redistricting (and hopefully if they do they will implement some bi partisan system to determine the new layouts).

The biggest issue the dems face right now is not having viable candidates ready in any district. Running folk singers with no government experience isn't going to cut it.

I agree. But a party of nobodies like the Tea Party who knew nothing about governing did quite well with the message they would burn the system down. I see no reason why a new Democratic party of inexperienced people with the message they will burn money out of the system wouldn't have a similar chance. Democrats need a revolutionary message, one symbolized by a flaming sword. You rational types are useless in a rigged system.

 

[Moonbeam]

The guy doesn't seem to have a strong understanding of what he's talking about, at least in an electoral sense. Only a fool would say there is only a 5% chance of democrats retaking the House considering that swings in special elections so far have been sufficient to deliver a Democratic majority if they were to happen generally.

Does that mean a democratic majority is likely? Who knows. A 5% chance though? Absurd. He's trying to talk as a voice of hard headed realism while ignoring evidence. He's doing exactly what he accuses others of.

I don't hear hard headed realism, I hear a plea for change unless you want to call not the same old same old hard headed realism. That would make sense, I think.

 

[edcoolio]

country is full of idiots riding the prosperity wave of ww2 still. We will be back to being a nobody on the world stage in 300 years.

Thanks to your blanket statement, we now know that the "country is full of idiots" due to being only 3/4 of a century removed from WW2.

Thanks Nostradamus.

 

[Moonbeam]

Thanks to your blanket statement, we now know that the "country is full of idiots" due to being only 3/4 of a century removed from WW2.

Thanks Nostradamus.

Idiots is the liberal brain defect fall back position. It may be true but is neither illuminates or solves anything. Underlying conservative stupidity is a motivation to be that way and understanding that is essential to finding any cure for it that may exist. It is an enormous challenge to figure out how to get people to see what they are in denial about. This is true across a huge spectrum of human behaviors.

 

[fskimospy]

I don't hear hard headed realism, I hear a plea for change unless you want to call not the same old same old hard headed realism. That would make sense, I think.

Well he seems to be saying that the Democratic Party is somehow doomed otherwise which I find silly. It's not backed up by the data either.

 

[Grooveriding]

Thanks to your blanket statement, we now know that the "country is full of idiots" due to being only 3/4 of a century removed from WW2.

Thanks Nostradamus.

He may have said it with hyperbole, but we're seeing much of history repeat its self. It's naive to believe US dominance is perpetual. Rome fell, the UK fell and so will the US one day. Not to say the country will disappear, it's dominance on the world stage will one day shift to another nation though. The two most likely are Russia or China. Russia is currently running a wildly successful destabilization campaign against the US to hasten some sort of self-destruction.

What we are seeing today with Trump certainly has portents of that. When a significant minority of a nation's population is all in on unsustainable ideologies that are not grounded in facts, there is no reasonable way you can expect a positive outcome. It also signifies a degeneration of the quality of thought among a large number of the population. Again, does not speak well for the future of any nation when many citizens have chosen to go all-in on crazy.

 

[theeedude]

Russia is self destructing faster than the US, although the US is working hard to catch up.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Moonbeam commenting on the delusions of others, how droll. Good thing his posts comes
with a disclaimer.

 

[Roflmouth]

Counterbalance that with the National Review piece saying the Dems are likely to win in 2018, 2020 or both. You don't necessarily need a winning strategy if your opponent is so bad that just having a baseline level of competence makes you the superior choice.

True, considering Obama was so bad he reduced the DNC to its weakest power position in eighty years.

It's hilarious that the Republicans would actually deny health care to millions of their own constituents (among other spiteful efforts) and not expect some blowback, for example.

Possbily true, considering what happened to the DNC in 2010 when they *actually* took millions of people's healthcare away from them. Thanks for the admission

 

[ivwshane]

True, considering Obama was so bad he reduced the DNC to its weakest power position in eighty years.



Possbily true, considering what happened to the DNC in 2010 when they *actually* took millions of people's healthcare away from them. Thanks for the admission

A+ for stupidity!!

 

[Commodus]

True, considering Obama was so bad he reduced the DNC to its weakest power position in eighty years.

Possbily true, considering what happened to the DNC in 2010 when they *actually* took millions of people's healthcare away from them. Thanks for the admission

Living in an alternative reality, I see.

The DNC may have put way too much faith in Clinton, but how is Obama responsible for its state besides endorsing the candidate that won the primary? As an actual President, he was clearly better than Bush Jr. or Trump.

And if the Democrats took health care from millions of people, then why does the CBO estimate show the AHCA taking away health care from 23 million people? Either you're wrong and the ACA did expand access to health care, or the AHCA is so terrible that it makes the ACA cuts (show evidence, please) seem kind by comparison.

 

[JSt0rm]

Thanks to your blanket statement, we now know that the "country is full of idiots" due to being only 3/4 of a century removed from WW2.

Thanks Nostradamus.

I didn't say it was due to being only 3/4 a century removed from ww2. We were dumb before ww2. We have always been a country of mostly backwoods religious fools.

 

[theeedude]

I think Democrats should not be in too much hurry. They need to wait until Republicans (and technological progress) inflict some painful lessons on their misguided working class supporters. The goal should be getting the country back to New Deal for a generation or more, not tactical short term victories which last for one or two election cycles.

 

[disappoint]

So the pendulum will swing wider and wider as the 2 sides display their idiotic hatred for each other more and more until one of them snaps out of it.

 

[Moonbeam]

I think Democrats should not be in too much hurry. They need to wait until Republicans (and technological progress) inflict some painful lessons on their misguided working class supporters. The goal should be getting the country back to New Deal for a generation or more, not tactical short term victories which last for one or two election cycles.

The notion that you are going to get any moral person to support the idea they should facilitate national disaster of depression proportions to get back in power looks to me to be just the opposite side of the coin we are up against and isn't going to succeed. That says 'my team at any price', that you are driven by the same self hate as the opposition, the same hideous need for that ego win.

 

[Moonbeam]

Moonbeam commenting on the delusions of others, how droll. Good thing his posts comes
with a disclaimer.

Would that be droll as in making claims of delusions you neither define or challenge? What sacred cow of yours did I step on to prompt a comment that had within it nothing but a put down? I may be delusional about many things. Tell me then is it delusional to believe that when one makes that claim of others one usually has something in mind he or she can identify and argue against?

Just something for you to think about. I don't need your answers. When I open my front door sometimes a fly comes in that will be taken care of in due time when I vacuum the base of my windows.

 

[theeedude]

The notion that you are going to get any moral person to support the idea they should facilitate national disaster of depression proportions to get back in power looks to me to be just the opposite side of the coin we are up against and isn't going to succeed. That says 'my team at any price', that you are driven by the same self hate as the opposition, the same hideous need for that ego win.

They shouldn't facilitate it, they don't have the political power to anyways. But they should also not shield the people from the consequences of their own votes or non-votes either. People learn by making mistakes and experiencing the consequences on their own skin. If you are poor, the consequence of voting for Republicans or staying home, is you losing your health insurance and other benefits so that the rich get tax cuts.

 

[Vic]

Thanks to your blanket statement, we now know that the "country is full of idiots" due to being only 3/4 of a century removed from WW2.

Thanks Nostradamus.

The country is NOT full of idiots. What the country is full of, however, are immoral people who have lost all sense of right and wrong, truth or lies, because they have come to believe that they are immune to their own consequences. Deep down, though, they know this is a delusion, so they are tormented by fear, and hateful of anything that might stir their conscience.

 

[AnonymouseUser]

What the country is full of, however, are immoral people who have lost all sense of right and wrong, truth or lies, because they have come to believe that they are immune to their own consequences. Deep down, though, they know this is a delusion, so they are tormented by fear, and hateful of anything that might stir their conscience.

This is progressives/liberals in a nutshell.