Have a sick kid that needs basic Meds, NNAAA just pray that will work!!!

[Vette73]

Police: Girl Dies After Parents Pray for Healing Instead of Seeking Medical Help


WTF. She had diabetes that was very treatable with insulin. Yet they just pray in hopes it will go away. :roll:

If not for a relative calling police they might have not even found the body it seems.

If you want to pray, than fine. Do it after you get medical attention first.

 

[Ryan]

Why make them get medical attention? This is what is unique about the American experience: we allow you a fuck your own life up, and believe what the fuck you want, no matter how ludicrous. :roll:

 

[skace]

I guess this one won't be on one of those miracle shows huh?

 

[Colt45]

Originally posted by: Ryan
Why make them get medical attention? This is what is unique about the American experience: we allow you a fuck your own life up, and believe what the fuck you want, no matter how ludicrous.

Your own life, sure. this is a child though.

 

[Inspector Jihad]

Originally posted by: Ryan
Why make them get medical attention? This is what is unique about the American experience: we allow you a fuck your own life up, and believe what the fuck you want, no matter how ludicrous.

its child abuse...

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Colt45

Originally posted by: Ryan
Why make them get medical attention? This is what is unique about the American experience: we allow you a fuck your own life up, and believe what the fuck you want, no matter how ludicrous.

Your own life, sure. this is a child though.

I don't dispute that - I personally believe modern medical treatment should be afforded for all children for that very reason (duh - you're neglecting your child as the Inspector kindly pointed out), but it's obvious that some kind of disparity exists. We allow Jehovah's Witnesses to refuse many modern treatments for religious reasons, and there have been similar instances of children dying.

The police obviously think the parents are still fit for raising children, even after then killed one: "They are still in the home," he said. "There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see." :roll:

 

[Bateluer]

The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said

I think this may be enough reason to remove the other children and get the parents professional help.

 

[moshquerade]

i don't buy any justifications for this. they let their daughter suffer and die when she could be very alive right now.

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: Ryan

Originally posted by: Colt45

Originally posted by: Ryan
Why make them get medical attention? This is what is unique about the American experience: we allow you a fuck your own life up, and believe what the fuck you want, no matter how ludicrous.

Your own life, sure. this is a child though.

I don't dispute that - I personally believe modern medical treatment should be afforded for all children for that very reason (duh - you're neglecting your child as the Inspector kindly pointed out), but it's obvious that some kind of disparity exists. We allow Jehovah's Witnesses to refuse many modern treatments for religious reasons, and there have been similar instances of children dying.

The police obviously think the parents are still fit for raising children: "They are still in the home," he said. "There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see."

And the courts agree with doctors in those cases and will grant court orders allowing the doctors to help children.

"In cases of life-threatening illness or injuries, judges often issued emergency court orders, allowing doctors to override patient objections and transfuse if necessary."
and
"Patients? rights allow adult Witnesses to refuse potentially life-saving transfusions. However, legally doctors have the right to administer blood to minor children."


There is a difference between a child and a full grown adult that wants to kill themseleves. And even then if the adult can be shown to not be in full control of their person a court can also allow doctors to help them as well.

 

[ScottyB]

This is murder, plain and simple. If people want to forgo medical treatment because of their idiotic belief in a fairytale, let them. But when children are involved, the government needs to step in and stop pussing out to the religious morons in this country. Freedom of Religion means freedom from a set governmental religion, not complete disregard of standard decency, law, and logic in the name of religious freedom. It isn't the time of witches, demons, and mass murder in the name of a god anymore; we need to distinguish between logic and idiocy at some point.

 

[rasczak]

^ Well said.

Quoted from the article:
"The girl has three siblings, ranging in age from 13 to 16, the police chief said.

"They are still in the home," he said. "There is no reason to remove them. There is no abuse or signs of abuse that we can see.""

This statement here bothers me even more. :|

 

[DnetMHZ]

Dear lord, I pray that you will grant me 5 minutes alone with these 2 oh so loyal subjects as I think I can offer them some much needed "guidance" and can put them on a path to bring them much closer to you
Lord, I also pray for your blessing on this Louisville Slugger, broken whiskey bottle and rusty butter knife so that they may be used to bring your disciples home!

your friend,
DnetMHZ

 

[Toasthead]

how is this anything other than murder? They deliberately and willfully put their child in a situation which led to her death.

 

[Mr Pickles]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
This is murder, plain and simple. If people want to forgo medical treatment because of their idiotic belief in a fairytale, let them. But when children are involved, the government needs to step in and stop pussing out to the religious morons in this country. Freedom of Religion means freedom from a set governmental religion, not complete disregard of standard decency, law, and logic in the name of religious freedom. It isn't the time of witches, demons, and mass murder in the name of a god anymore; we need to distinguish between logic and idiocy at some point.

The Baker Act helps with this but unfortunately not enough. I've spent most of my years hang around downtown Clearwater where almost the entire downtown area is owned by Scientologists. I knew a paramedic that hated working that district simply because he didn't want to get called out to a car accident where he would show up and not be able to help a child because the parents would not allow.

To not embrace modern medical treatment is insanity and should be treated as such.

 

[clamum]

Those parents sound like they're fucking nuts.

 

[Wheezer]

You gotta ask yourself why this is allowed to continue. It has been happening here ever since this country was founded.

The problem is that any government action regarding this issue is infringing on the freedom of religion, one of the founding principles of this country. Who is uncle Sam to tell a parent or a child that they will not heal because there is no God?

People have a right to their belief no matter how fvcked up it is.

If they beleive in divine intervention then so be it....and I'll tell ya, as an example I have NEVER seen an Amish person in any hospital ever, so when they are ill like this what do you think they do?

If one of theirs goes into a diabetic coma do you think they load them up in a cart and trot into the city for medical attention or call for a squad?...doubt it.

It is an unfortunate thing, but like it or not the government is not always the answer to the problem, sometime you just gotta let people do what they are gonna do....it's all part of natural selection.


....and let me add, how do any of us know for sure that isn't some kind of divine intervention?....how may deathly ill people have you heard about that were on the brink of death and then suddenly made a full recovery without any scientific explanation what so ever?

I am not saying there is someone in the sky performing miracles, just playing devils advocate......

 

[Aharami]

i wonder if this made the parents believe in their god a little bit less

blind faith FTL

edit: after reading this, above seems unlikely

The girl's parents, Dale and Leilani Neumann, attributed the death to "apparently they didn't have enough faith," the police chief said.

They believed the key to healing "was it was better to keep praying. Call more people to help pray," he said.

The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said.

 

[Wheezer]

Originally posted by: Aharami
i wonder if this made the parents believe in their god a little bit less

blind faith FTL

no, they just caulk it up to "gods will"

 

[Demon-Xanth]

Reminds me of the joke where god sent two boats and a helicopter...

The tools to fix the problem were available, they just ignored it.

 

[waffleironhead]

What I cant get my head around is that if they believe in god then why the fuck do they not bevieve that god made the medicine exist and wants them to take it?

 

[manowar821]

Did the child have a choice in this?

 

[The Sauce]

Originally posted by: Bateluer

The mother believes the girl could still be resurrected, the police chief said

I think this may be enough reason to remove the other children and get the parents professional help.

Yes, this is always the case. You would expect that they might be remoreseful but in these situations they never are. Religious people usually won't do things this ridiculous unless their belief system also will cover them for the worst case scenario. Belief in resurrection fits the bill.

 

[MrChad]

Originally posted by: ScottyB
This is murder, plain and simple. If people want to forgo medical treatment because of their idiotic belief in a fairytale, let them. But when children are involved, the government needs to step in and stop pussing out to the religious morons in this country. Freedom of Religion means freedom from a set governmental religion, not complete disregard of standard decency, law, and logic in the name of religious freedom. It isn't the time of witches, demons, and mass murder in the name of a god anymore; we need to distinguish between logic and idiocy at some point.

It's a slippery slope to force parents to provide certain medical treatments to their children. Taking religion out of the equation, what if a parent allows some medical treatments but refuses others that may allow his/her child to live but at some cost of quality of life? Do we really want the government determining when medical treatment is necessary or even required, a la Terri Schiavo?

 

[Vette73]

Originally posted by: MrChad

Originally posted by: ScottyB
This is murder, plain and simple. If people want to forgo medical treatment because of their idiotic belief in a fairytale, let them. But when children are involved, the government needs to step in and stop pussing out to the religious morons in this country. Freedom of Religion means freedom from a set governmental religion, not complete disregard of standard decency, law, and logic in the name of religious freedom. It isn't the time of witches, demons, and mass murder in the name of a god anymore; we need to distinguish between logic and idiocy at some point.

It's a slippery slope to force parents to provide certain medical treatments to their children. Taking religion out of the equation, what if a parent allows some medical treatments but refuses others that may allow his/her child to live but at some cost of quality of life? Do we really want the government determining when medical treatment is necessary or even required, a la Terri Schiavo?

Theres a difference between get a insulin shot and live and well there is a 10% chance doing this will help but is still being tested.

There is nothing new about diabetes, let alone how to treat it. This is not some rare cancer or something no one but 10 doctors in the world knows about. It diabetes!!! She should still be alive and living a pretty normal life.

 

[child of wonder]

I don't get it. I'm sure many people who are outraged by these parents allowing their child to die would consider themselves Christians.

So didn't Jesus himself say "ask and you shall receive?"