Have a question about the 4790k?

[toyota]

I'll have to dig up a chart from Anandtech that shows potential impacts of different speeds of RAM. The chart also shows a benefit to buying low latency memory as well as faster speed, such that, for instance, CAS 8 1866 could be equal or faster than CAS 10 2133, at least something along those lines.

EDIT:

Here it is:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/7364/memory-scaling-on-haswell/3

here is one too. its clear the faster memory helps in some games if not gpu limited. for those running high refresh monitors and multiple gpus, the higher speed memory would help quite a bit in some games.

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/haswell-ddr3_7.html#sect0

personally I felt the memory I bought was a good compromise as its the fastest speed that does not require going over 1.5 volts.

 

[frozentundra123456]

After reading this I don't see doing much OCing since the cpu is already at 4.0. The ssd I think is a no brainer.

What ram would you recommend with that MB?

Actually I think 4 core turbo is 4.2, so yea, overclocking is hardly worth it unless you want to just for the heck of it. Realistically, about 10% more is all you will get.

 

[Ketchup]

If I didn't run VMs, 8 GB would be plenty of RAM. RAM speed on an Intel system should no noticeable difference, unless you want better benchmark numbers.

 

[phreakwarz]

First of I want to say you guys rock! Most helpful folks I have seen in some time.

In all honestly you have made some very valid points as for the hardware. I'm really interested in a ssd now and its been pointed out a few times. I'm not wild about water cooling and not because of the great benefits it offers, but due to past issues I have had. I originally had my 975 under water and it worked well, untill it started to leak . Luck me it was under warranty and got a RMA. Then that one, the pump slowed down and my 975 started to overheat. It was out of warranty. As a retired engineer by trade, I don't like lots of moving parts.

As far as memory gos, I suspect this is why I'm so determined to get a good MB. My ASUS sabertooth MB has the one click OC feature. It took my 975 from 3.33 to where it is now 4.3 and the ram from 9-9-9-24 to 6-6-6-12. From my understanding the x58 system utilizes fast timming over MHz speed. I have 9GB and have never used more than 5gb of it, so 8 GB I would think should be ok for now. My 975 has never ran slower than the stock speed, and did manage to get her to 4.8 but she ran WAY to hot.

I honestly have thought about dropping to a I5 4690k, to get that ssd. But hate to give up performance of the 4790K. The way I see this is a ssd going to make up for the loss of the 4790k. Also if I go with the 4690k, and OC it to 4.0-4.4 the same as I would get with the 4790k stock clocks plus HT, do I still need that high dollar water cooler for the 4790k.

Sorry to try and explain all this stuff.

 

[toyota]

If I didn't run VMs, 8 GB would be plenty of RAM. RAM speed on an Intel system should no noticeable difference, unless you want better benchmark numbers.

I just showed you it can help in some cases and gave an example of where it could help even more. and I also said how having more than 8 GB can help. of course you think having more than 4 cores is a waste too regardless of what anyone says.

 

[Ketchup]

Don't be sorry phreakwarz, it is helpful to us to know what you are thinking with the upgrade.

You might just want to grab the SSD now, and after running it for a while, get a feel for what other upgrades you want/need.

Also, can you give us an idea of what is driving you to a new CPU? Depending on what kind of performance you need, a new CPU may not be the answer.

 

[hunkeelin]

err. i'm pretty sure i7 975 can handle ur gtx 970 no problem. THere's no reason to upgrade....

 

[toyota]

First of I want to say you guys rock! Most helpful folks I have seen in some time.

In all honestly you have made some very valid points as for the hardware. I'm really interested in a ssd now and its been pointed out a few times. I'm not wild about water cooling and not because of the great benefits it offers, but due to past issues I have had. I originally had my 975 under water and it worked well, untill it started to leak . Luck me it was under warranty and got a RMA. Then that one, the pump slowed down and my 975 started to overheat. It was out of warranty. As a retired engineer by trade, I don't like lots of moving parts.

As far as memory gos, I suspect this is why I'm so determined to get a good MB. My ASUS sabertooth MB has the one click OC feature. It took my 975 from 3.33 to where it is now 4.3 and the ram from 9-9-9-24 to 6-6-6-12. From my understanding the x58 system utilizes fast timming over MHz speed. I have 9GB and have never used more than 5gb of it, so 8 GB I would think should be ok for now. My 975 has never ran slower than the stock speed, and did manage to get her to 4.8 but she ran WAY to hot.

I honestly have thought about dropping to a I5 4690k, to get that ssd. But hate to give up performance of the 4790K. The way I see this is a ssd going to make up for the loss of the 4790k. Also if I go with the 4690k, and OC it to 4.0-4.4 the same as I would get with the 4790k stock clocks plus HT, do I still need that high dollar water cooler for the 4790k.



Sorry to try and explain all this stuff.

an SSD will make zero FPS difference in games so no it does not make up the difference between 4790k and 4690k. when you are dropping below 60 fps because of the cpu in Crysis 3 then an SSD will not matter. you seem to keep cpus a long time so to me it would be foolish to only go 4 cores at this point going forward for a gaming pc where you plan to use high end video card.

with Skylake only 6 months or so away, I would just oc the cpu that you have now and then upgrade to a Skylake i7.

 

[phreakwarz]

As far as my 975 gos, its a 2 scenario objective. First my wife wants a better pc (currently c2duo 2.4). But she plays very low end games and now wants to follow me in some game testing. Plus my 975 believe it or not is not what it used to be. Since I got my 970 OCed, my 975 went from 60-70 percent usage to 90-95 percent usage then comes stutter. My understanding this could be a bottleneck. I run a 3.0 gpu on a 2.0 MB, and its just getting old. Last time I talked about a cpu upgrade, I was told to upgrade my gpu first. I did and it seems my cpu is now falling behind. Like I said I test games, have been for years now. One of the things I have to do is check performance. I'm getting 35 FPS while others are getting 50 to 70 FPS. The only difference is some have newer ( I5 4790k/4790k cpus, ram and MB). Lets take BF4, I ran fraps as a few told me to. Ran at ultra first, with 149, then med with 127.

So in all honestly I have 2 birds to shoot down. I can shoot both birds with 2 bullets (build to new PCs) or I can shoot both with 1 bullet ( build one new and pass the other down ).

So it all comes down to one thing really, and that is I want to make sure I get complete compatibility and as much performance as I can get today.

 

[toyota]

As far as my 975 gos, its a 2 scenario objective. First my wife wants a better pc (currently c2duo 2.4). But she plays very low end games and now wants to follow me in some game testing. Plus my 975 believe it or not is not what it used to be. Since I got my 970 OCed, my 975 went from 60-70 percent usage to 90-95 percent usage then comes stutter. My understanding this could be a bottleneck. I run a 3.0 gpu on a 2.0 MB, and its just getting old. Last time I talked about a cpu upgrade, I was told to upgrade my gpu first. I did and it seems my cpu is now falling behind. Like I said I test games, have been for years now. One of the things I have to do is check performance. I'm getting 35 FPS while others are getting 50 to 70 FPS. The only difference is some have newer ( I5 4790k/4790k cpus, ram and MB). Lets take BF4, I ran fraps as a few told me to. Ran at ultra first, with 149, then med with 127.

So in all honestly I have 2 birds to shoot down. I can shoot both birds with 2 bullets (build to new PCs) or I can shoot both with 1 bullet ( build one new and pass the other down ).

So it all comes down to one thing really, and that is I want to make sure I get complete compatibility and as much performance as I can get today.

yes your cpu could be a bottleneck for sure but not because all 8 threads are being taxed. if you are seeing 90-95% usage on an i7 then there is something else running or you have some issues with your system. and also in no way shape or form are you only getting 35 fps in the same scene and same settings that others get 50-70 fps with a 970 unless again your pc has some other issues.

 

[Ketchup]

OK, good phreakwarz, let's look at BF4:

I see a pretty decent jump going from a 930 to a 4770, which should be fairly close to the jump you are looking at.

 

[phreakwarz]

Thanks ketchup79. That's how I found this great place. The bench area on the front page of this site has cpu benches. After looking at the one for my 975 and a 4790k and even a I5 4690k, my 975 is pretty slow. I'm not saying its a bad cpu, I'm saying its days are are going fast. I understand that benches are and can be different depending on hardware.

I have came up with a build and will post it tomorrow after I finish doing the QVL. The wife told me to get what I can this month (most expensive stuff ) then next month add some other hardware. Maybe then some of you fine folks can help sort it out. Again thanks for your support.

 

[phreakwarz]

After some thinking and some OVL on ram and such, I found 2 MB I like. If I catch the sales I'm looking at, I should still be able to grab a ssd. Both have verified Gskill and corsair ram.

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