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Have a Miscarriage ...Go to JAIL

Aimster

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When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance, it shall be the woman's responsibility to report the death to the law-enforcement agency in the jurisdiction of which the delivery occurs within 12 hours after the delivery. A violation of this section shall be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.

The Bill: The Most Odious Infringement on the Privacy of Virginia women...ever
Delegate Cosgrove?s bill is an outrageous attack on the privacy of Virginia women. Consider this - there is no law mandating that a woman must report a pregnancy to the Commonwealth, or even seek medical treatment for one. But this bill proposes that a woman report a LOSS of a pregnancy to the Commonwealth, whatever the gestational age of the embryo/fetus.

Furthermore, this bill means that a woman who experiences a spontaneous loss of pregnancy will have her privacy violated significantly more than if she had chosen an abortion. Though Virginia requires that induced terminations of pregnancy be reported, those reporting forms require only a ?patient number? and information on the procedure. The ?report of fetal death? asks for the woman?s full name, her history of prenatal care, her marital status, her education history, her previous deliveries (if any), and a number of other very intrusive data items.

If the miscarriage occurred under a physician?s care, all of this information would be provided by the physician out of the patient?s medical records. Physicians and/or funeral directors are given 24 hours to file this report. Delegate Cosgrove?s bill gives women who experience miscarriage without a doctor only 12 hours to report, adding insult to injury.

 
Originally posted by: Aimster
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When a fetal death occurs without medical attendance, it shall be the woman's responsibility to report the death to the law-enforcement agency in the jurisdiction of which the delivery occurs within 12 hours after the delivery. A violation of this section shall be punishable as a Class 1 misdemeanor.

The Bill: The Most Odious Infringement on the Privacy of Virginia women...ever
Delegate Cosgrove?s bill is an outrageous attack on the privacy of Virginia women. Consider this - there is no law mandating that a woman must report a pregnancy to the Commonwealth, or even seek medical treatment for one. But this bill proposes that a woman report a LOSS of a pregnancy to the Commonwealth, whatever the gestational age of the embryo/fetus.

Furthermore, this bill means that a woman who experiences a spontaneous loss of pregnancy will have her privacy violated significantly more than if she had chosen an abortion. Though Virginia requires that induced terminations of pregnancy be reported, those reporting forms require only a ?patient number? and information on the procedure. The ?report of fetal death? asks for the woman?s full name, her history of prenatal care, her marital status, her education history, her previous deliveries (if any), and a number of other very intrusive data items.

If the miscarriage occurred under a physician?s care, all of this information would be provided by the physician out of the patient?s medical records. Physicians and/or funeral directors are given 24 hours to file this report. Delegate Cosgrove?s bill gives women who experience miscarriage without a doctor only 12 hours to report, adding insult to injury.

They've already stripped same-sex couples of their federal constitutional due process rights (i.e., the right to enter into =private= legal contacts or arrangements with each other, without undue interference from the government) in that state. Who knows how far the legislature will go.

 
hhhmmmm...I'm not so sure this is bad due to the number of women who have or are suspected of simply leaving the babies to die and claiming they were stillborn even though they can drop them off at many places without penalty. The law probably had good intentions but was not well thought out. Backlash will change it.
 
Originally posted by: BannedTroll
hhhmmmm...I'm not so sure this is bad due to the number of women who have or are suspected of simply leaving the babies to die and claiming they were stillborn even though they can drop them off at many places without penalty. The law probably had good intentions but was not well thought out. Backlash will change it.

Do you even know what a miscarriage is?
 
http://democracyforvirginia.ty...1/eternal_vigilan.html

I am Delegate Cosgrove and I wish to respond to your website and the allegations that have been made by those who have emailed and called my office. The intent of House Bill 1677 is to require the notification of authorities of a delivery of a baby that is dead and the mother has not been attended by a medical professional. This bill was requested by the Chesapeake Police Department in its legislative package due to instances of full term babies who were abandoned shortly after birth. These poor children died horrible deaths. If a coroner could not determine if the child was born alive, the person responsible for abandoning the child could only be charged with is the improper disposal of a human body.

The requirement for the twelve hour notification timeframe comes from the method that a coroner would use to determine if the child had been born alive or dead. After twelve hours, it becomes next to impossible to determine if the child was alive due to decomposition gasses that build up in the body.

My bill in no way intends that a woman who suffers a miscarriage should be charged for not notifying authorities. The bill in no way mentions miscarriages, only deliveries. However, after discussing the bill again with our legislative services lawyers, I have decided to include language that will define the bill to apply only to those babies that are claimed to have been stillborn and that are abandoned as stated above.

I would never inflict the type of emotional torture on a woman who has suffered such a traumatic event as a miscarriage by making her notify authorities of her loss. I would also never impose criminal sanctions on a woman who has gone through this loss. And I am confident that the General Assembly of Virginia would also not pass such a terrible imposition on a woman. My mother experienced several miscarriages and I have other friends who have been devastated by losing their children through miscarriages.

On a final note, your website advocates the use of emailing comments to my office. As for the emails that I have received, I have answered a few and will forward a similar explanation to those who sent them. I always seek to receive emails that express a point of view either in support or in opposition to an issue. The majority of emails I have received from this site, however, have been extremely abusive, condescending, and mean-spirited. That is never the way to communicate with another person and I hope that civil discourse would be your desire as well.

I hope that you will post this explanation on your website and understand the original intent of this bill. If you feel the need to discuss this matter more fully, please do not hesitate to call. Thank you for your time and consideration of this matter.

Sincerely,

John A. Cosgrove

Aimster, you do understand this is a proposal at this point, not a law, so no one is going to jail, no need for your sad face :-( yet.
 
Originally posted by: dgevert
Originally posted by: BannedTroll
hhhmmmm...I'm not so sure this is bad due to the number of women who have or are suspected of simply leaving the babies to die and claiming they were stillborn even though they can drop them off at many places without penalty. The law probably had good intentions but was not well thought out. Backlash will change it.

Do you even know what a miscarriage is?

Look up^

"I am Delegate Cosgrove and I wish to respond to your website and the allegations that have been made by those who have emailed and called my office. The intent of House Bill 1677 is to require the notification of authorities of a delivery of a baby that is dead and the mother has not been attended by a medical professional. This bill was requested by the Chesapeake Police Department in its legislative package due to instances of full term babies who were abandoned shortly after birth. These poor children died horrible deaths. If a coroner could not determine if the child was born alive, the person responsible for abandoning the child could only be charged with is the improper disposal of a human body."



and yes I know what one is. That is why I can figure out that it is not the likely intent of the law.
 
pretty f*cked up, the next bill will be"you need to inform the athuorities next time you want to have sex, just incase you get pregnant", aghh but thats the price of freedom!
 
They can make it illegal to not notify all they want, but unless they catch the mother the law will be pretty much a dead letter. And even if they do catch the mother, she won't be going to prison for a misdemeanor unless she has a record. And the bottom line is that such small sanctions won't achieve the intended result, i.e. to stop the practice of delivering babies and leaving them to die. This looks like a "Gee, can't we do something" bll. So, this bill is a complete waste of time.

-Robert
 
Actually the letter posted above is fairly reasonable - if a law is eventually passed, and includes some sort of language that this only applies to full-term or near-full-term still births, then it's still questionnable (it kind of presumes guilt, I think) but may have its heart in the right place at least.
 
Originally posted by: BannedTroll
Originally posted by: dgevert
Originally posted by: BannedTroll
hhhmmmm...I'm not so sure this is bad due to the number of women who have or are suspected of simply leaving the babies to die and claiming they were stillborn even though they can drop them off at many places without penalty. The law probably had good intentions but was not well thought out. Backlash will change it.

Do you even know what a miscarriage is?

Look up^

"I am Delegate Cosgrove and I wish to respond to your website and the allegations that have been made by those who have emailed and called my office. The intent of House Bill 1677 is to require the notification of authorities of a delivery of a baby that is dead and the mother has not been attended by a medical professional. This bill was requested by the Chesapeake Police Department in its legislative package due to instances of full term babies who were abandoned shortly after birth. These poor children died horrible deaths. If a coroner could not determine if the child was born alive, the person responsible for abandoning the child could only be charged with is the improper disposal of a human body."



and yes I know what one is. That is why I can figure out that it is not the likely intent of the law.

Doesn't sound so unreasonable to me. I can think of worse laws.
 
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