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hate crime legislation: california sb1234

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udonoogen

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i never like to say things are outrightly stupid, but i mean it when i say that i think the concept of a hate crime is stupid. has anyone ever seen that south park episode where cartman gets thrown in juvenile hall because he threw a rock at the black kid token? its a parody but this is what our state is coming to. these lawmakers think they are protecting others by creating hate crime legislation but what they're really doing is taking away free speech and causing greater divisiveness between groups of people.

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I agree that hate crime laws are pretty foolish and quite dangerous. It is akin to the "thought police". It makes no sense to me that if a person decides to kill someone in cold blood, that his reasoning could make it a worse crime. If someone killed a black, Jewish, lesbian woman, could you be charged with several hate crimes? I guess killing someone who looks and thinks like you isn't nearly as bad a crime.
 
Another attempt by the bureaucrats to legislate away racism. What a load of garbage. A crime is a crime, regardless of the motive or the race of the people involved.
 
Originally posted by: HelloDeli
You dont charge people based on a motive, you charge based on intent.
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how bout you actually charge people base on the action committed??? ???
 
Hate crimes are politcal grandstanding and oportunist justice. To kill someone, anyone, I assume you have to hate them. We already have a law for this. First degree murder.
 
Originally posted by: csf
Originally posted by: HelloDeli
You dont charge people based on a motive, you charge based on intent.
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how bout you actually charge people base on the action committed??? ???
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I agree witth your sentiment but it's not this simple. If it's based purely on the action commmited then an accidental killing would weight as heavily as pre-meditated murder (one of many instances where the simple action in and of itself is not the only way to try a crime).
 
Originally posted by: udonoogen
These lawmakers think they are protecting others by creating hate crime legislation but what they're really doing is taking away free speech and causing greater divisiveness between groups of people.
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Awwwwww, don't like the new NWO (Neocon World Order) , why not???
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: udonoogen
These lawmakers think they are protecting others by creating hate crime legislation but what they're really doing is taking away free speech and causing greater divisiveness between groups of people.
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Awwwwww, don't like the new NWO (Neocon World Order) , why not???
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nwo is equaly pushed by the libbies
 
I thought the thought police was God, and of course Santa at Christmas time. Oh he knows if you've been bad or good so be good for heaven's sake......
 
Originally posted by: csf
Originally posted by: HelloDeli
You dont charge people based on a motive, you charge based on intent.
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how bout you actually charge people base on the action committed??? ???
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It's not that simple, though. If you run over someone, killing them, should you receive the same punishment whether it was a complete accident, whether you decided to do it on the spot, or whether you had the entire ordeal planned out for 6 moths, with maps, charts, diaries, etc? Intent has to play somewhat of a role in justice.

That said, I also believe that "hate crime" laws are silly. No one's life is somehow 'worth' more based upon their racial or ethnic background, sexual preference, gender, etc.
 
Gunslinger, planning would be action. 🙂

I've got to agree with LordMagnusKain here. :thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: udonoogen
These lawmakers think they are protecting others by creating hate crime legislation but what they're really doing is taking away free speech and causing greater divisiveness between groups of people.
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Awwwwww, don't like the new NWO (Neocon World Order) , why not???
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if im not mistaken, the bill was introduced by a democratic lesbian state senator from los angeles. you can't get anymore liberal than that.
 
While I think that is a relevant question, I think a genuine concern is that innocuous speech that isnt a crime yet will receive punishment or censorship.
 
Originally posted by: udonoogen
While I think that is a relevant question, I think a genuine concern is that innocuous speech that isnt a crime yet will receive punishment or censorship.
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Pre-meditation?
 
Some types of killings have more severe penalties, like those done during the commission of a crime under the felony murder rule. So it seems fair to me that killings done because somebody is gay of of a particular ethnic group get more of a penalty than killings done in the heat of the moment. And there are the road rage laws that apply more severe penalties for accidents where non-raged drivers might just get a ticket. What is so different here?
 
Originally posted by: jackschmittusa
I agree that hate crime laws are pretty foolish and quite dangerous. It is akin to the "thought police". It makes no sense to me that if a person decides to kill someone in cold blood, that his reasoning could make it a worse crime. If someone killed a black, Jewish, lesbian woman, could you be charged with several hate crimes? I guess killing someone who looks and thinks like you isn't nearly as bad a crime.
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Agreed, while Kevin makes a valid point that motive makes the difference between murder, manslaughter, and self-defence, this type of legislation is a form of discrimination we don't need.
 
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