Hate crime law gone awry.

[highland145]

nope, there aren't. the judge will take motive into consideration when coming up with the punishment and what you call hatecrimes can be reason for a hasher sentence but that is the judges perogative.

§ 81, pkt. 6 in the penal code basically says that the judge can take aggravating circumstances into account, but he doesn't have to.

Some in the US should take notes.

 

[Broheim]

Looks like they term it "hate speech"

hate speech only really applies to statements made in an official capacity, if I call some random muslim a "fucking beloved patriot" or something I won't be prosecuted. we do have freedom of speech here.

 

[corwin]

nope, there aren't. the judge will take motive into consideration when coming up with the punishment and what you call hatecrimes can be reason for a hasher sentence but that is the judges perogative.

§ 81, pkt. 6 in the penal code basically says that the judge can take aggravating circumstances into account, but he doesn't have to.

From the sounds of this

"section 80(1) of the Criminal Code instructs courts to take into account the gravity of the offence and the offender's motive when meting out penalty, and therefore to attach importance to the racist motive of crimes in determining sentence."

the court is "instructed" to do just that, doesn't sound like it should be up to them but of course may not be what actually happens, however it is there for that purpose

 

[Broheim]

From the sounds of this

the court is "instructed" to do just that, doesn't sound like it should be up to them but of course may not be what actually happens, however it is there for that purpose

yeah he's instructed to take motive into account, but he isn't forced to give a harsher sentence because of it either. again it's the judge's perogative.

 

[corwin]

yeah he's instructed to take motive into account, but he isn't forced to give a harsher sentence because of it either. again it's the judge's perogative.

Good point, nothing forces it...more BS laws from liberals, just as bad as the BS ones from the conservatives...seems they both want to push their versions of "morality"

 

[DominionSeraph]

Every violent crime is a hate crime. You don't beat the shit out of the people you like.

^^ It's cute watching 10 year olds try to use that undeveloped intellect of theirs.

Criminal justice is primarily set up to punish behavior which is detrimental to society. The problem with hate of a class is that it primes the individual for such detrimental behavior. No longer is the person making a judgement based on conditions on the spot (in a social interaction, sometimes something along the scale of violence is justified [and would not be seen as criminal] given the other person's behavior) -- instead he has already decided that violence is the answer and he is merely looking for any excuse to employ it. <---- This is a problem because it says that this person will be a continual problem. He will disrupt any orderly social gathering in which a member of his hated class is present. He will be looking to cause a problem. This is why the criminal justice system is warranted in stepping down on him hard.

Violent racists are domestic terrorists. If the government fails to stop them it leaves it to the victims to protect themselves.
This:

begets this:

Having the civilian economy shift from consumer goods (people bettering themselves) into an internal arms race is just completely unproductive. To keep society running at productive peacetime settings we use these guys:

...to remove the people who would do this:

 

[Broheim]

Good point, nothing forces it...more BS laws from liberals, just as bad as the BS ones from the conservatives...seems they both want to push their versions of "morality"

I guess it's kinda hard for an american to understand but, here in denmark there really isn't any difference between morality across the political scale here in Denmark and we do have a buttload of common sense in the judicial system.

 

[corwin]

I guess it's kinda hard for an american to understand but, here in denmark there really isn't any difference between morality across the political scale here in Denmark and we do have a buttload of common sense in the judicial system.

Sadly there is here, and our justice system leaves no room for common sense unfortunately...pony boy above is an example

 

[DominionSeraph]

Sadly there is here, and our justice system leaves no room for common sense unfortunately...pony boy above is an example

Says the idiot who can't read.

 

[corwin]

Says the idiot who can't read.

Aww...U mad bro?

Please...your extreme examples are BS and rarely what "hate crimes" are used to punish, the OP is the usual example of how they're applied, someone spouts off a slur against somebody they're fighting with who's a "protected class" (basically not a straight white person) and they get nailed with it no matter what. They aren't going off at said group every time they're around them...and you're outdated KKK/Black Panther pics are almost funny

Go back to your ponies

 

[DominionSeraph]

Please...your extreme examples are BS and rarely what "hate crimes" are used to punish

There's no predefined limit to the scope of a hate crime. It's not an on-the-spot judgement, it's pre-judged. That pre-judgement is modified by the apparent social acceptance of the behavior. If society doesn't look down on the minor hate crimes it tells the hater that he has the green light to move up in scope. The hater is only internally bound by what he thinks he can get away with.

Jeez, it really is like talking to a ten year old.

 

[DominionSeraph]

double
<--- but extra pony, so bonus!

 

[BladeVenom]

So as not to discriminate, lets charge every crime as a hate crime.

 

[DominionSeraph]

So as not to discriminate, lets charge every crime as a hate crime.

The criminal justice system is there to discriminate.

 

[Phoenix86]

nope, there aren't. the judge will take motive into consideration when coming up with the punishment and what you call hatecrimes can be reason for a hasher sentence but that is the judges perogative.

§ 81, pkt. 6 in the penal code basically says that the judge can take aggravating circumstances into account, but he doesn't have to.

Wow, that sounds totally reasonable. Where to I apply?

 

[highland145]

Wow, that sounds totally reasonable. Where to I apply?

Denmark

 

[Lifted]

I can't count the number of times I've seen black kids & men getting in fights calling each other awesome dude.

Same with guys fighting others guys, calling each other f@ggot, knowing full well that the other person wasn't gay.

Are they are all guilty of hate crimes?

 

[HAL9000]

I guess it's kinda hard for an american to understand but, here in denmark there really isn't any difference between morality across the political scale here in Denmark and we do have a buttload of common sense in the judicial system.

That's a really interesting point, that I had never considered about America compared to a lot of European countries, in the UK while there may be different approaches about how to deal with major problems from each of the parties, morality is pretty much the same, it's kind of set and understood unilaterally there is no moral division like in the US, we treat morality like common sense almost.

Interesting point. :thumbsup:

 

[bfdd]

I don't see the problem...? Three lesbian homophobes beat up a gay guy, and are now charged with a hate crime... Seems about right.

you cannot be a lesbian homophobe, that doesn't even fucking make sense you fucking retard. you can be a self hating lesbian, but that doesn't make you a homophobe.

That's a really interesting point, that I had never considered about America compared to a lot of European countries, in the UK while there may be different approaches about how to deal with major problems from each of the parties, morality is pretty much the same, it's kind of set and understood unilaterally there is no moral division like in the US, we treat morality like common sense almost.

Interesting point. :thumbsup:

This is a load of shit, Brits do not have some unified code of morality you fucking piece of shit. Hell even if they did, you are basically claiming you fucks can't think for yourselves and are nothing greater than lemmings. Well when I look at society of lemmings there are others that destroy the shit out of your crappy little nation.

 

[HAL9000]

you cannot be a lesbian homophobe, that doesn't even. You can be a self hating lesbian, but that doesn't make you a homophobe.

Brits do not have some unified code of morality Hell even if they did, you are basically claiming you can't think for yourselves.

Here's what your response should have been without the unnecessary swearing and insults. Grow up and I'll reply properly.

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Says the idiot who can't read.

Lynchings worked and kept the black-people in-line, thus reducing the amount of lynchings needed.

I am supporting your point: When you use terror to try to control a particular group it is not JUST a crime against the "individual that you hate" but also a crime of terrorism against the entire group you intend to intimidate.

 

[HAL9000]

Lynchings worked and kept the black-people in-line, thus reducing the amount of lynchings needed.

I am supporting your point: When you use terror to try to control a particular group it is not JUST a crime against the "individual that you hate" but also a crime of terrorism against the entire group you intend to intimidate.

+1 Well put.

 

[T_Yamamoto]

Lynchings worked and kept the black-people in-line, thus reducing the amount of lynchings needed.

I am supporting your point: When you use terror to try to control a particular group it is not JUST a crime against the "individual that you hate" but also a crime of terrorism against the entire group you intend to intimidate.

Inb4ban

 

[Dr. Zaus]

Inb4ban

You're out of your element donny.

 

[preslove]

^^ It's cute watching 10 year olds try to use that undeveloped intellect of theirs.

Criminal justice is primarily set up to punish behavior which is detrimental to society. The problem with hate of a class is that it primes the individual for such detrimental behavior. No longer is the person making a judgement based on conditions on the spot (in a social interaction, sometimes something along the scale of violence is justified [and would not be seen as criminal] given the other person's behavior) -- instead he has already decided that violence is the answer and he is merely looking for any excuse to employ it. <---- This is a problem because it says that this person will be a continual problem. He will disrupt any orderly social gathering in which a member of his hated class is present. He will be looking to cause a problem. This is why the criminal justice system is warranted in stepping down on him hard.

Violent racists are domestic terrorists. If the government fails to stop them it leaves it to the victims to protect themselves.
This:

begets this:

Having the civilian economy shift from consumer goods (people bettering themselves) into an internal arms race is just completely unproductive. To keep society running at productive peacetime settings we use these guys:

...to remove the people who would do this:

Well put. If you can't understand this, then you are fucking idiot who doesn't know anything about American history.