Haswell Xeon Nomenclature Confusion

[Luddite]

I'm still confused about the codenames and numbers for upcoming Xeon processors.
It seems the Haswell E3 1200 v.3 series was released in June.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_Xeon_microprocessors#.22Haswell.22_.2822_nm.29

Will there be a Haswell E5 v.3? And is that what the Haswell EP is?

http://www.xbitlabs.com/news/cpu/di...icroprocessors_for_Launch_in_2015_Report.html

If I want to wait to get the newer Haswell Xeon chips (single socket) with support for DDR 4 RAM for a workstation build, what names and numbers should I watch for, and when will they be available?

Thanks.

 

[NTMBK]

Yes, the E5v3 will be Haswell-EP. Same way that E5v2 is Ivy Bridge EP.

If you specifically want single socket with DDR4, you will want an E5-1xyz v3, assuming they stick with their current naming scheme.

 

[Luddite]

Yes, the E5v3 will be Haswell-EP. Same way that E5v2 is Ivy Bridge EP.

If you specifically want single socket with DDR4, you will want an E5-1xyz v3, assuming they stick with their current naming scheme.

Still not quite sure what the difference is between E3 and E5.

Is it the E5's that will only have support for DDR4?

Also, I'm looking for a clockspeed of around 3.2 - 3.5GHz and a TDP of no more than 80W.

 

[zir_blazer]

Xeon E3 = Low end Workstations and Server, Single Socket only, based on consumer platforms like LGA 1155 or 1150. You can basically say that they're pretty much identical to mainstream Core i5s and i7s with some extra features aimed to the Workstation and Server market like ECC Memory support.
This like had the Xeon E3 with no V on them (Sandy Bridge), Xeon E3 V2 (Ivy Bridge) and currently Xeon E3 V3 (Haswell).

Xeon E5 = General enterprise platform, that can scale up to 4-way multiprocessor systems. There are two things that you have to watch for: First, that there are TWO totally different Sockets for current Xeons E5, one that uses a pinout amount similar to Nehalem. LGA 1356, that only allows for Dual Processors and Triple Channel, and the other that is LGA 2011 (Like high end Core i7s) that allows for Quad Processors, Quad Channel and has all the goodies. The first one is the Xeon E5 x4xx line, while the full fledged ones are from the E5 x6xx line. You also pay a price premium for how many total Processors your system is going to have (They should be otherwise identical). Xeons E5 4xxx are intended for Quad Processors, E5 2xxx for Dual, 1xxx for Single like LGA 2011 Core i7s.
This line includes Xeons E5 1400 and 2400 for LGA 1356 with 1-way or up to 2-way, and Xeons E5 1600, 2600 and 4600 for LGA 2011. You also have Sandy Bridge-E versions that don't have a V, and Ivy Bridge-E versions that have a V2 on them. Ivy Bridge-E was released months after Haswell, so you had Xeons E3 V3 yet Xeons E5 V2 weren't even released. Xeons E5 V3 will be Haswell-E based and will use a different version of LGA 2011 incompatible with the current one for SB-E and IB-E.

Xeons E7 = High end enterprise, mission critical with tons of RAS support, up to 8-way. The most badass models got 15 Cores (Xeons E5 top at 12).
You have older Xeons E7 based on Nehalem that uses a different nomenclature, the current models that follows the other lines nomenclature are all Xeons E7 V2. They're all Ivy Bridge-EX (Which was released after IB-E), as they skipped the Sandy Bridge generation for these. Oh, and they use yet another different and incompatible version of LGA 2011.


If you want a Single Socket Xeon Haswell with DDR4 support, you should wait until Haswell-E gets released and grab a Xeon E5 1600V3 with a LGA 2011 Motherboard intended for those.

 

[Luddite]

Xeon E3 = Low end Workstations and Server, Single Socket only, based on consumer platforms like LGA 1155 or 1150. You can basically say that they're pretty much identical to mainstream Core i5s and i7s with some extra features aimed to the Workstation and Server market like ECC Memory support.
This like had the Xeon E3 with no V on them (Sandy Bridge), Xeon E3 V2 (Ivy Bridge) and currently Xeon E3 V3 (Haswell).

Xeon E5 = General enterprise platform, that can scale up to 4-way multiprocessor systems. There are two things that you have to watch for: First, that there are TWO totally different Sockets for current Xeons E5, one that uses a pinout amount similar to Nehalem. LGA 1356, that only allows for Dual Processors and Triple Channel, and the other that is LGA 2011 (Like high end Core i7s) that allows for Quad Processors, Quad Channel and has all the goodies. The first one is the Xeon E5 x4xx line, while the full fledged ones are from the E5 x6xx line. You also pay a price premium for how many total Processors your system is going to have (They should be otherwise identical). Xeons E5 4xxx are intended for Quad Processors, E5 2xxx for Dual, 1xxx for Single like LGA 2011 Core i7s.
This line includes Xeons E5 1400 and 2400 for LGA 1356 with 1-way or up to 2-way, and Xeons E5 1600, 2600 and 4600 for LGA 2011. You also have Sandy Bridge-E versions that don't have a V, and Ivy Bridge-E versions that have a V2 on them. Ivy Bridge-E was released months after Haswell, so you had Xeons E3 V3 yet Xeons E5 V2 weren't even released. Xeons E5 V3 will be Haswell-E based and will use a different version of LGA 2011 incompatible with the current one for SB-E and IB-E.

Xeons E7 = High end enterprise, mission critical with tons of RAS support, up to 8-way. The most badass models got 15 Cores (Xeons E5 top at 12).
You have older Xeons E7 based on Nehalem that uses a different nomenclature, the current models that follows the other lines nomenclature are all Xeons E7 V2. They're all Ivy Bridge-EX (Which was released after IB-E), as they skipped the Sandy Bridge generation for these. Oh, and they use yet another different and incompatible version of LGA 2011.


If you want a Single Socket Xeon Haswell with DDR4 support, you should wait until Haswell-E gets released and grab a Xeon E5 1600V3 with a LGA 2011 Motherboard intended for those.

Awesome, thanks zir.

Yeah, I'm just looking for a single socket workstation with 4 cores. So are you saying E3's won't have the DDR4 support, but that the E5's will?

 

[Denithor]

Just curious, why do you want DDR4 memory? At launch it will likely cost multiple times DDR3 prices for equivalent (or even slower) clockspeed.

 

[Zargon]

probably for future proofing

 

[Luddite]

Just curious, why do you want DDR4 memory? At launch it will likely cost multiple times DDR3 prices for equivalent (or even slower) clockspeed.

Yes, at launch. But it will be faster and use less power in the near future.

probably for future proofing

Bingo. I'm planning to build a 8-10 year computer next year. Hoping to get the some bleeding edge components.

 

[Redstorm]

Yes, at launch. But it will be faster and use less power in the near future.

Bingo. I'm planning to build a 8-10 year computer next year. Hoping to get the some bleeding edge components.

I have some kit still running after 10 years but is way obsolete, I build with a 4 - 5 year replacement cycle, 8-10 years is just too long IMO

 

[zir_blazer]

Awesome, thanks zir.

Yeah, I'm just looking for a single socket workstation with 4 cores. So are you saying E3's won't have the DDR4 support, but that the E5's will?

E3 are based on consumer platforms. You won't see a Xeon E3 with DDR4 support until Skylake, as that is when mainstream Core iX line will get it.

For just 4 Cores, you may as well wait a week or two until Haswell Refresh and buy yourself a Xeon E3. Its pointless to wait for DDR4. The replacement cycle is no excuse, because if you're not planning on a mid life upgrade, chances are that DDR4 will be obsoleted and replaced in 8-10 years. You will get no immediate benefit and pay an hefty price premium.

 

[StinkyPinky]

Seems a bit odd that you want to future proof something with DDR4 but only get a 4 core CPU. Especially as its a 10 year box.

 

[Luddite]

E3 are based on consumer platforms. You won't see a Xeon E3 with DDR4 support until Skylake, as that is when mainstream Core iX line will get it.

Ok, thanks. I will get the E5 16xx V3 then when they come out.

For just 4 Cores, you may as well wait a week or two until Haswell Refresh and buy yourself a Xeon E3. Its pointless to wait for DDR4. The replacement cycle is no excuse, because if you're not planning on a mid life upgrade, chances are that DDR4 will be obsoleted and replaced in 8-10 years. You will get no immediate benefit and pay an hefty price premium.

Yes, but just think how much more obsolete DDR3 will be in 8 years. I do plan a ram upgrade in mid-cycle.

Seems a bit odd that you want to future proof something with DDR4 but only get a 4 core CPU. Especially as its a 10 year box.

Most people update their ram more often than their CPU. The amount of proc speed and cores I'll be using and the type of programs I'll be working in should last roughly 8-10 years. The last computer I had lasted 7 years, and I didn't change a thing in that time. I may not make it to 10 years, but that's the goal.

The computer world is slowing down, and people are not replacing their desktops every two years anymore. And hardware is always ahead of software regardless.

 

[Denithor]

Personally I would go for a hex-core and plenty of good DDR3 today if I was building a 10 year computer.

But, then again, I would never seriously expect a computer I built today to last 10 years...

 

[greenhawk]

Personally I would go for a hex-core and plenty of good DDR3 today if I was building a 10 year computer.

+1

While "old", it is proven. Understandably the current 6 cores are getting a little long in the tooth (more the motherboard/socket for them).

The high end enthusiast boards are due for a update shortly, but I think that is more of a late this year setting.

If wanting ECC / Registered RAM then prices are going to be high regardless of what path is followed.

 

[Luddite]

After thinking about it some more, I am leaning toward getting a six core CPU.

 

[DigDog]

Xeon E3 = Low end Workstations and Server, Single Socket only, based on consumer platforms like LGA 1155 or 1150. You can basically say that they're pretty much identical to mainstream Core i5s and i7s with some extra features aimed to the Workstation and Server market like ECC Memory support.
This like had the Xeon E3 with no V on them (Sandy Bridge), Xeon E3 V2 (Ivy Bridge) and currently Xeon E3 V3 (Haswell).

Xeon E5 = General enterprise platform, that can scale up to 4-way multiprocessor systems. There are two things that you have to watch for: First, that there are TWO totally different Sockets for current Xeons E5, one that uses a pinout amount similar to Nehalem. LGA 1356, that only allows for Dual Processors and Triple Channel, and the other that is LGA 2011 (Like high end Core i7s) that allows for Quad Processors, Quad Channel and has all the goodies. The first one is the Xeon E5 x4xx line, while the full fledged ones are from the E5 x6xx line. You also pay a price premium for how many total Processors your system is going to have (They should be otherwise identical). Xeons E5 4xxx are intended for Quad Processors, E5 2xxx for Dual, 1xxx for Single like LGA 2011 Core i7s.
This line includes Xeons E5 1400 and 2400 for LGA 1356 with 1-way or up to 2-way, and Xeons E5 1600, 2600 and 4600 for LGA 2011. You also have Sandy Bridge-E versions that don't have a V, and Ivy Bridge-E versions that have a V2 on them. Ivy Bridge-E was released months after Haswell, so you had Xeons E3 V3 yet Xeons E5 V2 weren't even released. Xeons E5 V3 will be Haswell-E based and will use a different version of LGA 2011 incompatible with the current one for SB-E and IB-E.

Xeons E7 = High end enterprise, mission critical with tons of RAS support, up to 8-way. The most badass models got 15 Cores (Xeons E5 top at 12).
You have older Xeons E7 based on Nehalem that uses a different nomenclature, the current models that follows the other lines nomenclature are all Xeons E7 V2. They're all Ivy Bridge-EX (Which was released after IB-E), as they skipped the Sandy Bridge generation for these. Oh, and they use yet another different and incompatible version of LGA 2011.


If you want a Single Socket Xeon Haswell with DDR4 support, you should wait until Haswell-E gets released and grab a Xeon E5 1600V3 with a LGA 2011 Motherboard intended for those.

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