Haswell to have 10 hours of battery life in tablet, 13 hours docked in real world use

[lagokc]

There was a brief time in 2010 where masses genuinely needed more SoC CPU power than a single core A8 to run that slowass OS called Android 2.xx. That boat has long sailed beyond reach out of Intel once ICS/dualcore A9s hit. Just ICS alone transformed browser performance of my 2010 Optimus Black (1GHz A8) from a complete POS to a somewhat acceptable speeds.

I'll admit to being pretty much happy with the CPU in my Galaxy S3. DroidFish could always use more cores but it makes my phone heat up a frightening amount as is...

 

[Imouto]

As StrangerGuy said Android is now a competitive mobile OS with 75% market share in phones and 45% in tablets and growing in both. The "good enough" that's already happening in desktop will hit the mobile devices soon enough.

Even if you're the Intel & Microsoft duo there's no room for x86 in the mobile game. Windows for mobile devices is a total dud and Android or iOS for x86 is a waste of resources.

 

[Hulk]

Android (and IOS) has been developed specifically to hide how slow the computers running it actually are.

Alternatively one could say that Intel's processors have been designed specifically to hide the slow software they are running.

Like I wrote above, I really don't care what is under the hood as long as it gets the job done.

 

[CHADBOGA]

Atom cant compete today and it wont compete in 5 years time either.

You are sure going to look silly after Bay Trail comes out this year.

 

[R0H1T]

You are sure going to look silly after Bay Trail comes out this year.

I'm sure he won't considering the real market conditions, & not just because of those "way over the top" performance claims, though it "wont compete in 5 years" is also an exaggeration !

 

[TheJokker]

When haswell arrives ivy bridge tablets will fall in price. When Broadwell arrives haswell tablets will fall in price. At some point performance and price will reach a point when gaming tablets become a reality and iPads and androids will go the way of the dinosaur...

 

[thilanliyan]

I am one of those who refuse to buy cheap junk ie 150$ junk android tablets

I'd say the Ipad Mini is cheap junk too (horrendous screen IMO), but it sells for doubled the price you quote for being "junk", so to you the ipad mini is not junk because it sells for more than $150?

Just saying, the price does not always reflect the quality of the hardware. It's just that some companies (eg. Apple) are able to sell their hardware for more despite being as much as if not more "junk-like". Don't forget there are also companies willing to sell hardware for cheap (even though it is good quality), hoping to bring in revenue from the software/content sales (like Amazon).

 

[erunion]

I'm sure he won't considering the real market conditions, & not just because of those "way over the top" performance claims, though it "wont compete in 5 years" is also an exaggeration !

Intel is on the verge of serious marketshare gains in mobile.

I predict marketshare will make "Intel can't compete in mobile" claims look very silly by the end of 2014.

 

[wlee15]

As long as Qualcomm has it's 1 year advantage over everyone else with it's baseband chipsets I don't see Intel making any headway in the mobile space.

 

[NTMBK]

Intel is on the verge of serious marketshare gains in mobile.

I predict marketshare will make "Intel can't compete in mobile" claims look very silly by the end of 2014.

They've been "on the verge" for several years now. I see them struggling in the mobile (phone) space to be honest, due to entrenched market players. They're obviously not going to flip Apple to using x86 unless they show MASSIVE cost and performance benefits over Apple's in house designed chips (like 2 to 3x improvement). They've got a foot in the door with Android as the VM model makes it much easier to move in, but they still have compatibility issues. If a company ships a flagship phone with an Intel chip in it, they're going to get slated for slow performance in apps using native ARM code (i.e. games) as they have to be binary translated, which costs.

But they should do very nicely in the tablet market. Windows 8.1 plus a Temash or Bay Trail chip? Sounds like a great tablet to me. Very easy to sell it based on "and it runs all of your existing apps already!". Basically the opposite of the smartphone situation- x86 apps are entrenched in desktop and laptops, and pushing down into tablets (and hybrids).

 

[Haserath]

If Intel could win the Nexus products, they would have the market set.

 

[Genx87]

When haswell arrives ivy bridge tablets will fall in price. When Broadwell arrives haswell tablets will fall in price. At some point performance and price will reach a point when gaming tablets become a reality and iPads and androids will go the way of the dinosaur...

When haswell arrives ivy bridge tablets will be discontinued. There may be some fire sales but dont expect a higher costing less efficient chip to be used.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

IMO Arm is not going to last in the tablet market. The only thing their chips offer is low power. Once Intel gets theirs down to an acceptable power use why would anyone want Arm?

we've heard this talk for years now?

 

[Sweepr]

The 10W Haswell should allow some very interesting ultrabook convertible designs and x86 tablets at 10-12'' sizes. I think the real answer to ARM will come with Silvermont-based Atom (allowing competitive x86 smartphones and smaller tablets) and Broadwell (iPad-size? x86 tablets with good battery life outperforming ARM solutions from Samsung/Qualcomm/NVIDIA).

 

[ShintaiDK]

http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20130502PD202.html

Nextgen Surface tablets, still Intel and nVidia powered. Maybe there will be a Haswell CPU in the Pro.

 

[lagokc]

Who else here would buy a Haswell phone even if it was 1.5" thick, weighed 1kg, and you had to hold it by a carbon fibre grip around the sides because the back of the phone was a bare heatsink and fan?

 

[2is]

By that chart the MS Surface RT with a Tegra3 (quite a power hungry chip) and a 31.5 Wh beats the battery life of the MS Surface Pro with an underclocked i5 3317U and a 42 Wh battery.

33% more battery = 33% lower battery life

Please tell me how a Haswell chip can two fold the efficiency of the current Ivy Bridge chips.

Haswell devices lasting 10 hours? Sure, with a backpack for the battery like the MS Surface Pro already needs and still can't do.

The biggest consumption of power is the screen, I'd have to assume Intel is factoring in more efficient displays that will likely be in production by the time Haswell equipped tablets are out.

 

[Imouto]

The biggest consumption of power is the screen, I'd have to assume Intel is factoring in more efficient displays that will likely be in production by the time Haswell equipped tablets are out.

Just compare it with a retina display iPad 3 then.

About the same screen size, higher resolution, higher pixel density, same battery capacity for the iPad.

50% better battery life browsing.
110% better battery life playing a 720p source.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6695/microsoft-surface-pro-review/9

 

[2is]

Just compare it with a retina display iPad 3 then.

About the same screen size, higher resolution, higher pixel density, same battery capacity for the iPad.

50% better battery life browsing.
110% better battery life playing a 720p source.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/6695/microsoft-surface-pro-review/9

I'm not sure what your point is in relation to what I was saying.

 

[Imouto]

- The LCD alone doesn't make the battery life drop that badly just switching tasks compared to other tablets.
- Other tablets can improve their LCDs too.

 

[2is]

- The LCD alone doesn't make the battery life drop that badly just switching tasks compared to other tablets.
- Other tablets can improve their LCDs too.

I didn't say anything about the LCD alone. I'm talking about Haswell+LCD

I'm not comparing a better LCD to a better LCD either. I'm comparing what's in the surface pro currently to what may be available with Haswell

Try not being so obtuse. I think my comparisons were pretty obvious.