So Haswell Refresh is expected to launch in May 2014, and Broadwell in Q3 2014. Can someone please explain to me how that makes sense? Will Haswell Refresh have a lifespan of around 2-5 months? 
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Haswell Refresh to launch in May, Broadwell in Q3 - how does that make sense?
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There are many different versions of Broadwell. Q3 launch probably refers to mobile SKUs (U/Y low TDP and 47-57W quad-core models might come first).
Broadwell-K did appear in a leaked roadmap and it should replace Core i7 4770K (or a possible Haswell Refresh i7 4790K model) in Q4. It is unclear if there will be non-K LGA1150 desktop versions of Broadwell, they didnt show up in the latest roadmaps. My guess: non-K desktop stuff gets replaced by Skylake late H1/2015.
Broadwell-K did appear in a leaked roadmap and it should replace Core i7 4770K (or a possible Haswell Refresh i7 4790K model) in Q4. It is unclear if there will be non-K LGA1150 desktop versions of Broadwell, they didnt show up in the latest roadmaps. My guess: non-K desktop stuff gets replaced by Skylake late H1/2015.
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So Broadwell -K SKU in Q3 on existing Z87 1150 platform? If so then cheap upgrade.
Nope. You'll need the "9" series chipsets.
My impression of it is that the Haswell Refresh is simply a version that will definitely be compatible with the series 9 chipset based motherboards. Which would make sense if the current Haswell version isn't compatible with it for some reason.
Doing that would make at least give a purpose to Haswell Refresh - it'd allow Intel and partners to launch the series 9 chipset platform as planned despite any delays to Broadwell. And since such would likely just require a slight packaging change to Haswell it's not a big deal if it's not around for very long.
Doing that would make at least give a purpose to Haswell Refresh - it'd allow Intel and partners to launch the series 9 chipset platform as planned despite any delays to Broadwell. And since such would likely just require a slight packaging change to Haswell it's not a big deal if it's not around for very long.
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It does allow them to continue to utilize their 22nm fabs without being "overstocked" with too much new 14nm inventory. If I understand correctly, those fabs cost a bunch to build and the sales made from the chips are pays them off, so they need to produce and sell a certain number of chips to make their desired profit.
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So Haswell Refresh is expected to launch in May 2014, and Broadwell in Q3 2014. Can someone please explain to me how that makes sense? Will Haswell Refresh have a lifespan of around 2-5 months?
I thought it was clear that on the desktop side only Broadwell-K is coming November or December. Broadwell i7+i5 is coming in Q3 for mobile, don't confuse it with desktop.
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Intel is like a marching army. Haswell on mobile is a smash hit. The power savings are fantastic. Everyone I have given a Haswell laptop to here at work has commented on the battery life and yet so soon they are moving to Broadwell. I wonder if they see their real competition with ARM cpu's and not the failing AMD.
Personally I don't see a future for ARM in the tablet market. I think Intel will squeeze them out in the next couple of generation of CPU's.
Personally I don't see a future for ARM in the tablet market. I think Intel will squeeze them out in the next couple of generation of CPU's.
It might only be two dies - DC + GT3 for the Ultrabooks, and QC + GT3e for the high end laptops, Broadwell-K and Xeons (which the latter 2 will be 50-70 more than the Haswell Refresh GT2 version). Could be a DC + GT2 for Ultrabooks as well, but only the less than 10W models.
From what you guys have read, will any of these chips have a stock clock speed of 4.0Ghz or higher? If not, when do you supposed we will see it?
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Where did you see this? Given they are 6 core minimum I would find that more of an anomaly than if they had a 4 core in there. 6 core @ 4ghz stock would be pretty ridiculous.
Definitely. Perhaps it'll be 4GHz stock on some obscure server part that won't sell in any relevant volume, but definitely nothing anyone here would buy.
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I suspect the earliest stock 4.0Ghz desktop model would happen with Skylake in 2015, but even then I am not actually expecting it.
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Stuck in neutral is the name of the game from Intel, and I doubt a hexcore Haswell can handle 4 Ghz without turning into a toaster even with solder. Look at the 4960X, 3.6 Ghz...., and if they repeat history, the hypothetical 4970X is going to be at 3.7 Ghz if they even release the thing.
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but with Turbo core.
btw, its crazy, because in few months new Z97 chipset. Now is the question, Z97 will support only Haswells or Broadwells too? Z87 is only Haswell.
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Both chipsets support both. Its only a motherboard implementation.
You can already buy Xeons with 4Ghz and above turbo.
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Intel's only sold one product above 4 Turbo - an Ivy Bridge Xeon E3 with a 4.1 Turbo. They did not release a Haswell Xeon E3 with that speed.
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