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Haswell in March/April 2013

jsedlak said:
Wow! I was going to go LGA2011 with the hope that IB-E would be soon behind with a big speed increase... but now it seems... silly. I was thinking Haswell was more late-2013/early-2014.
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This makes the assumption that the schedule won't slip at all and that Haswell-E parts will come out shortly after the initial product releases. We also don't have much in the way or reliable performance information either.
 
So the shrink of Haswell should be mid 2014. That's when I will likely upgrade my 2500k. Hopefully they will have a 6-core by then.
 
Meh. Sick of the mainstream platforms getting the prime cores, but I guess it makes sense. My Gulftown will have to do until HSW is on a high end platform.
 
1150 I see, it drives me mad when they just duck a pin here or add a few pin there just to make you buy a new board!
 
nyker96 said:
1150 I see, it drives me mad when they just duck a pin here or add a few pin there just to make you buy a new board!
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They wouldn't be electrically compatible even if they had the same number of pins. Haswell has a new power delivery system due to the integrated VRM's, which requires changes to the functions of the pins. There could easily be other changes in the socket as well. If Haswell came out with a physically compatible socket, then best case it won't work, worst case you blow the CPU.
 
Yup, new socket is pretty much required due to them moving the voltage regulators and other power circuitry onto the chip. Wouldn't want some goofball sticking their Ivy Bridge into a Haswell board and frying the CPU because the board is feeding it +12V straight from the PSU rail instead of the 1.2V or whatever Ivy Bridge is expecting to receive that was already downconverted from the +12V rail by external VRMs.
 
Personally, if they are going to move the VRMs on-die, I think that they are nuts. Mixed analog/digital design on these small transistor-sizes are pretty hard, I assume. Wonder if Intel has much analog design experience, or if they are going to farm out that part?
 
Intel17 said:
Meh. Sick of the mainstream platforms getting the prime cores, but I guess it makes sense. My Gulftown will have to do until HSW is on a high end platform.
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Your 980x is still one of the best processors money can buy and i wouldn't worry to much about it being outdated with that beast of a oc.😉

Power consumption and huge ipc increases might make a upgrade for you worthwhile if HSW delivers.
 
I'll wait for the 14nm shrink (think it's called Broadwell?) before upgrading my LGA775 setup.

Or I might even wait for Skylake in 2015, if my current setup lasts me that long. Don't see the point in increased CPU power for the stuff that I do on my computer.
 
Edrick said:
Wouldn't be nice if s2011 could also handle Haswell-E. Doubt it, but I can dream.
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Pretty much absolutely certainly it can't. Haswell integrates the VRM circuitry into the cpu package, so the power pins bring in +12V.

(BTW, after that there will be absolutely no components on the MB that have any effect *at all* on the overclockability of the CPU. I wonder how the MB makers are going to spin their expensive editions then.)
 
Tuna-Fish said:
Pretty much absolutely certainly it can't. Haswell integrates the VRM circuitry into the cpu package, so the power pins bring in +12V.
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Is that going to be true for all Haswell editions? Or just the mobile and/or mainstream LGA1150 parts?
 
skipsneeky2 said:
Your 980x is still one of the best processors money can buy and i wouldn't worry to much about it being outdated with that beast of a oc.😉

Power consumption and huge ipc increases might make a upgrade for you worthwhile if HSW delivers.
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The FMA3/AVX2 extensions on HSW alone make it exciting. Let alone other perf/power improvements over the NHM cores on my Gulfy.
 
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