Haswell i3-4340 review

[SPBHM]

In that bench perhaps. But looking at those numbers, apparently it doesn't scale with cores whatsoever (much like Skyrim in fact). Games that use 4 cores and beyond will divebomb on an i3 (BF3/BF4/yadda yadda), and that will mean Ivy i3 falling far far behind 2500K even at stock (and 2500K overclock like absolute monsters).

It's not that they're bad per se, but not a wise purchase circa 2013.

if you compare the PII X2 with the X4 on the bottom of the graphic, the difference goes beyond what we could expect from clock difference alone (3% higher clock with 20% higher performance?), not a massive gain, but keep in mind i3s also have half the l3 cache, PII X2-X4 have the same l3 cache.


but... I agree with the other post,
please Intel release some unlocked i3s!

 

[ElFenix]

You guys might be underestimating the real-world performance of the i3. Take a second look at many game benchmarks where it is hanging in there just below all the Intel quads, and beating the standard dual cores by huge margins. I didn't have any trouble gaming with an i3-3220 temporarily. You yourself have proclaimed the importance of single-threaded performance, i3 has that down, along with decent multi-threaded on par with i5 up to 3 or 4 threads, depending on the load.

I'd bet an Ivy i3 would be right by that 2500K.

i'd like to see an overclocked clarkdale vs. whatever this is (haswell 2C?)

 

[StrangerGuy]

In that bench perhaps. But looking at those numbers, apparently it doesn't scale with cores whatsoever (much like Skyrim in fact). Games that use 4 cores and beyond will divebomb on an i3 (BF3/BF4/yadda yadda), and that will mean Ivy i3 falling far far behind 2500K even at stock (and 2500K overclock like absolute monsters).

It's not that they're bad per se, but not a wise purchase circa 2013.

Exactly. $50 Celerons and $200 unlocked quads with nothing in between that make sense.

 

[escrow4]

Exactly. $50 Celerons and $200 unlocked quads with nothing in between that make sense.

The FX 6300 for $120 . . . . :whiste:

 

[Arkaign]

The FX 6300 for $120 . . . . :whiste:

Well there ya go! This is the area where AMD still has some real merit. Now if only they'd offer the FX 6300 on the FM2 platform, AM3 is sooooooooo dated now. (and I own an AM3+ setup, lol).

 

[StrangerGuy]

The FX 6300 for $120 . . . . :whiste:

I'm talking about Intel's lineup, duh.

 

[Arkaign]

I'm talking about Intel's lineup, duh.

Hehe yeah. I wonder if it's purely due to Intel knowing that most of their gaming enthusiast crowd (our little minority) will just pony up the bucks for a K-series quad most of the time anyway? I know I've done so myself multiple times now.

I'd hazard a guess that they think that they'd needlessly cannibalize 4670K/4770K sales with a hypothetical i3-4370K.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Exactly. $50 Celerons and $200 unlocked quads with nothing in between that make sense.

This, especially when you have a cheap source of Celerons / Pentiums (eg. $35 - G1610 and $60 - G2030 at MicroCenter) or pretty dang nice incentives on the K SKUs (-$40 off motherboard, discounts off other components).

 

[SammichPG]

I'll also point out that according to the ark, Haswell i3's don't support AVX2. Pentiums don't even have support for regular AVX. What is that all about Intel, my old 920 had SSE4.2 support and that's a 5 year old chip (a high end one, but still...). Why should programmers bother implementing AVX, when the lowest common denominator for Haswell is still SSE4.2?

Not a big deal, the AMD cpus support avx but try running a program compiled with ICC and it doesn't matter anyway. You're back to running x87 instructions! Not sure why amd doesn't unlock the cpu vendor id and/or release a utility to modify it, they're leaving 10-15% performance on the table (or even more in some cases).

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Not a big deal, the AMD cpus support avx but try running a program compiled with ICC and it doesn't matter anyway. You're back to running x87 instructions! Not sure why amd doesn't unlock the cpu vendor id and/or release a utility to modify it, they're leaving 10-15% performance on the table (or even more in some cases).

Not necessarily. If you're compiling for 64bit then SSE2 support is mandatory.

But that's not the point. Using artificial feature limitations quite simply sucks.

 

[SPBHM]

Half the die is wasted on a gpu that is pretty much useless. Why cant they just make a really cheap small quad core with no gpu. How much would it really cost to produce a completely new quad core die with no gpu, and maybe even a smaller cache? It's not really a redesign of anything, so I'm thinking the cost would be pretty reasonable. And profitable. Who here would not pay $149 for a tiny i5 die with no gpu? Any pc gamer would call that the sweet spot and its a money maker for intel because its such a small die.

they probably could sell current i5s for $149 keeping a good profit margin?

but selling a $149 quad core CPU would mean less $200 quad cores sold, which lowers their profit...

anyway,
Intel seem to have a quad core + Gt1 die!?

I haven't seen it so far (even the 4430 uses GT2)

http://translate.google.com/transla...co.jp/docs/column/kaigai/20130904_613951.html

I love the GT3 dual core... a big GPU with bonus x86 cores :biggrin:

i'd like to see an overclocked clarkdale vs. whatever this is (haswell 2C?)

CB 11.5

I3 4340 3600MHz 3.94 points
i3 540 4770MHz 3.89 points
i3 4130 3400MHz 3.73 points

 

[ShintaiDK]

Looks like speculation. pc.watch is not exactly reliable.

 

[daveybrat]

How about the new G3220 Pentium Haswell?

Intel Pentium G3220 Haswell 3.0GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646G3220

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116950

 

[NTMBK]

anyway,
Intel seem to have a quad core + Gt1 die!?

I haven't seen it so far (even the 4430 uses GT2)

It's probably used in their Xeon E3s - quite a lot of them have their IGP completely disabled, and supposedly the E3-1265L v3 has a 6EU IGP. (According to Wikipedia :hmm: )

 

[CHADBOGA]

How about the new G3220 Pentium Haswell?

Intel Pentium G3220 Haswell 3.0GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646G3220

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116950

I have bought this for a friend's HTPC.

When I have it up and running, I'll do some benchmarks on it.

 

[BSim500]

Arkaign - "So i3 is still a failure, just a different kind of failure now? Yay"

I'd say the Haswell i3 is now an even bigger failure. It's barely 5% faster at same clock vs Ivy (4130 vs 3240 both at 3.4GHz) yet the power consumption is up 24-27%! :thumbsdown:

From Chinese review link:-
i3-3240 = 42w idle / 77w load
i3-4130 = 42w idle / 95w load

And from the Russian review link:-
i3-2125 = 79w idle / 113w load
i3-3220 = 66w idle / 92w load
i3-4340 = 64w idle / 117w load

The Haswell i3 load power figures are approaching some low-end 22nm Ivy Bridge i5's (i5-3350P (OC-able to 3.7GHz), or a "good" i5-3470 (OC-able to 4.0GHz) with Turbo Boost & Multi-core enhancement), and has virtually wiped out the efficiency gain the 22nm process Ivy chips had over the Sandy's, pretty much killing off the chip in HTPC's / silent-rigs as an "upgrade" to the Ivy i3's.

Arkaign - "I would hope that nobody seriously uses any Intel CPU for any kind of primary gaming off the IGP"

Agree 100%. From above link:-

Unigine Heaven:-
HD7750 = 27min / 47avg
i3-4340 = 14min / 21avg
i3-3200 = 8min / 15avg

7750 is basically a "lower-mid" end card these days. To those who spend a lot on CPU's but say "79 bucks is still too expensive" - you can get a cheap 2nd-hand 5770 card (or nvidia equiv) on Ebay for sometimes half that (I saw one go for 37 bucks - perfect working order) - the cost of one single release day AAA game - that's still twice as fast with AA enabled as the fastest iGPU's are with AA disabled, and without having to use 2002-era sub 1280x1024 non-native resolutions...

About time the "iGPU p*ssing contest" refocussed on CPU power. Those who run basic work boxes (Office + web browser) / only watch video / play light 2D flash games won't gain much beyond a Pentium, and desktop gamers with discrete cards (ie, +90% of them) won't gain a thing either. Intel need to stop releasing silly 1-5% boost "tocks" and AMD need to seriously take advantage of this slip-up, significantly get their power consumption down and refocus on getting back into the mid-range market with "blow for blow" competition, just like the "old days".

 

[SPBHM]

considering the amount of work they did on the platform level to lower the idle power usage, I'm quite impressed by the numbers we've seen so far, which are showing no improvement at all compared to IB.

 

[Magic Carpet]

How about the new G3220 Pentium Haswell?

Intel Pentium G3220 Haswell 3.0GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646G3220

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116950

I have zero intention to upgrade from G2020, to be frank. No AVX, TSX, bigger thermal output. (Newegg got it wrong, again ) Only for a new build, can it make any sense. I'd rather buy a new iPhone.

I have bought this for a friend's HTPC.

When I have it up and running, I'll do some benchmarks on it.

Please do that, and let's compare idle/load power consumption :thumbsup:

considering the amount of work they did on the platform level to lower the idle power usage, I'm quite impressed by the numbers we've seen so far, which are showing no improvement at all compared to IB.

Yeah, it's weird, but let's wait for more reviews, the Russians had tested an engineering sample, after all

 

[SammichPG]

Not necessarily. If you're compiling for 64bit then SSE2 support is mandatory.

But that's not the point. Using artificial feature limitations quite simply sucks.

Intel i3s and pentiums edge AMD processors in single thread and gaming, don't you think that using avx and later sse versions would close the gap or make it smaller? It's just free performance left on the table by an artificial trick in the intel compiler.

It boggles my mind that you can't easily change cpuid with some utility, why does AMD block that stuff?

 

[Jimzz]

How about the new G3220 Pentium Haswell?

Intel Pentium G3220 Haswell 3.0GHz LGA 1150 54W Dual-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics BX80646G3220

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819116950

Thats kinda the rub and hate for the new i3's. For about half the price you get 80%+ of the performance.

I agree, either get a i5 Quad or get a Pentium and save the money for a better video card.

EDIT:

Just saw the new lower/cheap I3 also have less cache than the more costly i3's? The heck is up with that?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Intel i3s and pentiums edge AMD processors in single thread and gaming, don't you think that using avx and later sse versions would close the gap or make it smaller? It's just free performance left on the table by an artificial trick in the intel compiler.

I don't think, I know. Try comparing the same code with/without AVX/FMA4/XOP on a Piledriver-based CPU. The result is very is measurable...

(of course the same is true of Intel CPUs)

It boggles my mind that you can't easily change cpuid with some utility, why does AMD block that stuff?

They most likely have to. Don't know the details though.

 

[SammichPG]

I don't think, I know. Try comparing the same code with/without AVX/FMA4/XOP on a Piledriver-based CPU. The result is very is measurable...

(of course the same is true of Intel CPUs)



They most likely have to. Don't know the details though.

Do you mean that not using avx/sse3/sse4 isn't a big deal?

 

[Insert_Nickname]

Do you mean that not using avx/sse3/sse4 isn't a big deal?

Quite the opposite in fact...

Using AVX/FMA4/XOP gives a big boost to Bulldozer/Piledriver. A friend of mine tried compiling the linux kernel with those extensions. The result was actually pretty impressive. Don't ask for details, I'm not that much of a programmer...

 

[ehume]

Pondering a laptop next year. I'm using a 2008 Dell Core 2 Duo T5800 at 2GHz and it has gone from intolerable to merely lame by adding an SSD (128GB C300). But the graphics get corrupted easily.

My kid games on a laptop she bought in the UK. It has an IB quad, HD 4000 graphics, an SSD and a 1 TB HD in place of the DVD. She plays various games and likes it.

So that is why the Core i3-4330T looks good. 2t/4c, HD4600, 35W TDP. I figure on getting an inexpensive laptop with HD, replace the HD with an SSD and get good battery life.

Basically, few of us OC, and I don't need powerful anything on my laptop. But if I go too cheap I'll get lousy components and battery time will go down. So I need a lappy this coming Dec-Jan, and I figure the time frame is about right for these new chips. I see most of the new cpu's announced as either chips for really chip desktops (like what we use at work) or for laptops.

Am I thinking correctly here? Or am I missing something?

 

[LOL_Wut_Axel]

Pondering a laptop next year. I'm using a 2008 Dell Core 2 Duo T5800 at 2GHz and it has gone from intolerable to merely lame by adding an SSD (128GB C300). But the graphics get corrupted easily.

My kid games on a laptop she bought in the UK. It has an IB quad, HD 4000 graphics, an SSD and a 1 TB HD in place of the DVD. She plays various games and likes it.

So that is why the Core i3-4330T looks good. 2t/4c, HD4600, 35W TDP. I figure on getting an inexpensive laptop with HD, replace the HD with an SSD and get good battery life.

Basically, few of us OC, and I don't need powerful anything on my laptop. But if I go too cheap I'll get lousy components and battery time will go down. So I need a lappy this coming Dec-Jan, and I figure the time frame is about right for these new chips. I see most of the new cpu's announced as either chips for really chip desktops (like what we use at work) or for laptops.

Am I thinking correctly here? Or am I missing something?

Don't get too excited. If past history repeats itself, then the "low power" T versions will be hugely disappointing given their considerably lower performance and only slightly lower power consumption. The standard versions are always the ones that deliver the most performance/watt, at least in desktops.