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The link is bogus. HW-E is soldered and they are Xeon chips. I will dig up the link, but it was explained clearly on Overclock.net or Xtremesystems. The HW-E chips have the small hole in the IHS which is used in the soldering process 'to equalize the pressure' or something along those lines.

Rumours about it not being soldered are just that, rumours, or attempts to get some poor soul to kill his HW-E with a delid attempt :hmm:
 
Grooveriding said:
The link is bogus. HW-E is soldered and they are Xeon chips. I will dig up the link, but it was explained clearly on Overclock.net or Xtremesystems. The HW-E chips have the small hole in the IHS which is used in the soldering process 'to equalize the pressure' or something along those lines.

Rumours about it not being soldered are just that, rumours, or attempts to get some poor soul to kill his HW-E with a delid attempt :hmm:
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Are you sure, or just hopefully confidant? I mean why would MSI go to all the trouble of engineering and manufacturing a "die guard" if there was no truth to it? I'd expect MSI to have a lot more insight into Intel's roadmap than us random hapless (and hopeful) forum posters.
 
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Are you sure, or just hopefully confidant? I mean why would MSI go to all the trouble of engineering and manufacturing a "die guard" if there was no truth to it? I'd expect MSI to have a lot more insight into Intel's roadmap than us random hapless (and hopeful) forum posters.
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If they have indeed used "non-soldered heatsinks", because of their decisions to not use materials made in "troubled"/war-torn areas, combined with their decision to keep the on-board voltage regulators (and not helped by the TSX bug). Then cramming 2 full haswell quads (6 or 8 core total), may not be a wonderful OVERCLOCKERS delight, cpu.
I would hate to take a scalpel (del-lid), to a potentially $999 chip. Anyway, I think we will know for certain, soon.

EDIT: 140W (approx) TDP, "non-soldered heatsink", sounds like a tall order to me. i.e. it's going to tend to run a bit too hot, even before overclocking. (Maybe).
 
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Idontcare said:
Are you sure, or just hopefully confidant? I mean why would MSI go to all the trouble of engineering and manufacturing a "die guard" if there was no truth to it? I'd expect MSI to have a lot more insight into Intel's roadmap than us random hapless (and hopeful) forum posters.
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Oh, thanks Debbie downer 😛 Well, if true, that's unfortunate - de-lidding seems too risky for an expensive CPU (well, for some cost won't be an issue).
 
Ajay said:
Oh, thanks Debbie downer 😛 Well, if true, that's unfortunate - de-lidding seems too risky for an expensive CPU (well, for some cost won't be an issue).
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My most expensive CPU cost me $1500 and I destroyed it (unintentionally of course) over the course of 2yrs. I'm firmly of the opinion that anyone who can't afford to replace their $1k CPU is a person who probably can't truly afford the first one in the first place. (i.e. they are carrying credit card debt, a mortgage, car payments, student loans, etc that should be paid down first before they buy and destroy spendy CPU toys) Just my opinion though, doubtful Intel is approaching that gravy market segment with the same mentality.
 
Idontcare said:
My most expensive CPU cost me $1500 and I destroyed it (unintentionally of course) over the course of 2yrs. I'm firmly of the opinion that anyone who can't afford to replace their $1k CPU is a person who probably can't truly afford the first one in the first place. (i.e. they are carrying credit card debt, a mortgage, car payments, student loans, etc that should be paid down first before they buy and destroy spendy CPU toys) Just my opinion though, doubtful Intel is approaching that gravy market segment with the same mentality.
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Intel should be producing quality parts, with quality internal heatsink materials. If they are NOT, then that is a major concern for some costumers, who will desperately look around for any alternatives.
We should not have to throw in the trash bin $1000 or $1500 a time, because Intel decided to not use some decent materials on ethical grounds or save a small amount of production cost, or whatever their motivation is.
 
Well, there is a bit of a difference between destroying a cpu by keeping your foot on its throat versus killing it before you even install it.
 
Idontcare said:
Are you sure, or just hopefully confidant? I mean why would MSI go to all the trouble of engineering and manufacturing a "die guard" if there was no truth to it? I'd expect MSI to have a lot more insight into Intel's roadmap than us random hapless (and hopeful) forum posters.
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I can't read whatever the language is in that link, but it refers to socket 1150, desktop Haswell. I'll find the post where I saw the purpose of the hole in the IHS explained. It didn't come off as someone being flippant in an attempt at an explanation. As someone else mentioned in this thread, wouldn't it be odd to specifically make HW-E - iterations of Xeons which are soldered - specifically not soldered ?

We also have this : http://www.pcper.com/news/General-Tech/Intel-Haswell-E-De-Lidded-Solder-Its-Thermal-Interface




These are not up Newegg yet and I want to give Intel some money! Is 12pm when we will see these available for purchase ? Looks like X99 motherboards are up on Newegg now, no CPUs though.
 
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Sorry if my previous post, was too harsh against Intel.

After quickly reading the first review, it seems that it is using the new polymer (not soldered) heatsink interface material, and when they tried to overclock it, they got their best results (an extra 200 MHz), running stably (i.e. not overheating), but by only NOT testing with prime95, intel burn test and other high loading stability test programs.
Which sounds a little bit disappointing to me, as I took for granted that it was going to be a soldered heatsink interface material.

The link to the 1st review is in the other Haswell-E thread.
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Idontcare said:
My most expensive CPU cost me $1500 and I destroyed it (unintentionally of course) over the course of 2yrs. I'm firmly of the opinion that anyone who can't afford to replace their $1k CPU is a person who probably can't truly afford the first one in the first place. (i.e. they are carrying credit card debt, a mortgage, car payments, student loans, etc that should be paid down first before they buy and destroy spendy CPU toys) Just my opinion though, doubtful Intel is approaching that gravy market segment with the same mentality.
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Good point, though I'd exempt someone with a mortgage and high liquidity and income. I used to invest my money instead of paying off my mortgage because it was a net positive. I guess with 20/20 hindsight (2008 crash) maybe that wasn't the best idea.
 
SOFTengCOMPelec said:
Sorry if my previous post, was too harsh against Intel.

After quickly reading the first review, it seems that it is using the new polymer (not soldered) heatsink interface material, and when they tried to overclock it, they got their best results (an extra 200 MHz), running stably (i.e. not overheating), but by only NOT testing with prime95, intel burn test and other high loading stability test programs.
Which sounds a little bit disappointing to me, as I took for granted that it was going to be a soldered heatsink interface material.

The link to the 1st review is in the other Haswell-E thread.
Repeated here for convenience.
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Yikes, finished reading it, so they aren't soldered. Probably why we see temps like 90C with a 4.4Ghz overclock. That is definitely disappointing.
 
Grooveriding said:
Yikes, finished reading it, so they aren't soldered. Probably why we see temps like 90C with a 4.4Ghz overclock. That is definitely disappointing.
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I'll definitely wait and see how this plays out. If these chips require delid then I'll likely skip HW-E. DDR4 prices are so unbelievably bad right now anyway and are just killing it for me regardless. The fact that 4x4GB of average rated DDR4 memory costs more than the good 4x8GB DDR3 I bought is terrible.
 
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