Haswell-E might launch Q2

[cytg111]

Don't forget that Intel's clock speeds and turbo limits (and everyone else's, by the way) are bound by TDP and/or power draw. When you're dealing with many-core processors, the base clock is going to be lower as you add more cores.

It's not like Haswell-E or, say, a 16 core Interlagos are artificially handicapped and can't clock as high as a standard Haswell or Zambezi chip -- they're just clocked lower out of the factory because 8 full fledged cores or 8 modules draw a lot of power. With adequate cooling, that extra power isn't an issue.

Low stock clocks will only become more commonplace as core counts grow. With turbo boost though, the issue is (essentially) fully negated.

I hear that, I just have a hard time wrapping my head around a haswell, 8 cores non the less, that overclocks 50%+ .. that would surely be intels comeback-kid of overclocking.

 

[moonbogg]

I'm thinking my sig will show 6 core haswell-E, GTX 870SLi, Asus ROG Swift. BOOM NICE! I'd spring for the 8 core if I thought it would do something for gaming. When that day comes I can just swap CPUs, but I doubt 8c/16t will be useful for gaming any time in the foreseeable future. 6 cores are barely scratching the surface as it is, but I won't go back to 4.

 

[Homeles]

I hear that, I just have a hard time wrapping my head around a haswell, 8 cores non the less, that overclocks 50%+ .. that would surely be intels comeback-kid of overclocking.

I don't think it'll quite be 50% (4.5GHz). Maybe 4.3GHz is a bit more realistic, which is roughly what standard Haswell averages anyway.

 

[BrightCandle]

50% but only because the default clock speed was so low. I kind of suspect it will come with boost set to something like 39/38/36/34/32/30 or such. Because if only one core is being run it will happily be able to hit the clockspeed of other Haswell's, I don't think its likely the maximum boost will be 30. So isn't it more likely the overlock will be a mere 20% or so?

 

[dhazeghi]

a couple thoughts here:

1. it doesn't look like we're going to see a 4-core consumer Haswell-E

2. if we see a 5820K as a 6-core, entry level CPU for the platform, and even if its only ~$400, we still have $200+ X99 motherboards and all new RAM to buy in DDR4 (likely over $100 if we decide to go with at least two sticks to stay bandwidth competitive with mainstream Haswell) to complete an upgrade.

so its looking like it will still be a couple hundred more to go 6-core, and that's inferring a $400 chip...

That makes sense. The absence of 4-core Haswell-E is encouraging - that means that unless they want to dramatically increase prices on the lower end, the cost for 6-core is going to come down a lot. I mean today, you compare regular Haswell (Z87 + 4770K) with Ivy Bridge-E (X79 + 4930K) and it's around a $400 difference, so even with the RAM costs, if the 6-core Haswell-E is ~$400, it seems like you should come out ahead.

 

[frozentundra123456]

I see it differently. I think a quad haswell E with a soldered ihs would be great. At least hope for better overclocking. Also, if there are only six and eight core chips, I don't see why anyone would expect the six core to be 400.00.

I could easily see the six core staying at 500 plus and the eight core replacing the extreme edition at 1000.00. A six core at 400.00, even on a different platform, I think in Intel's mind would compete to closely to the 4770k.

 

[guskline]

I'm excited about this release to see how much of a jump this Haswell-E is over my 3930k @4.5 Ghz. Obviously 8 cores vs 6 cores but for gaming it will be interesting.

 

[NTMBK]

I see it differently. I think a quad haswell E with a soldered ihs would be great. At least hope for better overclocking. Also, if there are only six and eight core chips, I don't see why anyone would expect the six core to be 400.00.

I could easily see the six core staying at 500 plus and the eight core replacing the extreme edition at 1000.00. A six core at 400.00, even on a different platform, I think in Intel's mind would compete to closely to the 4770k.

The 4770k does offer a cheaper platform (dual instead of quad channel to populate with DIMMs), as well as credible integrated graphics.

I can also see this being a play by Intel to move us (i.e. enthusiasts) to the E platform; they want to drive "mainstream" Core products towards lower power, higher integration, so that they can push it into thinner laptops and tablets. If Intel can get us to migrate to the E platform, then they will face less of a backlash if they e.g. cut the number of PCIe lanes available from a mainstream CPU/chipset in order to conserve power.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I hear that, I just have a hard time wrapping my head around a haswell, 8 cores non the less, that overclocks 50%+ .. that would surely be intels comeback-kid of overclocking.

I don't think it'll quite be 50% (4.5GHz). Maybe 4.3GHz is a bit more realistic, which is roughly what standard Haswell averages anyway.

I think it'll be able to hit 4.5+GHz, and it wont be a matter of luck, unless you consider having water cooling lucky

 

[frozentundra123456]

I think it'll be able to hit 4.5+GHz, and it wont be a matter of luck, unless you consider having water cooling lucky

Hope you are right, but the spotty at best overclocking of regular Haswell and the low base clock make me less than optimistic. Even a lot of Haswell quads dont reach 4.5ghz.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Hope you are right, but the spotty at best overclocking of regular Haswell and the low base clock make me less than optimistic. Even a lot of Haswell quads dont reach 4.5ghz.

poor Haswell (and even Ivy-E) overclocking is largely because of temperature issues due to non-solder TIM

since Haswell-E will have solder TIM, the issue we'll have with overclocking 8-core will be dealing with the massive quantity of heat being generated, ie something that could actually overload the cooling capability of a heatsink designed for quads, and likely VRM stress and heat as well (overheating VRMs are actually what is holding my 3930K back).

if you plan to throw on any old AIO water cooler (or perhaps even a high end tower cooler) and hope to call it a day, chances are inevitably going to be much higher that you get stuck around ~4-4.2GHz across all cores...but if you have a high end AIO, or ideally legit water or better and can cool your CPU and even your VRMs, I would be shocked (and majorly disappointed) if everyone with such capability wouldn't be able to do 4.5+.

And don't let the low base clock fool you, with turbo the stock CPU might never go below 3.4GHz for 99% of non-idle computing time, which is only 100MHz less than a stock 4770K. But we still don't know final specs, so don't take anything for certain, its all educated guesses right now.

 

[ehume]

I can also see this being a play by Intel to move us (i.e. enthusiasts) to the E platform; they want to drive "mainstream" Core products towards lower power, higher integration, so that they can push it into thinner laptops and tablets. If Intel can get us to migrate to the E platform, then they will face less of a backlash if they e.g. cut the number of PCIe lanes available from a mainstream CPU/chipset in order to conserve power.

Now THAT is a fascinating idea! A return to the 1366 days. That way the 1150 et seq systems could abandon us, leaving us with the 2011's.

 

[OCGuy]

The best thing that could happen would be for 8-core to take the place of current 6-core, 6 to take the place of 4, etc.

A 6-core Haswell or Haswell E with early DDR4 would be fun to mess around with.

 

[Pheesh]

ES samples are pretty much universally clocked lower than final production, so I would not read too much into the 3ghz base clock. It will be higher

 

[Fjodor2001]

Or we could wait for Broadwell-E in 2015. 🙂

 

[stockwiz]

hmm... might just upgrade from my 2600K build depending on the price of the RAM.. the old rig would trickle down to my mother and become her main rig, replacing her Q6600 rig which was my old rig, moving that rig into her living room and it becomes her HTPC. My sister gets the current HTPC rig which I believe is an AMD Opteron... I hardly remember anything about that thing.

I might rethink this because of no sata express or USB 3.1 in X99... will see what the prices end up being. If DDR 4 is the only new thing brought to the table then I may pass.

 

[IntelUser2000]

ES samples are pretty much universally clocked lower than final production, so I would not read too much into the 3ghz base clock. It will be higher

The picture on the last page shows that its 3GHz. And its even comparing against a "3.7GHz 4C", meaning the base clock might be even lower, since 3.7GHz is a Turbo for 4770K chips.

They are not saying its an "ES" sample, but on a legitimate slide saying "we're so awesome since we have 8 core Haswell". That puts no doubt on the clock.

 

[FaceToKeyboard]

Hmm, wonder why they're speeding up the release date.

Not that I'm not for an earlier release date - Intel will probably shift the industry in general a quarter ahead of schedule because it.

 

[mikk]

The news from kitguru is written by Anton Shilov so it's most likely nonsense. Intel itself told yesterday H2 2014 for Haswell-E, probably Q3.

 

[norseamd]

Same process + AVX2 = lots of heat.

thought they were introducing more instruction sets because of heat? that the heat and dark silicon meant that general purpose processing was the same or worse than dedicating processor space to specific instruction sets?

 

[Makaveli]

I will definitely be following this release in H2 2014 closely.... looks like this maybe a January 2015 upgrade for me.

 

[Headfoot]

They could theoretically go low base clock, high turbo specifically as part of their enthusiast marketing push.

If you cant increase the top overclock, lower the base value so the percentages still look impressive (50% overclocks...)

 

[Rebel44]

They could theoretically go low base clock, high turbo specifically as part of their enthusiast marketing push.

If you cant increase the top overclock, lower the base value so the percentages still look impressive (50% overclocks...)

But they also cant go so low that 6core (or 8core) CPU has no (or small) benefit compared to 4core CPU - most people will buy it only if they can justify spending that money by getting significant increase in available performance.

 

[Techhog]

The picture on the last page shows that its 3GHz. And its even comparing against a "3.7GHz 4C", meaning the base clock might be even lower, since 3.7GHz is a Turbo for 4770K chips.

They are not saying its an "ES" sample, but on a legitimate slide saying "we're so awesome since we have 8 core Haswell". That puts no doubt on the clock.

You need to relax a bit. It's extremely unlikely that they'd bother with a sub-3GHz enthusiast CPU. So much panicking over this when everybody who buys it is going to overclock it anyway...