Haswell-E might launch Q2

[biostud]

http://www.kitguru.net/components/c...-core-i7-extreme-haswell-e-5000-series-to-q2/

 

[OCGuy]

Damn I would love to have a ES to play around with!

Judging by how Intel works with pricing, this will not actually push down IB-E brackets. I think this (Octocore) will fill the slot once held by the QX9770, @ $1499.

 

[cytg111]

But at a measly 3Ghz clock? Hope thats the octo then

 

[Kippa]

I was worried that the 8 core might only be 3Ghz. My old rig died and I got a new one being the 6 core 4930K running at 3.4Ghz. Part of me was hoping to see if I could last until the 8 core Haswell came out, but I am glad that I got the 4930K if the rumours are true that the Haswell 8 core is running at 3Ghz. I was wondering if they might deliberately mute the Haswell 8 core speeds as not to cut into sales of the Xeon servers.

 

[UaVaj]

for gaming. needs 5ghz+.

 

[Grooveriding]

ES samples are generally clocked lower than release chips. I want the octocore. Will have to check release reviews to make sure it's not overclocking significantly lower than the six core. Hopefully it is just a matter of of settling for higher power consumption and temps to get a good 4.6+ out of it. Easily handled by water cooling.

Should not be a pig like mainstream Haswell because of the soldered IHS it's going to have. Probably will be quite the OC lottery though. Plenty of HW top out at 4.2-4.4, would be a bummer to get a HW-E stuck there.

Sooner the better, been almost three years for an upgrade from X79 to arrive.

 

[Rakehellion]

I'd rather have a Xeon.

 

[frozentundra123456]

More I think about it, the less excited I become. Not that I have the money to buy one in any case. I would almost like to see them do like AMD with the 9xxx series and bin top of the line quad or hex cores and clock the hell out of them, raising the tdp to whatever is necessary.

Seems like the 8 core will be a chip only useful for encoding or something. Cant imagine for gaming it would be faster than a higher clocked hex core.

Suppose the new platform will be nice though.

 

[IntelUser2000]

ES samples are generally clocked lower than release chips. I want the octocore.

It isn't the ES frequency though. One of the slides had 3GHz as well.

It's quite likely they justified that based on people overclocking the chip and keeping the base chip low just to get it out there.

 

[jpiniero]

I would almost like to see them do like AMD with the 9xxx series and bin top of the line quad or hex cores and clock the hell out of them, raising the tdp to whatever is necessary.

If Intel has chips that could pass their tests, at say 4.5 Ghz, they aren't selling that at retail.

It's quite likely they justified that based on people overclocking the chip and keeping the base chip low just to get it out there.

3 Ghz base sounds right given the TDP. They'll save the better ones for the W Xeons.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

I guess after all this time, people still don't really know about Turbo...

even if its just a 3GHz base clock, that's still just the base clock, the turbo could otherwise be identical to their flagship Ivy-E 8-core Xeon E5-1680 v2, which has turbo ratios of 4/4/4/4/5/7/8/9...ie anywhere from 3.4-3.9GHz depending on processor demand and core usage

not that any of that really even matters for the vast majority of adopters of the platform who will be overclocking the unlocked CPUs anyway

 

[Kippa]

Meh the Ivy Bridge cpu (xeon) can run 10 cores @ 3ghz. If they could do that then surely a Haswell 8 core should be able to run easly at 3.4ghz being less cores and next generation?

 

[podspi]

Meh the Ivy Bridge cpu (xeon) can run 10 cores @ 3ghz. If they could do that then surely a Haswell 8 core should be able to run easly at 3.4ghz being less cores and next generation?

Same process + AVX2 = lots of heat.

Plus, isn't 3ghz the base speed? I'm sure (?) turbo is higher.

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Same process + AVX2 = lots of heat.

Plus, isn't 3ghz the base speed? I'm sure (?) turbo is higher.

good, at least someone else has been paying attention to things since 2008 when Intel debuted Core i turbo

I guess most people sort of write it off on the desktop side of things because we've typically only seen a ~400MHz boost at most (such as 3.5GHz 4770K boosting to 3.9GHz), which can be pretty negligible, but intel has quite frequently gone as high as 900-1000MHz boost depending on the chip (mostly mobile and Xeon where loads can be a lot more dynamic and benefit far more from highly varied turbo)

I had pointed out earlier that Intel does have a Xeon 8-core @ 3GHz baseclock that can run at 3.4GHz across all 8 cores and up to 3.9GHz if the load is single threaded, certainly not unreasonable to expect something similar here...so even though a 3GHz base on an 8-core Haswell-E would be 500MHz less than the 4770K, if it can hit 3.4GHz across all the cores with Turbo and the same 3.9GHz on single threaded scenarios, its not going to lose much, if at all (as this isn't accounting for any advantage DDR4 might bring), in head to head scenarios at stock settings

and, again, not that it matters for the majority of X99 adopters who will just be overclocking anyway (to which the real question will be how high can these overclock and with what difficultly, ie what kind of cooling)

 

[DooKey]

I want my precious!

 

[cytg111]

.. and, again, not that it matters for the majority of X99 adopters who will just be overclocking anyway (to which the real question will be how high can these overclock and with what difficultly, ie what kind of cooling)

And I think that is implied for those of us commenting on the base clock, with a baseclock of 3GHz, how much headroom is to be expected. But I guess the other angle was more satisfactory.

 

[Homeles]

And I think that is implied for those of us commenting on the base clock, with a baseclock of 3GHz, how much headroom is to be expected. But I guess the other angle was more satisfactory.

Don't forget that Intel's clock speeds and turbo limits (and everyone else's, by the way) are bound by TDP and/or power draw. When you're dealing with many-core processors, the base clock is going to be lower as you add more cores.

It's not like Haswell-E or, say, a 16 core Interlagos are artificially handicapped and can't clock as high as a standard Haswell or Zambezi chip -- they're just clocked lower out of the factory because 8 full fledged cores or 8 modules draw a lot of power. With adequate cooling, that extra power isn't an issue.

Low stock clocks will only become more commonplace as core counts grow. With turbo boost though, the issue is (essentially) fully negated.

 

[MongGrel]

I'd rather have a Xeon.

I was going to comment on that one myself, I have a X5650 on the way to replace my L5639 in this rig soon, and they only start out base 2.8.

with that cache on there and things could be very nice.

I'd want unlocked or not bother myself if going new.

*edit* the more I look at it with 8 cores and all that cache and a few things it looks pretty tasty to play with.

 

[jpiniero]

I haven't seen any prices, but DDR4 is supposed to be super expensive. Then again, if you are dropping a thou on a CPU, 250 on a mobo, what's another 300 for the memory?

 

[dhazeghi]

Any thoughts whether this will narrow the gap in pricing between 4 and 6 core CPUs? Currently there's a difference of a factor of almost 2 between the 4930k and the 4820k.

 

[The|Hunter]

I think 3GHz 130W TDP is full 8 core (16thread) load. And by the looks of it it won't OC that much either, ok 1 - 1.2Ghz for sure, anything more will be luck:biggrin:

btw, 10Core @ 3ghz has 155W TDP.


Yeah in this slide, Intel claims 8core HSW-E @ 3GHz will be ~ 55% faster then 4core 4760K? @ 3.7GHz

 

[bunnyfubbles]

Any thoughts whether this will narrow the gap in pricing between 4 and 6 core CPUs? Currently there's a difference of a factor of almost 2 between the 4930k and the 4820k.

a couple thoughts here:

1. it doesn't look like we're going to see a 4-core consumer Haswell-E

2. if we see a 5820K as a 6-core, entry level CPU for the platform, and even if its only ~$400, we still have $200+ X99 motherboards and all new RAM to buy in DDR4 (likely over $100 if we decide to go with at least two sticks to stay bandwidth competitive with mainstream Haswell) to complete an upgrade.

so its looking like it will still be a couple hundred more to go 6-core, and that's inferring a $400 chip...

 

[BonzaiDuck]

a couple thoughts here:

1. it doesn't look like we're going to see a 4-core consumer Haswell-E

2. if we see a 5820K as a 6-core, entry level CPU for the platform, and even if its only ~$400, we still have $200+ X99 motherboards and all new RAM to buy in DDR4 (likely over $100 if we decide to go with at least two sticks to stay bandwidth competitive with mainstream Haswell) to complete an upgrade.

so its looking like it will still be a couple hundred more to go 6-core, and that's inferring a $400 chip...

About the RAM. I've seen this discussion go either way in the forums over the last few weeks. There's an even chance that the first gen 2 "2011" chipsets will be released compatible with DDR3.

I had seen this happen before, and remember that some gaming boards were released with slots for DDR(x) and DDR(x+1). Would not IT departments have a little pile of used RAM modules? If Haswell-E won't wait until 3rd/4th quarter this year, then how are they going to introduce boards all of a sudden with DDR4? You would also think that there's an inventory of DDR3 kits spread around the resellers.

Have there been any promotions for model-specific X99 boards extant in magazine, web or tech-news media?

It would save me some bucks if I wanted one of the six-core K chips, with a double kit of DDR3-1600 in my parts locker.

 

[zir_blazer]

About the RAM. I've seen this discussion go either way in the forums over the last few weeks. There's an even chance that the first gen 2 "2011" chipsets will be released compatible with DDR3.

I had seen this happen before, and remember that some gaming boards were released with slots for DDR(x) and DDR(x+1). Would not IT departments have a little pile of used RAM modules? If Haswell-E won't wait until 3rd/4th quarter this year, then how are they going to introduce boards all of a sudden with DDR4? You would also think that there's an inventory of DDR3 kits spread around the resellers.

Chipset and RAM aren't related from the time that the Memory Controller got integrated to the Processor, that means AMD K8 and Intel Nehalem. Haswell-E will have only DDR4 support - unless it is a sort of hybrid like AMD did with Deneb, and I don't recall any mention of Haswell-E supporting DDR3 too. A different Chipset can't change that.

 

[Homeles]

Chipset and RAM aren't related from the time that the Memory Controller got integrated to the Processor, that means AMD K8 and Intel Nehalem. Haswell-E will have only DDR4 support - unless it is a sort of hybrid like AMD did with Deneb, and I don't recall any mention of Haswell-E supporting DDR3 too. A different Chipset can't change that.

It's also further complicated due to DIMM pin counts being different. DDR2 and DDR3 DIMMs had the same number of pins (240).