Haswell C2 Stepping in July, Mass Adoption Predicted by Mid-August

[aaksheytalwar]

no, but this piece of news makes it sound like the board will be available only 2 months after the CPUs are available...

Why would anybody buy the CPUs when they can't be used for two months?

 

[Lonbjerg]

Why would they release the C1 chipset at all knowing it has issues? Actually, the better question is probably, would you buy one?

Number of USB3 units owned: 0

Would I buy C1: Yes, without a doubt.

Hint:
To most people...USB3 sleep issues really dosn't matter.

 

[TY-1]

Wow, that's almost another year until C2 stepping.. hmm

It's almost a year for me, dude

Do you operate on Dog Years or something?

 

[VirtualLarry]

Number of USB3 units owned: 0

Would I buy C1: Yes, without a doubt.

Hint:
To most people...USB3 sleep issues really dosn't matter.

Hint: To most readers, you are just a pro-Intel troll.

Edit: I apologize for my above posting. I guess I just get upset when I read things like that, because I consider this to be a serious issue.

If someone posted about poison in your <favorite soft drink>, would you post "Hey, I love <favorite soft drink>. I'd still drink it with poison in it!"? That's the way I see it, I guess.

 

[Idontcare]

Message not needed.

 

[386user]

i'll probably still get one

dont care about sleep and vishera is quite far away still

 

[blackened23]

This isn't nearly as bad as P67 issue though: A subset of USB3 devices don't wake from sleep vs. random data corruption on any SATA drives. As far as PCI-E 3 support, I'd blame that a little more on the vendors pushing 'features' on their products rather than ensuring support.

You know, USB 3.0 devices not waking from sleep would be incredibly annoying. I'm rather surprised that intel would not just take the hit in terms of financial damage and just start with the fixed product instead of releasing a bugged C1 stepping.

Why would they do this? It's just going to make the PC industry stagnate further when a random consumer buys a Dell ultrabook, and then finds that some of their USB 3.0 devices don't work after sleep. And then obviously Dell will get the blame because the average user doesn't keep up with tech news. I'm fairly certain that Apple won't release any products based on the bugged chipset, i'm hoping that PC makers follow suit. There is no reason to release this (C1 stepping) in the first place. Profit be damned. This will be incredibly bad for the entire industry , IMO.

I guess i'll count myself among those who will wait for a revised chipset before buying Haswell.

 

[blackened23]

Intel handled the the situation with defective Sandy Bridge chipsets much better. Maybe it was because only a certain family was affected that time, this time it would cost them a lot more to throw away all the chipsets and start afresh.

In my opinion, they should do just that. Take the financial hit and NOT release the bugged C1 stepping. For power users like us it's not a huge deal, although in my case it would be very annoying because I use several USB 3.0 devices. I suppose I can live with it, but the effect on the average consumer cannot be understated. The average consumer who buys an ultrabook will be far less forgiving. That is why, in my opinion, intel should just start with a fixed product even if it costs them a lot of money. They can certainly afford it.

I was very much looking forward to Haswell but I have mixed feelings about the C1 stepping. I feel that intel isn't doing the proper course of action here. Anyway, I'll probably wait for the C2 stepping before upgrading, personally.

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

Will definitely be buying two Haswell setups. Have never used sleep on the desktop and don't really have any USB3.0 devices.

 

[Phynaz]

in my case it would be very annoying because I use several USB 3.0 devices.

The chance that you are using an affected device is very slim. It's just a couple of models of thumb drives from what I understand.

 

[blackened23]

The chance that you are using an affected device is very slim. It's just a couple of models of thumb drives from what I understand.

Oh, I see. Is there a list of potentially affected devices?

 

[Lonbjerg]

Hint: To most readers, you are just a pro-Intel troll.

Edit: I apologize for my above posting. I guess I just get upset when I read things like that, because I consider this to be a serious issue.

If someone posted about poison in your <favorite soft drink>, would you post "Hey, I love <favorite soft drink>. I'd still drink it with poison in it!"? That's the way I see it, I guess.

Reported

 

[CHADBOGA]

Number of USB3 units owned: 0

Would I buy C1: Yes, without a doubt.

Hint:
To most people...USB3 sleep issues really dosn't matter.

There is no way I would buy a C1 based Haswell setup, when C2 is so close to coming out.

 

[Arkaign]

To many people, I think the idea of the product having a problem is worse than the actual problem. I never use sleep mode personally, so I don't care. I will probably skip Haswell though, or at least wait until my GPU would be bottlenecked by my current 5Ghz SB.

 

[ShintaiDK]

I think some people would panic if they saw the entire CPU+Chipset errata lists from AMD and Intel.

Yet their PCs in daily life works wihout a glitch.

 

[Lonbjerg]

I think some people would panic if they saw the entire CPU+Chipset errata lists from AMD and Intel.

Yet their PCs in daily life works wihout a glitch.

Well. this is no techincal debate about the specifics of the errata...it's just a failed attempt at pointing the finger at Intel....even before the products is released.

Someone is hoping to give the finger back for the TLB bug...and fails hard at it

 

[Erva]

So, will the average consumer be able to buy desktop Haswells + compatible mobos by June?

 

[Fjodor2001]

If I'm gonna have to wait until mid-August, I might as well wait one more month until mid-September when the Intel IDF takes place and Broadwell will be presented to see if it's worth waiting for.

 

[ShintaiDK]

So, will the average consumer be able to buy desktop Haswells + compatible mobos by June?

Yes, maybe even end of may. Since some shops tends to pull the trigegr early.

 

[nitromullet]

Number of USB3 units owned: 0

Would I buy C1: Yes, without a doubt.

Hint:
To most people...USB3 sleep issues really dosn't matter.

Will definitely be buying two Haswell setups. Have never used sleep on the desktop and don't really have any USB3.0 devices.

I will most likely also be picking up a Haswell rig, I don't own any USB 3.0 devices, but I still won't buy the C1 stepping. My rationale is that I've owned my current Nahalem rig for longer then any other rig before, and I've used it for things that I never predicted I would when I bought it. Considering the rate that I upgrade has slowed down a lot, I've become more interested in "future proofing" so buying stuff with the least bugs out of the gate is of interest to me.

To many people, I think the idea of the product having a problem is worse than the actual problem.

Absolutely, but this also tends to hurt your resale value, which I consider as well when make purchases.

 

[Pheesh]

I haven't seen anywhere that the issue is that some USB3 devices would not wakeup from sleep. The issue described is that on a few USB3 devices where applications/files were open at the time of sleep would need to re-open the file/application after returning from sleep. Not that the device would not be detected upon wake.

Seems very minor for desktop.

 

[Rvenger]

For a company with a huge R&D budget stuff like this should be mitigated before release.

I can't believe this errata went this far until it was caught. Errata in P67 Sata II controller, then the 24fps video playback bug, now this.


Sadly, I will probably still buy it though.

 

[Lonbjerg]

For a company with a huge R&D budget stuff like this should be mitigated before release.

I can't believe this errata went this far until it was caught. Errata in P67 Sata II controller, then the 24fps video playback bug, now this.


Sadly, I will probably still buy it though.

For the fun of it...could you please list the affected USB3 peripherals that have issues? :sneaky:

ALL of them please ^^

.oO(This will get funny fast :biggrin

 

[WhoBeDaPlaya]

For a company with a huge R&D budget stuff like this should be mitigated before release.

I can't believe this errata went this far until it was caught. Errata in P67 Sata II controller, then the 24fps video playback bug, now this.

Sadly, I will probably still buy it though.

Happens all the time. Hey, it helps to keep me employed. Someone has to do those ECO place-and-route runs

 

[Idontcare]

Really does sound like a nuisance bug. Not the kind of thing that I'd personally lose sleep over, but I suppose some folks will be negatively impacted by it so it is good Intel plans to fix it in a respin.

USB3 itself has been out for ages though, I am surprised they didn't catch this sooner given how long it has taken them to come out with their native USB3 chipset in the first place.